CNN and NASA claim that the amount of multi-year ice in the Arctic is decreasing and at a record low.
Old ice is vanishing – CNN.com
As always, they are lying. There is more multi-year ice now than there was 10 years ago.
Eight years ago, one of Canada’s top experts said that multi-year ice is “effectively gone.”
Multiyear Arctic ice is effectively gone: expert | Reuters
There would be a lot more multi-year ice now, but large winter like storms broke up the ice in the Beaufort Sea both of the last two summers.
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More drivel from Zeke https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-mail-sundays-astonishing-evidence-global-temperature-rise
Notice how the Whistleblower’s name or status at NOAA is not mentioned clear proof of bias.
I believe that GHCN-V4 is going to be based on Zeke-Mosher fake data.
Jim Hunt will verify the veracity of every word!! LOL
Ms. Griff will concur, because science. And progress.
Here is what Bill Illis says about at WUWT:
“So we move from ERSSTV2 to ERSSTV3 in 2009 and they adjusted the SST trend up by 0.3C. In V3 to V3b in 2012, adjustments of another 0.1C, The ERSSTV3b to ERSSTV4 in 2015 another +0.12C. That is 0.52C all together over just 6 years. And we don’t even really know what happened to the data in 2016 because noone knows where it comes from (some ships, ICOADs, where is the raw data).
How come none of that ever shows up in your charts Nick?”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/02/04/bombshell-noaa-whistleblower-says-karl-et-al-pausebuster-paper-was-hyped-broke-procedures/#comment-2417397
Mornin’ Timbo,
Sorry for the delay, but I’ve been a tad busy frying bigger fish than “Steve”/Tony and/or your good self. By way of just one example:
https://twitter.com/jim_hunt/status/829075377834356736
Only thing fried is your brain..
… fried by your baseless, slime-ridden, oozing ego.
Your twitter feed is where your SEWER of a con-web site leaks out, isn’t it. Too much BS to maintain in one place.
As ever there’s going to be massive resistance to every new piece that undermines AGW. Their livelihoods and reputations depend on it.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/feb/05/mail-on-sunday-launches-the-first-salvo-in-the-latest-war-against-climate-scientists
shows very clearly how Rose has misrepresented the data here and his dofgy track record of inaccuracy…
THE GROINIAD???
Oh, come on, Gail. Ms. Griff has Sunday chicken in the oven. And it’s been in the papers!
She should try an experiment and try to dispute what they have said in the comments and see what happens.
I don’t think that’s a good idea. She would forget and burn the chicken.
I just took out of the oven Lasagne, with fried eggplant strips substituted for the noodles**. YUM!
**I don’t eat pasta/bread/high starch foods…
WAIT!…..stop right there Missy!
That sounds incredible!
Tell me how to fry the eggplant strips Sis…
..I can wing the rest of it
Found the recipe on the internet…
…on the way to the grocery store!
:D
Bro,
I peel the eggplant and then use one of these to make thick slices ~3/8″ (you can use a knife.)
The slices get placed in a bowl salted with KCl + NaCl. Then the bowl is filled with water. I cover with a plate weighted down to keep the slices submerged. Leave for 2 hrs to overnight in frig. This removes bitter taste and the eggplant soaks up a lot less oil.
Drain and saute in olive oil, drain on paper towels.
Substitute for pasta in this or other recipe. (I generally wing it with the spices.)
http://allrecipes.com/recipe/23600/worlds-best-lasagna/
I’m scared of a mandoline!….do you still have fingerprints??
Thank for telling me how to soak the eggplant, I would have never thought of that…and you’re right, it can be bitter
I’m stoked!….got everything I need to make this tomorrow night…..will keep you posted!!!!
Gail
We had Lasagna of the more traditional type Saturday night for dinner. I heated some of the left over up for lunch today.
Had my 3 y/o granddaughter over for the night. This morning she ate almost all of two medium sized naval oranges as fast as I could peel them and give her a 1/2 section at a time. That little girl can eat! But she needs the fuel because she is such a ball of fire. Her grandmother and I felt the need to take a nap after she went home.
Dr Bates said: ‘I learned that the computer used to process the software had suffered a complete failure.’ The reason for the failure is unknown, but it means the Pausebuster paper can never be replicated or verified by other scientists.“
As usual Griff, you are making a complete fool of yourself.
How old are you… really?
If it can’t be replicated or verified, doesn’t that automatically move it outside of the realm of science?
neal s
It was never in the realm of science because they never would supply the data and methods for it to be replicated.
It was never credible in the first place since,Dr. Karl ADJUSTED the buoy data upward, to match up with the very low grade resolution ship intake data.
I can just imagine little Griff saying …
Oh please please uncle Karl, tell me another story about the CAGW proof that got away!!
Seems the computer was a complete failure from the very start. !! :-)
A paper THIS important, with several “writer”, and no-one else has the code or data, seriously ???
That means they never check the code or data for the paper.
That is ASTONISHING !!!
New millennium & computerized version of the dog ate the GLO-BULL warming homework ;-)
Source for the data?
Links are in the post
The charts posted here do not show how old the MYI ice is…
In 2017 there is very little 3, 4 and 5 year old ice – and what there is is often broken and thin.
And they don’t show the situation before 2006 – to which in a decade we have not recovered.
This is a better, accurate summary of the situation:
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/videos/old-ice-arctic-vanishingly-rare
“In 1985, 16% of the ice pack (relative to the total sea ice areal coverage) was four years old and older, but by March 2016 old ice only constituted 1.2% of the ice pack. First-year ice now dominates the ice cover, comprising about 78% of the March 2016 ice pack, compared to about 55% in the 1980s.”
The situation in Febrary 2017 is not very different… most of the thickest ice looks like exiting the Fram strait before the end of winter.
Take a look at http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
It says nothing about old ice, and nothing about January. Why? If there is nothing bad to say, they will keep their mouth shut.
(I think the current -6C here is pretty cold, I could switch with you.)
Griff, uses a very different baseline from what Tony used. That is what I objected too.
He starts in 1985,while Tony starts in 2006. Tony is correct in his presentation that from a LOW point in 2006,there is an increase in Multi-year ice by 2017. Griff completely avoided the accurate point, Tony made.
Tony, a couple years ago,showed what happened to all that Multi-year ice of the 1980’s. He showed that the main loss from late 1980’s to late 1990’s, was due to wind patterns that flushed out a lot of older ice, during the WINTER time.
It is a typically dishonest leftist warmist tactic they use.
Griff,
Tony made this post 4 1/2 years ago showing the big loss of older ice:
The Dirty Little Secret About Arctic Ice
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/09/23/the-dirty-little-secret-about-arctic-ice/
He long reported the older ice loss years ago, Griff.
Now will you properly address this posts content?
I will – see my link above about how ice thickens in the Beaufort Gyre, moves into the central arctic then is expelled through the Fram Strait. At least that’s what used to happen…
Now the Beaufort nearly clear melts each summer so little ice from it survives into a second year. The MYI formation mechanism is broke. Now ice exits the Fram and is not replaced.
further this year has seen record high air temps over the central arctic, with a succession of storms bringing warm damp air. There has not been heat loss at the ‘old’ rate. The ice has not thickened. The snow has further insulated the ice and reduced bottom freezing. The storms have broken up the ice.
The ice never even froze around Svalbard… the ice in the Kara and Bering Strait has ebbed and flowed – it is thin and broken.
In short, this ice looks likely, short of extreme conditions from now till the start of the melt season and short of a poor melt season , to produce a record low. Below 2012.
Even if some happen chance does not produce even an average melt season, it won’t recover beyond last years level.
Griff,
I have seen your link,didn’t dispute it at all.
What YOU O’ brainless one,is miss the FREAKING obvious that Tony was talking about a TEN year period from February 4,2007 to February 4,2017.
He backed the Sea ice charts up with links,which you have yet to acknowledge.
You never disputed Tony’s post at all,just skirt around with a totally different start point back to the mid 1980’s,which Tony talked about FOUR years ago,in a post, about rapid Multi year sea ice loss,starting in the mid 1980’s. The FOUR YEAR old Post,Tony made with a link,showing he covered that long ago.
You finally get it…….?
Stop being so gosh darn stupid!
You are that dumb,Griff?
Tony specifically states:
“As always, they are lying. There is more multi-year ice now than there was 10 years ago.”
Then he backs it up with data. Your reply doesn’t even address what Tony said at all.
You are a joke,Griff.
Griff ain’t funny enough to be a joke … more like a steaming pile of you know what.
And I think I showed you the data which contradicts Tony.
The sea ice extent is still at a record low level – second lowest ever recorded for this time of year. It is of record thinness. It is of record low volume. The temperature at Svalbard has been 4 degrees C within the last week (while it is still dark).
This ice is, sadly, not recovering.
“This ice is, sadly, not recovering.”
Yes it is.
It recovering to the lower levels of the most of the Holocene before the LIA.
Or are going to continue being a CLIMATE CHANGE DENIER?
Unfortunately the very slightly lower area this year is to do with the wobbly Jet Stream trapping a “less cold” bubble over the Kara Sea, slowing ice gain in a very local area.. This affects absolutely nobody.
Its the constant streams of bitterly cold air sweeping around the Northern Hemisphere that are the real problem, and that affect millions of people.
Tell us griff , do you CARE about all those people suffering from this cold, old people DYING because of energy poverty.
… or do you just care about a tiny irrelevant decrease in Arctic sea ice back towards the Holocene average?
What a despicable piece of human scum you truly are.
This ice is, sadly, not recovering.
Ms Griff strangely gets all teary eyed when she believes ice may be melting. But even sicker, Ms Griff helps starve 21,000 innocent humans every day, and does so with zeal.
Why do leftists hate humanity? Is projection of their self-loathing?
The evil little cretin just DOESN’T CARE about the human cost of the jet stream cold patches in the Northern Hemisphere.
All this evil slime cares about is a tiny loss of sea ice , that doesn’t affect anyone or anything, and is caused by a blocked weather system in one small location over the Kara Sea
It really is a DISGUSTING way to look at the world, and could only come from a far-left activist/scammer, with their HATRED of the human race…… even themselves.
“It really is a DISGUSTING way to look at the world, and could only come from a far-left activist/scammer, with their HATRED of the human race…… even themselves.”
cue… Jimbo the clown.
Andy, the climate of the arctic has clearly changed.. there are totally new weather patterns up there.
You could acknowledge that and provide a science based explanation which excludes climate change, if you like.
Andy, the climate of the arctic has clearly changed.. there are totally new weather patterns up there.
Nope. Same as it ever was.
Results indicate a decrease in sea-ice cover and a corresponding, albeit much smaller, increase in summer sea-surface temperature over the past 9000 years. Superimposed on these long-term trends are millennial-scale fluctuations characterized by periods of low sea-ice and high sea-surface temperature and salinity that appear quasi-cyclic with a frequency of about one every 2500–3000 years. The results of this study clearly show that sea-ice cover in the western Arctic Ocean has varied throughout the Holocene. More importantly, there have been times when sea-ice cover was less extensive than at the end of the 20th century.
http://research.bpcrc.osu.edu/geo/publications/mckay_etal_CJES_08.pdf
Why do you hate poor brown people Ms Griff?
“the climate of the arctic has clearly changed”
DENIAL of CLIMATE CHANGE is your bag, griff
You DENY anything except the last 40 or so years.
DENY that there was a Little Ice Age causing massive expanse of sea ice, which the Arctic is still recovering from, 1979 being a peak year
DENY that before that, there was a lot LESS sea ice than current
Basically you DENY the whole history of the Arctic …
You are probably the only CLIMATE CHANGE DENIER here.
DENYING the history of CLIMATE CHANGE is the only way the AGW scam can support itself.
History destroys the “climate change™” scam/agenda
Nobody is getting starved by climate science. Or me. where on earth does that come from??
Actually CAGW fearmongering is causing governments to misallocate funding that could save seven million lives every year. But because of you and the many others who want to push an agenda, those millions go without life saving food, water and medicine.
And don’t take my word for it, take the word of a Nobel Laureate, and believer in man made global warming…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtbn9zBfJSs
Ms Griff, I have posted this info many times for you. It has become quite clear that you don’t give a flock about learning the truth, in fact, it is obvious that you would prefer to hide behind your lies while you continue to snuff out thousands of poor brown people daily.
Malaria kills more people than any other disease now, just as it has throughout mans history and it’s completely preventable. Starvation is completely preventable. Clean potable water is the single greatest need for the underdeveloped nations of the world. Had the money used on “climate change” been properly apportioned and used for those maladies/problems a lot more people would be alive today and the reduction in human suffering that would result stupendous.
“Nobody is getting starved by climate science. ”
Now you are definitely in DENIAL, griff
You can run and hide in your inner city basement, sneaking out for the occasion soy decafe.
But REALITY is different.
The AGW agenda is causing pain and human suffering around the world.
but he does not prove ‘they’ are lying.
Ms. Griff, are you at least getting paid, making a fool of yourself and hustling for these people who don’t give a damn about you?
Forgive me for being so direct with a lady but you are a sucker if you don’t pull a little bit of cash for this.
I am not a MS, as it happens.
I could post the snapchat evidence I suppose: one understands US male politicians frequently do…
Griff,
idiotically claims without evidence:
“but he does not prove ‘they’ are lying.”
Yes he does,but you are terrible are reading Tony’s posts.
Quoting lines you manage to miss:
“CNN and NASA claim that the amount of multi-year ice in the Arctic is decreasing and at a record low.”
Backs it up with a source.
and,
“Eight years ago, one of Canada’s top experts said that multi-year ice is “effectively gone.”
Backs it up with a source.
Then he effectively show a INCREASE in multiple year ice from 2007 to 2017.
Backs it up with Source.
You offer lies and bullcrap.
You are once again exposed as a world class idiot!
And I backed my statements up with a link showing evidence from scientists who actually observe the ice.
Recent evidence.
Here’s another story covering this:
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/09012017/arctic-antarctica-sea-ice-climate-change-noaa-nasa-trump
Wow!
You are now a proven world class moron,since the time frame is a TEN YEAR period,that Tony brought up. You never discuss that time frame at all,which is appropriate since that was the LOW point in the decade to show that it has rebounded some.
You on the other hand have used TWO different time scales,that are not even close to Tony’s Ten years. Therefore you still have not addressed his post at all.
Thirdly, you are caterwauling over a short term weather event,that has happened before. While it is very cold all over the Northern Hemisphere,because of the Meridional Jet stream flow.
You are a dishonest person for claiming that Tony is wrong,without addressing what he actually said.
How old are you,Griff?
“Here’s another story covering this::”
Story? more like a fairy tale or science-fantasy.
A propaganda pap opinion piece at best.
There is one small area in the Kara Sea that is being affected by a continuing weather pattern.
And Arctic sea ice everywhere else is doing just fine, so much so , that multi year ice has increased over the last 10 years.
Why are you SO MORONIC as to link a very localise , but stuck WEATHER pattern with AGW.
You have ZERO proof, NOTHING,
just empty baseless rhetoric and arm flapping.
And considering the damage and suffering around the world from the AGW anti-CO₂ agenda, that is pretty sickening, and ultimately quite evil.
Griffy’s problem is she is from NYC Shocker: 80% of NYC graduates unable to read
Griffy, doesn’t believe Punxsutawney Phil either.
That’s because Phil has a much better record with his long range winter forecast than the true believing “scientists” have with their climate forecasts.
Ms Griff has a point, RAH. Punxsutawney Phil, the old racist, has been rumored to root for Brady, Belichick and Trump, white nationalists the whole lot.
WARNING: OT
Who in the Hell blows a 25 point lead?
Oh yeah…
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ibtimes.co.uk/hillary-clinton-gets-25-point-lead-donald-trump-latest-poll-1576340
PS – If you know any Falcon Fans who voted for Cankles, be kind and send them non-aggressive stuffed animals and crayons with no labels. You might also want to have the authorities do a wellness check.
Good one!
Holy Crap..
Look at the FREEZING COLD ANOMALY over Alaska, Canada, and Northern Europe /Russia.
This is DANGEROUS to the millions that live in these regions.
Yet we have HATEFUL people like griff the moron, Jimbo the con-man, and others, worrying about a small warm patch in the Kara sea area, slowing sea ice formation.
These guys really are the absolute very base-level of human slime and IGNORANCE..
I think I spotted Griffy and Jimmy Boy in this photo!
And thus you refute my science based evidence of the actual state of arctic sea ice!
I will post some kittens which also prove climate change, as well as the science, if you like.
Science says there is more ice in the Arctic now than the average of the past 9000 years.
Results indicate a decrease in sea-ice cover and a corresponding, albeit much smaller, increase in summer sea-surface temperature over the past 9000 years. Superimposed on these long-term trends are millennial-scale fluctuations characterized by periods of low sea-ice and high sea-surface temperature and salinity that appear quasi-cyclic with a frequency of about one every 2500–3000 years. The results of this study clearly show that sea-ice cover in the western Arctic Ocean has varied throughout the Holocene. More importantly, there have been times when sea-ice cover was less extensive than at the end of the 20th century.
http://research.bpcrc.osu.edu/geo/publications/mckay_etal_CJES_08.pdf
What is your point Ms Griff? Going for eight million this year?
The times at which sea ice was low were when the earth’s orbit tilted the N hemisphere fully toward the sun during the summer -one phase of a Milankovitch cycle.
That effect is not in operation today, yet we clearly see the lowest sea ice level since the Eemian.
We clearly see less sea ice in this cycle than at any point in the 20s through 40s iteration.
Bullshit Ms Griff.
Are you afraid to pull the trigger yourself? Is this why you use pseudo-science to kill poor brown people?
“That effect is not in operation today, yet we clearly see the lowest sea ice level since the Eemian.”
What a load of monuMENTAL steaming BULLSHIT !!
Arrctic sea ice is nowhere near the summer ice free of much of the first 3/4 of the Holocene.
You are LYING through your arse, yet again, griff.
You are a LIAR, and an anti-human piece of slime.
Griff,
as usual you whine over a weather event of several weeks,while ignoring the many times posted published research, that today’s Ice cap is much larger than average, for the current inter glacial period.
Gator, posted another example here that you will ignore,because you are warmist cult moron.
Griff, is just a low-life, low-intellect, anti-human, Climate Change DENIER.
Griff, you appear to be completely immune to logic, common sense, and evidence. Your “my science based evidence” statement gave me a chuckle, thanks.
Glad to be of service.
Why are people getting so worked up at being contradicted by evidence, do you know?
Griff, I don’t know why you get so worked up when contradicted by evidence (increasing multi-year-ice area for example).
You have produce ZERO evidence of anything except a know weather even.
Nada.. EMPTY.. SOULLESS.
typo correction
You have produce ZERO evidence of anything except a known weather event.
Jimmy Boy,
In Jolly Ole’ England…
Ironically your posted chart illustrates the 50 degree F over the North Pole.
If that isn’t an anomaly and a clear sign of climate change… ???
What kind of idiot thinks climates are stable? Oh, yeah. A genocidal idiot.
Ms. Griff! How do you do?
Have you been watching daytime TV science shows again?
And exceptional record warmth at the North Pole.
It is more extraordinary to have above freezing temps in the dead of the winter night at the North Pole than to have this ‘exceptional’ cold weather event.
“to have above freezing temps “.
North Pole is currently around -30ºC, just like most of Russia, Alaska and Canada
You are a LYING piece of human excrement, griff.
It’s not a sign of anything but weather! Geez that is like saying that the forecast high of 61 F we have here in Central Indiana for today is an indication that winter is over. Never mind the fact that the forecast for tomorrow is snow for tomorrow.
It takes a particular kind of blindness to have lived on this planet for a time and not noticed that when a cold front approaches it often pushes the warm air in front of it and thus it is often the warmest just before it gets cold or at least much cooler.
In a way the planet is just like the human body. Certain areas in the body that are very vascular and have little or no fat radiate the bodies heat most effectivly. Your forehead uncovered by hair is one of those places. Think of the planets poles as it’s foreheads and the atmosphere as the fat and a various currents running towards or around the poles as blood vessels. The atmosphere is thinnest at the poles and there are the various currents carrying warm water from the tropics towards the poles or around them. Thus that is where the heat is most efficiently radiated to space.
When the weather sets in into a new pattern over months and yeas, then it is more than just weather.
Svalbard has seen 75 straight months of abnormally high weather, unseasonal rain, lack of sea ice.
YAWN !!!
Like that never happened before the Little Ice age
You are DENYING CLIMATE CHANGE, yet again, griff
You TOTAL IGNORANCE of Climate History makes you look more and more like an uneducated moron with each post you make.
OH, so the whole Arctic is at Svalbard now?
Haven’t you ever noticed that global “climate change” is constantly moving around? Today at Svalbard, tomorrow somewhere else, the next day somewhere else. You people have been chasing a ghost for years because the hypothesis was falsified when the permanent upper tropospheric “hot spot” never showed. You remind me of people that watch “Ghost Adventures” and “Chasing Big Foot” and take it to heart. Walking around in the dark jumping at every little sound and feeling. Always chasing spirits and strange creatures but never producing hard evidence of their existence but still forever claiming that their out there and will be found.
And what is “abnormally high weather”?
One small patch which has been almost constantly under the “less cold anomaly”
As you can see, the rest of the Arctic is its normal FROZEN WASTELAND
And what is “abnormally high weather”?
RAH,
Poor Ms Griff got it all mixed up and had to run back to her burning chicken anyway but I can answer your question.
This is high weather any way I look at it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3nbehfHbDc
No it is WEATHER,which has happened before.
Weather and Climate are two different things.
Climate is always in a state of Change,therefore what you write childish.
You are a MORONIC IDIOT, griff. .
The WEATHER event of the wobbly Jet Stream is an absolutely normal, variation of the climate up there. Nothing to do with “Climate Change™” with a trade mark.
And NO-ONE lives there, so it doesn’t matter, and even if Arctic sea ice along the Russian coast does drop to a lower level, that is NOTHING BUT BENEFICIAL for all the people up there
The place where people do live are getting many degrees BELOW normal freezing winter temperatures.
That is dangerous.. But you just DON’T CARE do you,
You truly are a low-life piece of human excrement, griff.
The jet stream changes are down to a warming arctic.
So are there beneficial effects occurring or not?
I am puzzled as to what you actually believe is happening up there – is it recovering, getting colder or warming permanently to give beneficial effects (e.g an annually open and ice free NW passage as there has been over the last 10 years)
I am concerned a destabilised artic circulation pattern will cause severe weather of all sorts which injures people.
Parts of Svalbard had to be evacuated last autumn, for example, because of unusual and heavy rain events causing landslides.
The natives of Greenland are giving up their huskies because the winter ice is unreliable. are you not concerned for their welfare?
“The jet stream changes are down to a warming arctic.”
BULLSHIT !!
“The natives of Greenland are giving up their huskies because the winter ice is unreliable. are you not concerned for their welfare?”
You mean they may have to live more like the Vikings?
And wtf has giving up Huskies got to do with welfare?
Its not like people DYING from cold due to energy poverty, is it, you slimey anti-human cretin.
“an annually open and ice free NW passage”
You mean “open and ice free”like this?
And this?
And this? (BTW ….. this is a PORT!)
“an annually open and ice free NW passage as there has been over the last 10 years”
MORE BULLSHIT !!
https://www.buzzfeed.com/dinograndoni/arctic-sea-ice-russia?utm_term=.yeYganZ40#.iyBYJq9Py
“By the end of the century, oil tankers and cargo ships, with only the occasional help of icebreakers, will safely ply Russia’s Arctic coast for more than half the year if global warming continues unabated, a group of Russian scientists say.
The study, funded by the Russian government, was released by the journal Environmental Review Letters on Monday evening. It comes as a powerful North Atlantic storm is poised to smash into the Arctic Ocean for the third time this winter, perhaps pushing its temperatures above the freezing mark — also for the third time — in a year that has already set records for limited sea ice.”
How does this help save the 21,000 innocent humans that your alarmist priests are helping to starve to death today?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtbn9zBfJSs
Or do you not care about poor brown people Ms Griff?
I’m sorry but that’s just made up nonsense… no one is starving 21,000 people through acceptance or practice of climate science.
Talk about your holocsust denier! What a POS Ms Griff is.
Ms Griff, your denial of the leftist genocide is not surprising, your kind has been anti-human for well over a century. This genocide is not modeled, it is numbered in human corpses, thanks to the CAGW scam, and there is a special place in Hell for you Ms Griff.
But be sure to keep up the deadly work denier of life, it makes your team look like Nazis, and makes sane people run the other direction. You will do more to destroy the fallacy known as CAGW than I could ever hope to, through your disregard for human life.
But science, Gator! Eugenics and euthanasia are scientific. Ms Griff follows in the footsteps of giants!
Edward Goldsmith, Robert Allen, Sir Julian Huxley, Sir Frank Fraser Darling, Sir Peter Medawar, Sir Peter Scott and others agree with Ms Griff.
A Blueprint for Survival
http://www.theecologist.org/This_month_40_years_ago_from_the_Ecologist_archive/1222139/the_ecologist_january_1972_a_blueprint_for_survival.html
And George Bernard Shaw…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBZsTf6oLfY
If those poor brown people don’t shape up and get with the programming, well…
That’s it griff, run and hide, accept ZERO RESPONSIBILITY for the continued DENIAL of solid electrical power to third world countreis.
Run in DENIAL that huge amounts of money have been totally wasted on the AGW scam, money that could have been used to help lift third worlds out of poverty and starvation
You truly are a DISGUSTING piece of human excrement, griff.
You are among the LOWEST OF THE LOW.
“The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States. We can’t let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the US.
We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are.”
– Michael Oppenheimer,
Environmental Defense Fund
That is the goal…
“The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States. We can’t let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the US.
We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are.”
– Michael Oppenheimer,
Environmental Defense Fund
Ha ha ha,
it is obvious you didn’t read the “study” since it lacks demonstrated forecast skill and based on unverified models.
Try reading, The Scientific Method instead.
Thanks for the GREAT NEWS griff.
This drop in sea ice will be a MASSIVE HELP to Russian northern commerce.
The tiny drop in Arctic sea ice from WEATHER EVENTS this year hurts NO-ONE, because it is so localised in an area where people don’t live..
The REAL ISSUE is the massive cold sweeping around the northern hemisphere affecting MILLIONS of people in Alaska Canada, Northern Europe, Russia.
See all that purple on the image below, that is 10-20C BELOW NORMAL WINTER TEMPERATURE.
People will likely die, and will certainly struggle..
But you DON’T CARE, do you griff… so long as you can get in a meaningless and irrelevant sea ice scare word.
You are truly a heartless piece of low-life human slime.
You accept then that Russian science is accurate in its belief that the ice will continue to decline and open these seaways?
Because if you do you have to abandon any pretence that the MYI ice is increasing or that there will be as much ice in the future as even 2007.
This Russian effort is not for one year with ‘weather anomalies’ but for an arctic where there is a sustained and lasting drop in ice levels.
Griff, did you actually read the “Russian science” study? It’s based on CMIP5 SIMULATIONS, garbage in, garbage out.
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa5841
Griff cares more about modeled ice than human life. He calls Bjorn Lomborg’s TED talk “nonsense”, and offers no rebuttal, just denial of hard facts and life saving resources.
Safe to say we can write Ms Griff off as s complete nutcase, and Nazi.
The Russians, you will note, are basing their economic development and military operations on it and other climate science. I note that Putin is not shutting down his scientists or disputing their methodology.
The Russians can add up the trend from the observed rate of change as well as what they get from any modelling.
I see no evidence that the ice is stable or increasing. Certainly none presented by commenters here.
Ms Griff must be really madz at those poor brown people. Caring more for meaningless ice than human life is about as mentally ill as one can get.
griff, then why are the Russians massively beefing up their icebreaker fleet.
One study using FAILED climate models, mentioned in a far-left rag, is meaningless.
… even if it does show a picture of Putin with a polar bear.
You truly are a gullible, child-minded little people hater, aren’t you griff.
But how do you know she doesn’t mean well, Gator? Doesn’t she have the right to protect the lebensraum?
Ah! I did not realize that leftists considered the poles as their lebensraum. So they are afraid of poor brown people, and use ice to starve them, and to keep them at bay. I never knew!
The North Pole is the Leftists’ promised land, the magic kingdom of free stuff.
pmc47025,
I already pointed this out to that leftist moron tool,that the Russian models he drools over,lack demonstrated forecast skill, since it can’t be tested,it can’t be verifiable,can’t be modified,since it runs to year 2100.
That is why I brought up the scientific method statement. All else is JUNK SCIENCE!
Arctic Warming
In 1972
Arctic ‘Warming’
in 2017 is similar to 1972 — B–F—Deal!
The study was done using 5 Chimp models..
It is MEANINGLESS.
Real data shows MYI is increasing. Get over it.
“You accept then that Russian science is accurate in its belief that the ice will continue to decline and open these seaways?”
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahah….!!!
How can you say that with a straight face,Griff?
They used the CMIP5 modeling program to year 2100,just 83 years into the FUTURE!!!
You have no identifiable critical thinking skills visible,Griff. There is no way you can test this, since you will be long dead,as well as the fools who wrote yet another junk science paper.
You are also too dumb to realize that more and more people are laughing at your strident stupidity everyday.People in a couple blogs ask about you often now,wondering when you would post another comical comment for them to laugh over.
Go take some chemistry,Meteorology and engineering classes,fill that empty head with some real brainwaves.
John von Neumann famously said “With four parameters I can fit an elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk.”
Well with a GCM Model [you can get the] Elephants Playing Mozart
It is changes in the solar radiation wavelengths that cause the shifts in the jets from zonal to ‘loopy’
This is the chemistry:
ΔSolar UV(1)(2) ===> ΔOzone (3) ===> ΔStratospheric Temperature(4) ===> Δtropopause height(4) + Δ wind strength of jets(5) and motion**(6) + Δstrength of the stratospheric vortex (7)(8) + ΔOzone hole (9)
(Δ = Changes in)
(**Blocking phenomenon = Loopy jets)
REFERENCES:
(1) NASA 2007 before the deep solar minimum.: ” In recent years, SIM has collected data that suggest the sun’s brightness may vary in entirely unexpected ways… “We have never had a reason until now to believe that parts of the spectrum may vary out of phase with the solar cycle, but now we have started to model that possibility because of the SIM results,” …
“Between 2004 and 2007, the Solar Irradiance Monitor (blue line) measured a decrease in ultraviolet radiation (less than 400 nanometers) that was a factor of four to six larger than expected.” (wwwDOT)nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/features/solarcycle-sorce.html
(2)NASA 2009 “…A 12-year low in solar “irradiance”: Careful measurements by several NASA spacecraft show that the sun’s brightness has dropped by 0.02% at visible wavelengths and 6% at extreme UV wavelengths since the solar minimum of 1996….” science(DOT)nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/01apr_deepsolarminimum/
(3)Solar Spectral Irradiance Data
(4)Changes in Ozone and Stratospheric Temperature
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/features/200402_tango/ozone_temperature_graph.gif
(5)CHARACTERISTICS OF THE GENERAL CIRCULATION OF THE ATMOSPHERE AND THE GLOBAL DISTRIBUTION OF TOTAL OZONE AS DETERMINED BY THE NIMBUS III SATELLITE INFRARED INTERFEROMETER SPECTROMETER
CONTINUED
(6)Top-Down Solar Modulation of Climate: evidence for centennial-scale change
(7a)The NAO Troposphere–Stratosphere Connection “Using monthly mean data, daily data, and theoretical arguments, relationships between surface pressure variations associated with the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO), tropopause height, and the strength of the stratospheric vortex are established.”
(8)Quasi-biennial oscillation and solar cycle influences on winter Arctic total ozone
(9)Climate System Response to Stratospheric Ozone Depletion and Recovery
So what do the ‘Loopy’ Jets, that ‘warm’ the Arctic and sent blasts of cold down to Asia and North America mean???
WELL Griffy, it DOES NOT MEAN Gore Bull Warming!
IT’s THE SUN!
The sun just went through a Grand Solar Maximum, the highest in 3,000 years which has just ended.
PAPER: Usoskin, I.G., Hulot, G., Gallet, Y., Roth, R., Licht, A., Joos, F., Kovaltsov, G.A., Thebault, E. and Khokhlov, A. 2014. Evidence for distinct modes of solar activity Astronomy and Astrophysics 562: L10, doi: 10.1051/0004-6361/201423391.
SEE: A History of Solar Activity over Millennia
Corresponding change in Total Solar Insolation. (Note it is dropping off.)
Corresponding change in Ozone levels.
Gail,
You expect a science illiterate,read all these dangerous science stuff?
Griff, might pass out!
That is my hope.
This where the sun’s energy WAS… Cycle 24 was a wimp and Cycle 25 will be even worse.
And speaking of Russians.
Top scientists of Russia’s most prestigious academy say global warming is ending.
The Voice of Russia report translated in English:
Also Russian solar physicist Habibullo Abdussamatov predicts another Little Ice Age within the next 30 years.
GRAPH: Total Solar Irradiance
From Habibullo Abdussamatov Paper:
(Note he is in Agreement with Usoskin et. al.)
Giffy, will be very happy with the temperature drop this Top flight Russian Scientist is predicting… Until she has to buy food.
Dr. Habibullo Abdussamatov is head of the Space Research Laboratory at the Pulkovo Observatory and head of the Russian-Ukrainian project Astrometria on the Russian Segment of the International Space Station. He holds two patents for scientific inventions and is the author of more than 160 scientific publications.
His presentation at the International Conference on Climate Change The Beginning of the New Little Ice Age