Greenland Blowing Away All Records For Ice Growth

Greenland’s surface has been gaining about 3.5 billion tons of ice per day since the first of September. This is about 50% above normal.

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Greenland Ice Sheet Surface Mass Budget: DMI

This is occurring just as global land temperatures are cooling at a record rate.

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www.woodfortrees.org/data/rss-land/

Meanwhile government funded experts fraudsters are telling the press that Greenland is melting at catastrophic speed.

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Alert! Greenland’s Ice Now Melting At Catastrophic Speed : News : Nature World News

One of the top priorities of the Trump administration should be to root those responsible for this fraud out of government.

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100 Responses to Greenland Blowing Away All Records For Ice Growth

  1. Latitude says:

    Sounds like lake effect snow to me……

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  3. wert says:

    Greenland Blowing Away All Records For Ice Growth

    Oh, another proof of extreme weather. This is caused by AGW. /sarc.

    Anyway, SMB being positive hardly solves the question of total mass balance including calving. As far as I know, even under the worst and most unrealistic RCP 8.5 scenario, Greenland ice sheet takes at least hundreds of years to melt.

    Basically day-to-day or year-to-year following “new melt records” is rather moot. And now we have, not a melt record but an unmelt record.

    • wert says:

      oops. in moderation. sorry for the misshit.

    • AZ1971 says:

      This is caused by AGW.

      Well, possibly—but not as the “experts” predict.

      I’ve been looking at how long-term warming/cooling cycles oscillate and would like to see more research into how warming switches over into cooling, i.e. the Vostok ice core record. It stands to reason that as the planet warms, the Hadley cell turnover moves farther north and with it, an increase in associated atmospheric humidity. Cold outbreaks combined with increased precipitation events certainly will lead to a rebuilding of higher latitude ice fields and if sufficiently large over a prolonged period of time, the increase in high latitude albedo would further decrease solar insolation. Wash, rinse, repeat, new ice age.

      Not coincidentally, Robert over at iceagenow.info theorizes the same mechanism. But it has nothing to do with our thirst for fossil fuels, that’s for sure.

      • wert says:

        That could be worse. I mean, some AGW is OK, but NGW with a large, negative lagged feedback is much worse for our children.

        No sarc this time.

    • Joe says:

      wert, I get what you’re saying but I think Tony is countering the alarmist articles where they grossly exaggerate Greenland ice melt in a short period. That’s all.

  4. Steve Fraser says:

    I was looking at this myself today, and cross-correlated with the average. Our current SMB ( ~250 GT) roughly matches the late December accumulation, and that is is inspiring!

  5. Mi, MI, MI, says:

    Paging Jim Hunt, will Jim Hunt please go to the white courtesy phone. Paging Jim Hunt.

  6. Mddwave says:

    Unless I can’t interpret the woodfortrees link,The link with the data doesn’t match the RSS graph

    • AndyG55 says:

      It does, you just have to read the title of the graph.

      It is 8 months since the peak of the El Nino so TH is looking at all 8 month changes in the RSS record.

      Here is the similar graph for UAH land.

      As you can see there is that similar very big change

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  8. William Partridge says:

    well the little ice age has started as predicted by the astrophysicists.right on schedule.the sun not co2 governs climate

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  10. ralf ellis says:

    .
    While the global temperature may be cooling, it has been some 18 oc warmer than usual in the Arctic over the last months. (The cold has all moved into Sibera, which is about 18 oc below normal).

    I am presuming that this warmer airmass over the Arctic can hold more moisture, and so is dumping shed-loads of snow on Greenland (absolute temperatures are still -10 oc, even with the warm temps.)

    Ralph

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  17. Jack Dale says:

    You have the read the text associated with the dmi.dk graph.

    “Over the year, it snows more than it melts, but calving of icebergs also adds to the total mass budget of the ice sheet. Satellite observations over the last decade show that the ice sheet is not in balance. The calving loss is greater than the gain from surface mass balance, and Greenland is losing mass at about 200 Gt/yr.”

    http://beta.dmi.dk/en/groenland/maalinger/greenland-ice-sheet-surface-mass-budget/

    Accumulation – (Melt + Caving) = 200 Gt mass loss

  18. Jack Dale says:

    Gail

    A search on your claim:

    “We HAVE read the DMI site.
    In August 2015 DMI had:
    “Greenland Accumulates a Massive 200 Gigatonne of Snow and Ice in 2015″”

    reveals exactly one hit.

    “1 result (0.63 seconds)
    Search Results
    #TalkAboutIt: Climate change sceptics versus the scientists (correcting …
    joannenova.com.au/…/talkaboutit-climate-change-sceptics-versus-the-scientists-correct…
    Aug 25, 2015 – … 2015 at 8:59 am. A headline you will not see in popular press: “Greenland Accumulates a Massive 200 Gigatonne of Snow and Ice in 2015″.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Jack, if you are not aware of Winston Smith’s job. I suggest you read 1984.

      We see changes WITHOUT notation all the time. One of the reasons we now take screen shots.

      • Jack Dale says:

        Let’s see your screenshots, please.

      • Jack Dale says:

        Gail – are you Winston Smith? Waiting on screenshots.

      • Jack Dale says:

        Still waiting for screenshots.

        • AndyG55 says:

          Still waiting for a graph that shows this graph is incorrect for Greenland Total Ice Mass.

          If you haven’t got the ability to produce one, you really should stop making a fool of yourself.

          • Jack Dale says:

            Still waiting for the verification of the data in that “graph”.

            Until that is done I can only assume that it is totally unmitigated cow dung.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Still waiting for you to show where it is incorrect.

            Can you .. or NOT.!

            Very pathetic of you..

            The data is everywhere, you even keep pointing to some of it.

            You just have to be intelligent enough to figure out how to use it.

            Waiting… waiting…

  19. Jack Dale says:

    pmc47025 Says

    “Greenland has been losing ice since the LIA”

    You had better tell Tony that. His headline says otherwise.

    I have not said anything about the Antarctic. But Greenland ice sheet losses far outweigh Antarctic ice sheet gains.

    https://nsidc.org/sites/nsidc.org/files/images/cryosphere/sotc/shepherd2012merge.png

    • pmc47025 says:

      The headline looks accurate to me. Your link to figure 1 shows Greenland and Antarctic ice “loss”. According to NASA, the Antarctic part of figure 1 is wrong, doesn’t give me much confidence in the Greenland chart.

      • Jack Dale says:

        Tony forgot to account for calving and ocean melt.

        • AndyG55 says:

          Data.. do you have any.. or NOT. !!

          • Jack Dale says:

            The satellite data account for ocean melt and caving.

            The SBM is based on modelling and odes not do so.

            Read this from the good folks at DMI

            https://www.carbonbrief.org/guest-post-the-state-of-the-greenland-ice-sheet-in-2015

          • AndyG55 says:

            carbon briefs.. lol

            Get a serious reference.

            GRACE is gravity based and was proven monumentally WRONG over Antarctica.

          • Jack Dale says:

            DMI is using ESA data from CryoSat, not GRACE.

            http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Observing_the_Earth/CryoSat/CryoSat_reveals_recent_Greenland_ice_loss

            Did you bother to read the carbon brief interview with the folks from DMI?

            They explain that the SMB graph used by Tony above is based on modelling using a very few number of stations and does not account for calving and ocean melt.

          • Jack Dale says:

            The Heartland / CATO / Heritage fossil fuel scam just got a kick start.

          • pmc47025 says:

            Jack,
            I don’t think (?) anybody is arguing the posted headline and chart include ocean melt and calving. DMI has measured Greenland SMB the same way (hopefully) for several years running, and, this year, Greenland is gaining ice faster than any other charted year. How is that possible with CO2 at incredibly high (0.04% vs 0.028%) levels?

            Any evidence showing the 2000s melt is more, uh, severe than previous melt cycles?

          • AndyG55 says:

            Also waiting for Jack Ass to divest his life from all thing fossil fuel.

            Maybe he should stop eating all food with carbon in them, as well.

            Fossil fuels built the world’s developed countries, wind and solar are environmentally and economicall destroying them

            But in the USA at least the renewables anti-CO2 scam IS OVER. :-)

            Sanity has prevailed.

          • AndyG55 says:

            If I wanted propaganda pap, I would read sewers like carbonbreifs.

            I want facts, like the facts as shown on the Greenland Total Ice Mass graph…

            which, incidentally, you have proven you cannot contradict… because you aren’t even bright enough to figure out what it means.

            Homer Simpson has nothing on Jack Ass when it comes to DUMB. !!

      • Jack Dale says:

        DMI says:

        ” The calving loss is greater than the gain from surface mass balance, and Greenland is losing mass at about 200 Gt/yr.”

        http://beta.dmi.dk/en/groenland/maalinger/greenland-ice-sheet-surface-mass-budget/

        Meanwhile you claim:

        “Greenland is gaining ice faster than any other charted year.”

        • AndyG55 says:

          ““Greenland is gaining ice faster than any other charted year.””

          Which is TOTALLY CORRECT, it is.

          Do you have data for this year that shows calving and melt loss.

          Again , I await a graph/data for Greenland Total Ice Mass that shows my graph is incorrect.

          Either produce one, or DON’T, and be shown a fool.

          • Jack Dale says:

            Cow dung until data verification is provided.

          • AndyG55 says:

            So you admit you can’t actually do the maths needed to VERIFY my graph.

            So hilarious..

            You will forever be marked as a mathematically inept fool.

            Congratulations. :-)

          • AndyG55 says:

            You are so DUMB that you don’t even realise what the graph is telling you.

            So sad.. so pathetically ignorant. :-)

            Waiting for you to correct my graph.. or keep running away.

        • pmc47025 says:

          Look at the chart and compare this year with previous years. Are you a moron or a bot (or both)?

      • Jack Dale says:

        Given that it doesn’t include ice losses by calving icebergs and ocean melting, the surface mass budget (SMB) is usually strongly positive at the end of the year. 2015 was no exception – gaining around 220bn tonnes of new ice – but this is below the average of about 290bn tonnes. In the record year in 2012, the surface mass balance at the end of the year was approximately zero.

        The surface mass balance (SMB) isn’t the full story, of course. To calculate the total mass balance, we will need to wait for the satellite results to gauge how much ice has been lost through calving icebergs and ocean melt.

        Satellite observations over the past decade show that the calving loss is greater than the gain from surface mass balance – and Greenland is losing mass at about 250bn tonnes per year.

        • AndyG55 says:

          Here is a graph of the Greenland Total Ice Mass since 1900..

          You have yet to provide a corrected graph if you think it is wrong.

          Keep avoiding Jack Ass.

    • pmc47025 says:

      Any comment on why glaciers retreated faster in the 1930s than the 2000s? Maybe the peak melts are part of a multi-decade cycle (hint hint) and CO2 actually inhibited the melting in the 2000s – seems at least as plausible as some of the alarmist BS I’ve read.

      • pmc47025 says:

        Clarification:
        Any comment on why [Greenland] glaciers retreated faster in the 1930s

        • Jack Dale says:

          North America did have regional hot spell in the 1930’s. The rest of the earth did not.

          • AndyG55 says:

            The whole Northern hemisphere did. Why are you continuing to post mis-information.

            THE SCAM IS OVER..

            …. you don’t need to do it any more.

          • pmc47025 says:

            It looks like the dbunny pdf I linked has a graph labeled “global temperature”, looks more like US temperatures (NH) when comparing to other web sources.

          • Gail Combs says:

            Jack Dale says:
            “North America did have regional hot spell in the 1930’s. The rest of the earth did not.”
            Bovine Feces!

            The ClimAstrologists LIE by omission!

            Forgotten: Historic hot temperatures recorded with detail and care in Adelaide [Australia]

            …Who knew that one of the most meticulous and detailed temperature records in the world from the 1800′s comes from Adelaide, largely thanks to Sir Charles Todd. The West Terrace site in Adelaide was one of the best in the world at the time, and provides accurate historic temperatures from “Australia’s first permanent weather bureau at Adelaide in 1856″. (Rainfall records even appear to go as far back as 1839.) Lance Pidgeon went delving into the National Archives and was surprised at what he found….

            one of the hottest temperatures recorded in Australia were recorded in 1828, and raging heatwaves with temperatures over 50C occurred in the 1800s. In 1896 a monster heatwave across the nation killed hundreds, and people were even evacuated on emergency trains…

            the Adelaide record could be one of the longest in the world. Strangely, no one seems too interested. If these old records showed Adelaide was way cooler in the 1860′s, do we suppose an eager PhD student would not have jumped at the chance to splice historic old and new records into a long alarming graph and a popular thesis? The question begs…

            How good is this old data?

            Temperatures were recorded concurrently at Adelaide via multiple different methods using many different types of stands and equipment. Even the temperature at various depths under the ground was recorded but the most basic of these fantastic old records does not show on the BOM raw temperature data record here before 1887.

            “The temperature of the soil is also ascertained by mercurial thermometers, whose bulbs are respectively 8, 5, and 3 feet beneath the surface.”

            …The page below gives a clue to the detail and care these measurements were taken with. It is from the book “Meteorological observations made at the Adelaide observatory 1896″….

            Note the spike in the Adelaide record for the 1930-40s

  20. Jack Dale says:

    I am invoking Mark Twain’s axiom

    http://tinyurl.com/c7zej7q

    • AndyG55 says:

      We don’t like having to argue with stupid people, but you keep coming here.

      But you will not wear us down.

      Have you figured out any correction to this graph yet ???

      Or are you too stupid??

      • Colorado Wellington says:

        People who say things like “I am invoking Mark Twain’s axiom” are usually insufferable dumb pricks. The rest of us don’t “invoke an axiom” when we quote someone’s humorous insight.

        And through all his furious commenting he didn’t show a single sign that he understood your graph, did he? Or did I miss it?

        • AndyG55 says:

          Nope.. he remains wilfully UNAWARE.

          Quite bizarre really, Its not as if enough hints weren’t given.

          Oh well, you can lead an alarmista to fact…

          … but you can’t make it comprehend.

    • AndyG55 says:

      While you are at it, you can explain this graph, which looks at the longer history of Greenland ice area, and explain how it supports the AGW warming scam.

    • AndyG55 says:

      Also the actual COOLING of Greenland temperature from 1930 to 1990

    • AndyG55 says:

      And the Greenland temperatures over the Holocene, which clearly show we are in a cold period.

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