Mark Serreze Says The Arctic Is Melting At -15C

Mark Serreze of NSIDC is on the record as saying the Arctic has been rapidly losing ice since September 21, at temperatures far below the freezing point of water.

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Arctic Undergoing Rapid Ice Melt That Could Speed Global Warming

Actual data shows that the amount of sea ice in the Arctic is just below all recent years, and has more than doubled since September 21.

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Ocean and Ice Services | Danmarks Meteorologiske Institut

Temperatures in the Arctic have been below freezing for three months, and are currently about -15C.

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The Arctic is full of ice, and its thickness is very close to normal.

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Mark has a long history of lying about the Arctic in exchange for NASA funding, going back for at least a decade.

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One of Mark’s most dishonest tricks is to start his sea ice graphs right at the peak of the satellite era in 1979, and ignore IPCC/NOAA satellite data which shows that there was almost two million km² less ice in 1974. By doing this, he turns a cyclical Arctic trend into a linear one – one of the most fraudulent things a scientist can do.

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The Arctic climate is cyclical, and was very warm in the 1940’s after ten “enormous” degrees of warming.

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31 May 1947 – ARCTIC CLIMATE’S ALARMING CHANGE – Trove

This fact wrecks the global warming scam being perpetrated by Mark Serreze of NSIDC and Gavin Schmidt at NASA, so they not only ignore inconvenient data, but they also alter it.

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Ice gain in Greenland has been the fastest on record since September, but government climate scientists never let facts get in the way of a good scam!

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Greenland Ice Sheet Surface Mass Budget: DMI

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58 Responses to Mark Serreze Says The Arctic Is Melting At -15C

  1. Latitude says:

    I wish we could get arctic water temps….that has more to do with air temp and ice than anything
    I watched the Atlantic current push a big burp of warm water into the NWP by following the anomaly charts…that has more to do with the ice right now

  2. AndyG55 says:

    Even Climate Reanalyzer shows the Arctic well below freezing.

    • AndyG55 says:

      ps, and I don’t think I’d like to be in northern Russia at the moment.

    • Latitude says:

      Thank you for turning me on to the Climate Reanalyzer BTW!

      ok, so using that thing…..look at SST and SSTA….they are both warmer than usual

      ….which I think makes my point

      Air temps are way below freezing..but that’s a lot of very deep water up there…it’s going to take a long time for air temps to change it…either way

      Air does not have as much effect on melting either…it’s 90% under water

      I still think the reason it’s not freezing is that big burp of warm water from the AMO

      • AndyG55 says:

        Just remember that it is a “re-analysis”, not real data…
        … with all the modelling etc that entails.

        Only worth using to give a general idea what is happening.

        Always compare to what other sources are saying and showing.

  3. Steve Case says:

    I truly believe that the blow dried media doesn’t know what the melting temperature of ice is ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      Given who goes into journalism they certainly don’t understand basic physics but we shouldn’t underestimate their political savvy and sophistication. They know that a man as powerful as Putin who can control the American electorate would not allow his own waters to freeze at a measly -15˚C.

  4. Nick Schroeder, BSME, PE says:

    The animated graph appears to have absolute temps instead of the usual anomalies.

  5. Kyle_Fouro says:

    Any comment on the “old ice” graphic that’s been making the rounds? I assume this “old ice” originates near the peak you referred to when the satellite era began?

  6. Gail Combs says:

    IIRC from my long ago Geo classes, doesn’t warm water (evaporation) plus cold air equal lots of snow?

    Isn’t glaciation caused by cool summers with less melt plus relatively warm winters causing lots and lots of snow?

    When it is really really cold you get polar deserts like Antarctic. So what you want for glaciation is lots of moisture in the air plus cold like you get with the meandering meridional jet stream.

    We saw that a few years ago when NYC and Buffalo NY got dumped on.

  7. TeaPartyGeezer says:

    It seems that every time one of the guys sees a squiggly line, they cry ‘the arctic is melting, the arctic is melting!’

    Reminds me of the fairy tale. Or a couple of them.

    • AndyG55 says:

      Its not actually melting, its just that two patches of warm water, one in the Bering Strait, and one in the Kara Sea / Svalbard region, combined with a less cold than usual air temp over the whole Arctic, has been slowing down the re-freeze.

      But those warm ocean patches are dissipating, and the warm air mass has split. The extreme cold that was trapped over Northern Russia is easing northwards towards the Arctic.

      When it reaches there, the re-freeze will be very rapid !

      Not saying it will, but it would not surprise me if the Arctic sea ice area peaks higher than it has in the last several seasons.

  8. BruceC says:

    Bugger, so that’s what my problem is … my freezer is set at -13C

  9. charles nelson says:

    Major cooling event underway.
    No sunlight/low sunlight in Arctic means only source of warmth, moist incoming air.
    Moist incoming air stream cools to -15˚C…result…snow…ice.
    Typical Warmists, totally misrepresenting/inverting this data to confuse the scientifically illiterate!

    • AndyG55 says:

      Moist incoming air stream cools to -15˚C…result…snow…ice.

      Hence the rapid SMB increase, particularly on south east Greenland.

  10. griff says:

    The DMI extent graph is not showing as pronounced a decline/deficit in the extent for this time of year as the other extent charts…

    Clearly the ice has melted back on the Atlantic side, showing an actual extent decrease at one point – unheard of in the satellite record – it retreated from Franz Josef land entirely at one point – and if below freezing the air temps have still been showing an unprecedented 36 degree F anomaly as in your chart

    Take a look at this:
    https://seaice.uni-bremen.de/amsr2/extent_n_running_mean_amsr2_previous.png

    The sea ice is thinner than in previous years and most of the thicker ice is queuing up to go out through the Fram Strait.

    Here’s a more accurate summation of this clearly unusual and concerning situation:
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-arctic-is-seriously-weird-right-now/

    • Latitude says:

      Atlantic current …AMO….glob of warm water in the NWP

      …too much water for air temps to affect it this fast

      • Colorado Wellington says:

        Progressive alarmists only like to talk about q = m c ΔT when it suits them, don’t they?

        And look at these two global warming “educators” performing what they think is a heat capacity experiment.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyPLusD-tyM

        • Jason Calley says:

          That video totally conflates heat capacity and thermal conductivity. I’ll grade it about 2 on a scale of 1 to 10.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            Hey Jason!

            I’ve heard a middle schooler pointing it out about a similar demonstration some years ago.

            I think 2 out of 10 is too generous but, well, in the spirit of the season … :)

        • AndyG55 says:

          Just remember,

          Josh Willis is the guy who dumped some of the ARGO data…

          … because it showed cooling !!

        • griff says:

          and skeptics like to change the subject…

          Is there is is there not lower extent now thanin the 1940s?

          Is the extent (and volume) trend not down?

          Has it or has it not recovered beyond the 2007 level?

          Have we ever seen a decade of free passage through the NW passage?

          Have we seen such a low Novemebr ice extent?

          How often have we seen a 36F Novemebr temp anomaly?

          • AndyG55 says:

            Yes, the level of sea ice has recovered from the EXTREMES of the LIA and 1979.

            It is back down at least some small way to the often ZERO summer sea ice of the first 3/4 of the Holocene.

            Russia and most people living up there would really benefit from a further drop in sea ice, allowing unassisted commerce for more than just a tiny part of the year.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Hey Lat, look at where that north Russia cold anomaly has moved to.

        Bit further and the Kara sea will start to freeze rapidly.

        • Latitude says:

          It’s heading home!…I’m watching the warmer water flushing out of the NWP right now….it’s pulling really cold water behind it

        • AndyG55 says:

          The SST anomaly shows a massive cold patch forming in the North Pacific.

          Could be a rather cold winter in the USA this year.

      • griff says:

        I see – and why exactly are those in this cycle producing extent figures much lower than the previous cycle, over a decade, with the trend still down?

        The answer of course is that warming is adding to melt from current/AMO..

        why is there a glob of warm water in the NWP in this cycle when there has not been one in some centuries (I don’t think there is, btw)

        • Latitude says:

          LOL…so now you’ve changed your story to the AMO

          Griff, how does someone discover and name something that’s not there?

        • Latitude says:

          The answer of course is that warming is adding to melt from current/AMO..
          ===
          Griff, it’s the AMO creating the warming

        • AndyG55 says:

          “and why exactly are those in this cycle producing extent figures much lower than the previous cycle,”

          Last peak was 1940.. newspaper articles, Icelandic sea ice index, all show very low sea ice during that period.

          Before that we hade the tale end of the LIA, and yes, the AMO cycle is clearly visible then , too.

    • AndyG55 says:

      Climate Central.. roflmao…….. seriously, griff ??

      No wonder you come across and non-thinking brain-washed twerp all the time.. YOU ARE.

      Come the end of the year, the Arctic sea ice will be up there with all the other spaghetti.

      • griff says:

        and again… I take the links which point to the data – the observed data.

        you can argue with the links, but you have nothing to say about the actual observed data showing the reality on the ground (on the ice?).

        You take the most optimistic ice thickness chart, I notice below…

        what about the extent? what about the volume? What about the temp anomaly?

        • AndyG55 says:

          “what about the extent? what about the volume?

          What about them? They are still way above the first 3/4 of the

          “What about the temp anomaly?”

          A WEATHER event that has trapped the bitter cold in northern Russia. If they were switched the Russians would be extremely happy. Must be horrendously cold up there. Just how you like it.. off you go

          Walk the talk, bozo.. but you won’t will you.

          You will just stay in your inner-city latte driven green ghetto.

          I really hope that bitter cold in Siberia comes your way, you will be praying for some warming.

    • John Peter says:

      How can Scientific American or anyone else call “arctic is seriously weird” right now when they have no extensive comparisons to make. It might have been seriously weird thousands of times since it was originally formed. Our records count for nothing in geological time.

  11. AndyG55 says:

    “The sea ice is thinner than in previous years ”

    Make it up as you want, griff .. so easy to show the LIE.

    Maybe slightly less very thick ice, but the mid thickness is obviously well above previous years. and the pattern of development is very similar except, as stated above, in the Kara Sea and the Bering Strait region.

    Look how much mid level ice there is this year compared to 2014, or in any other year… especially in the Laptev Sea area.

    Its the refreeze that is slow this year , but that is starting to change, and come the end of the year, will be up with the other years in area, and probably above when volume is concerned.

  12. Jl says:

    Love the choice of words-“ice melt that could speed global warming.” Or, it could not.

  13. TA says:

    “Moist incoming air stream cools to -15˚C…result…snow…ice.

    Hence the rapid SMB increase, particularly on south east Greenland.”

    Lots of snow in the arctic in this El Nino year of 2016. It just so happens that the last record snowfall in the arctic took place in the El Nino year of 1998.

    I guess that extra heat generates lots of snow when it finally makes its way to the arctic on its way out into space.

  14. TA says:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3966512/Winter-really-coming-Siberian-snow-theory-predicts-early-brutal-cold-season-US.html

    Winter really IS coming: ‘Siberian snow theory’ predicts an early and brutal cold season for the US

    “Siberia is near record cold for this time of year, and snow cover is at around the highest level for this time of year since at least 1998.”

    end excerpt

    • griff says:

      Yes -cold displaced from the arctic where in same period there has been record warmth, up to 36F above normal…

      • AndyG55 says:

        Yes warm air, displaced from the Siberia area, to the Arctic,

        Its called WEATHER.. do try to learn the word, you brainless muppet.

        but the Arctic is now at -25ºC

        and the Arctic sea ice is climbing quickly , and should be up with the other spaghetti graphs in a week or so.

  15. John Peter says:

    Reference figure 7.20 above I posted it on WUWT under https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/11/29/study-lets-dumb-down-climate-science-by-making-data-accessible-to-non-experts/ and a Steve Fraser November 29, 2016 at 10:25 am kindly provided this interesting information re the origin of the graph
    “Other than the red annotations, it comes from Page 224 of the 1990 IPPC Report, working group I accessible here…
    https://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/far/wg_I/ipcc_far_wg_I_full_report.pdf
    The attribution to NOAA is present in the report, under the Southerrn Hemisphere chart.
    Have fun!
    As to.. Who in NOAA produced it? Chapter 7 was produced bysome of our well-loved favorites.
    C.K. FOLLAND, T.R. KARL, K.YA. VINNIKOV
    Contributors: J.K. Angell; P. Arkin; R.G. Barry; R. Bradley; D.L. Cadet; M. Chelliah; M. Coughlan; B. Dahlstrom; H.F. Diaz; H Flohn; C. Fu; P. Groisman; A. Gruber; S. Hastenrath; A. Henderson-Sellers; K. Higuchi; P.D. Jones; J. Knox; G. Kukla; S. Levitus; X. Lin; N. Nicholls; B.S. Nyenzi; J.S. Oguntoyinbo; G.B. Pant; D.E. Parker; B. Pittock; R. Reynolds; C.F. Ropelewski; CD. Schonwiese; B. Sevruk; A. Solow; K.E. Trenberth; P. Wadhams; W.C Wang; S. Woodruff; T. Yasunari; Z. Zeng; andX. Zhou.
    The text which describes the figure 7.20 is…
    ‘Especially importantly, satellite observations have been used to map sea-ice extent routinely since the early 1970s. The American Navy Joint Ice Center has produced weekly charts which have been digitised by NOAA. These data are summarized in Figure 7.20 which is based on analyses carried out on a 1° latitude x 2.5° longitude grid. Sea-ice is defined to be present when its concentration exceeds 10% (Ropelewski, 1983).’
    Enjoy!”
    Interesting that everybody’s friend Karl was involved.

  16. Greg Surfer/Snowboarder says:

    I, too, finally submitted an official complaint to New Zealand’s state radio broadcaster, RadioNZ, after listening to an interview with their regular ™climate scientist™ meteorologist Erick Brenstrum. His claims of a “mild” Arctic being “20˚C above average” ~ although it was -15˚C that day ~ and the planet’s “warmer than usual” sea surface temperatures might’ve convinced/fooled some. However, it only took a few moments’ searching to discover his taxpayer-subsidised PR was more a skip (slide?) down through Alice’s Wonderland of back-to-front theatre.

    Having just returned from a week in Australia, where I made an obligatory pilgrimage to Bells Beach, Victoria for a body-bash in the ocean (the Bass Strait), I can assure you the water was as cold as it is blue in NOAA’s SST map… brrrrrrr!

  17. Don says:

    Last time the Arctic was ice-free was ~10,000 years ago, and we had an ice age.

    • AndyG55 says:

      No, biodata clear shows that the Arctic was pretty much summer ice free for significant periods during the first 3/4, Holocene Optimum, of the current interglacial.

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