Erasing The Past – To Produce A Disastrous Future

Posted on March 25, 2017 by tonyheller

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

  • George Santayana

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76 Responses to Erasing The Past – To Produce A Disastrous Future

  1. Steve Case says:
    March 25, 2017 at 3:19 pm

    The Soviet style poster
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_%22Hope%22_poster
    used by the Obama campaign always amazed me that they actually did that.

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  2. RAH says:
    March 25, 2017 at 3:32 pm

    Not anything new really. They revise history, distort, and omit in order to put communists in a better light as a matter of practice.
    As CW pointed out a few weeks ago, the fact that Stalin kicked off WW II in Europe in partnership with Hitler is forgotten.

    How many HS or even College graduates know that Stalin and Mao killed far more of their own people with their purification programs than Hitler killed Gypsies, mentally incapacitate, and Jews?

    Think that most college grads would have a clue what the Katyn massacre was? Would they know that the atomic bombs dropped on Japan killed far fewer than the firebomb raids? The list goes on and on. And it is an ever continuing effort.
    I have actually had leftist argue with me about what US troops were doing in Lebanon in the 80’s when I was THERE and knew about it first hand. I have seen them argue about what US troops were doing on the ground in the Balkans with my compadres that had been there on the ground. During Desert Sabre what they hyped as “The Highway of Death” was actually just a line of burned out vehicles for the most part because the Iraqis in them knew damned well what was about to happen and ran away and abandoned those vehicles before they were taken out. They had to look long and hard to find a couple of burnt bodies to give the impression that it was a massacre.

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    • Richard Keen says:
      March 25, 2017 at 9:54 pm

      And how many know that the IJA (Imperial Japanese Army), during the Rape of Nanking, killed several times as many people as did the atomic bombs, using sharp instruments (raping girls with bayonets, beheading contests, and simply mowing crowds down with machine guns) ?
      I don’t think too many Poles have forgotten about Soviet-Nazi collusion in starting WW II, followed by the Katyn massacre. Twenty years earlier, the Soviets (better known as Bolsheviks) attempted to conquer Poland as a stepping stone to fomenting “liberation” wars across the rest of Europe (Polish–Soviet War of 1920). Their leading generals in this operation were Leon Trotsky and Joseph Stalin. (No honor among thieves; Stalin had Trotsky murdered in 1940, with a sharp instrument.)
      Meanwhile, western libs were oblivious, and most supported the Bolshevik efforts against the effete Polish capitalist bourgeois, just as they supported Stalin using “food as a weapon” against Ukraine in 1931-33 (check out Walter Duranty’s Pulitzer prize winning apologetics in the New York Time).

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    • richard verney says:
      March 26, 2017 at 4:44 am

      And most people think that Nazism and Fascism is extreme right wing, when if one looks at their history, it will be seen that they are examples of extreme left wing politics.

      So for example, Nazism finds its roots in The National Socialist German Workers’ Party, which of course was left wing, not a right wing party. See Wikipedia:

      The National Socialist German Workers’ Party (German: About this sound Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (help·info), abbreviated NSDAP), commonly referred to in English as the Nazi Party (/ˈnɑːtsi/), was a political party in Germany that was active between 1920 and 1945 and practised the ideology of Nazism. Its precursor, the German Workers’ Party (Deutsche Arbeiterpartei; DAP), existed from 1919 to 1920.

      Fascism founds its roots in communism, viz

      Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete, and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.[7]

      It is amazing how history is rewritten.

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      • RAH says:
        March 26, 2017 at 1:19 pm

        What really matters is the effect on the people and when it comes to that there is little distinction between Hitler and Stalin no matter what label is used to characterize their regimes.

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  3. Charles Johnson says:
    March 25, 2017 at 4:55 pm

    Stolen from The People’s Cube, a great parody site:

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    • Andy DC says:
      March 25, 2017 at 5:22 pm

      The kids all look like perfect Aryans, from wholesome red states. Why no diversity?

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      • Stewart Pid says:
        March 25, 2017 at 6:05 pm

        Maybe they drowned all the deplorable ones?

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      • AZ1971 says:
        March 25, 2017 at 8:53 pm

        The kids all look like perfect Aryans, from wholesome red states. Why no diversity?

        You don’t recognize the fact this is from a parody site using old Nazi propaganda as its foundation?

        It would be simple enough to change every child in there to a color of the rainbow and be accurate in that Obama screwed future generations more than they will ever realize … but that rather undermines the idea of PARODY.

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      • Richard Keen says:
        March 26, 2017 at 6:09 am

        I see an Uzbek and an Armenian in there, so even the Soviets succumbed to political correctness – which is ironic, since in early days the term was used against communism
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness
        Perhaps the others are Latvian and Russian – hey, they all look the same – but the handsome boy in the middle looks like I did a few years ago, so maybe he’s Polish (the Bolsheviks dreamed of making Poland a SSR, and even started a failed war to do so in 1920).

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    • McLovin' says:
      March 25, 2017 at 5:45 pm

      Seriously guys? The current administration is being taken apart in congressional hearings over ties to Russia that are not now, nor have ever been permitted by rules of state. The leader of Russia is a known former KGB operative who, if given the chance during your time in service RAH, you would have shot at. If you try to sweep all this under the rug as if it has no merit whatsoever, or basis in reality, while criticizing the use of former Soviet imagery by people deemed Leftist…you will be rightly criticized for looking disingenuous.

      Serious mis-reporting of important science should be called out and corrected, but hooking you cart to a bloviating, silver spooner who has no actual record of serving anyone other than himself (i.e. the Donald) will only bring down the whole effort of making necessary corrections to the EPA and other agencies that have gone off the reservation. (Hello NASA and NOAA). I don’t think he’s long for the presidency…and not for nothin’.

      While tens of thousands freeze to death because they can’t afford to turn on their heat, this is how the Donald spends his money:
      http://celebritymozo.com/2016/03/10/donald-trumps-filthy-rich-life-in-21-photos/3/

      I mean, who actually buys life-sized paintings of THEMSELVES to hang in their house?

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      • tonyheller says:
        March 25, 2017 at 6:36 pm

        Troll alert. Readers here aren’t stupid enough to fall for this type of BS.

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        • McLovin' says:
          March 26, 2017 at 4:37 am

          Seriously? Believe it or not, I’m trying to help you. Disappointed. Genuinely.

          Not to worry, I’ll leave the support group/echo chamber. Really disappointed. God.

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      • gator69 says:
        March 25, 2017 at 6:53 pm

        The painting was purchased at a charity event, the proceeds went to a worthy cause, and it is said that the painting is at one of his golf courses. The painting was purchased with the proceeds of his book “The Art of the Deal”, and another 5.5 million of Trump’s money that he earmarked for charity

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      • Tom Bakert says:
        March 25, 2017 at 7:05 pm

        “While tens of thousands freeze to death because they can’t afford to turn on their heat…”

        Please provide your sources. If there had been one such incident the MSM would have been all over it like stink on you know what.

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      • R. Shearer says:
        March 25, 2017 at 7:28 pm

        Obama has one in every room.

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      • RAH says:
        March 25, 2017 at 8:59 pm

        McLovin’ says
        “The current administration is being taken apart in congressional hearings over ties to Russia that are not now, nor have ever been permitted by rules of state. The leader of Russia is a known former KGB operative who, if given the chance during your time in service RAH, you would have shot at. If you try to sweep all this under the rug as if it has no merit whatsoever, or basis in reality, while criticizing the use of former Soviet imagery by people deemed Leftist…you will be rightly criticized for looking disingenuous. ”

        I have not seen a speck of evidence of collusion of team Trump with the Russians, let alone anything that effected the outcome of the election. Produce that evidence here and now, or be recognized as a uber partisan liar every bit as bad as Putin.

        I believe in a system that requires hard evidence to charge, let alone convict a person. What do YOU believe in? Tell me, even hypothetically, how could the Russians of possibly “hacked” the electoral system so that it changed the outcome of the election?

        What I see is that there was not a peep about anything having to do with Team Trump colluding with the Russians until the democrat party lost the election and had to come up with an excuse for it.

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        • McLovin' says:
          March 26, 2017 at 4:47 am

          I don’t have the evidence as I don’t work for the FBI. But I suspect we’ll all be hearing about or seeing it soon enough. And for the record, it’s nothing I’m excited about. I too want BS artists held to account…but I believe he’s one of them. What evidence have you that he’s lived a life of anything other than a rich kids son who’s life is spent in self addrandizement and self promotion? Simply because he insulted Obama? Is that all it really takes? I mean, if you truly can’t countenance the possibility of someone holding (at least somewhat) differing political ideas from your own while sharing some interests, how do you expect to actually LIVE in the world?

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          • RAH says:
            March 26, 2017 at 12:59 pm

            This isn’t about political ideas. This is about truth and justice. Your accepted the very premise of the charge before there has been a lick of hard evidence presented to support it. And you obviously justify that opinion by your hate of Trump. It’s all right there in your original post.

            Thus your representative of part of the problem because your not even attempting to be objective. So your questioning of my values for supporting Trump means nothing to me.

            Many great men have over the top egos. I don’t object to people having been born with a “silver spoon” in their mouth as long as that spoon was bought with wealth legally obtained. It is after all a product of what many parents strive to provide for their children. And Trump made the most of the opportunity given him. He did not get to where he is by being stupid and lazy. And when it gets down to it he has been a very generous with his wealth. Far more than his political detractors and opposition have been from what I have seen. Far more than the previous POTUS was or has been.

        • McLovin' says:
          March 26, 2017 at 2:25 pm

          RAH,

          A couple things. I never questioned yours, or anyone’s beliefs of values. Aside from suggesting that in the 1980s, while you were in service and given the chance, you would have (likely) shot at them man now in charge of Russia, while he was an active KGB agent.

          Also:
          I accept as objective fact, as I assume you also do, that the head of the FBI, James Comey and the director of the N.S.A., Adm. Michael S. Rogers were grilled for hours just this past week about all of this. That’s it — the full extent of my “claim.” It’s not controversial. Comey got around providing direct answers on numerous occasions by saying that he could not discuss anything that was part of an active investigation. Because there is an active investigation underway.

          I’m not trying to be provocative here. If I’ve imagined what I just wrote, please let me know and I’ll make an appointment with a Neurologist right now and get checked out. But so far as I know, these events took place…recently…and will continue. And I reiterate that this is not an attack on anyone here, including you, your values, your beliefs, etc. Neither has been anything I’ve written, including my original post. Which btw…

          Was written in the spirit of taking the partisanship out of this blog. I am an registered INDEP, always will be as I’ve NO intention of ever accepting a whole platform of conflated ideas, if some portion(s) of it it seem to me to be foolish…like Carbon taxes. I live in a very liberal area around Boston and I’ve been quietly talking with a few people whom I know to be thoughtful and smart. I’ve been making serious efforts, over time, to get them to review many CLIMATE AND SCIENCE issues that I see discussed here (usually thoughtfully). I want to be able to send them here. But just like you, me, or anyone else RAH, if they see partisan vitriol that either directly, or indirectly ostensibly insults THEIR values and/or beliefs, they too will have the same reaction as you. Then they’ll tune out, even good info – as we’re all prone to do. THAT is point of my original post. No more no less.

          Tony mentioned an 81 year old that he’s been talking with who’s come around on these points. It took time. Maybe I’m wrong (given how I was received), but I’d be otherwise willing to bet he didn’t go up to this 81 year each time he saw him and tell him what a stupid, terrible person he was for voting, or thinking the way he did. I suspect he let the facts speak for themselves. If you have truth on your side, it eventually rises, like cream. No amount of shouting or insults will hold it down. And NEVER will shouting and insults enable you, Tony, or anyone else to reach a broader public with this CLIMATE related info. It’s been my understanding that this was the point of the blog and Tony’s work – to reach MORE people. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong.

          Pres Trump has very low ratings (for right or wrong) as so many in politics seem to these days. He’s been a verbose, outspoken since before his presidency. Whether he’s been generous or not I can not say as I don’t know him. I’m guessing neither of us can say that with certainty. But we’re human and are succeptible to an in-built bias that predisposed up to seek out data points that support what we chose to believe (heck, this whole blog is sort of a psychological study in how this bias selection plays out in science and politics! It’s part of our species endowment…whatya gonna do?)

          So for MY part – I made this initial post/suggestion so that I can share Tony’s work with a broader population that would not otherwise look it up. It’s a tight rope walk. If I send someone to this blog who’s politics tend to lean more left and they see this left-bashing, they’ll tune out…just like that feckin’ eejit in the Washington State Senate did when Tony presented to them back in Feb (and I emailed him to say that Washington voters should feel embarrassed about his behavior).

          I guess that’s all. But no offense was intended and that’s the truth. I simply want to be able to bring people here w/o destroying my own groundwork on this issue. And if THAT makes me a troll, well, good luck getting this story out to those beyond the Pale.

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      • Latitude says:
        March 25, 2017 at 9:26 pm

        Mc…the other choice was Clinton

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      • Gail Combs says:
        March 25, 2017 at 10:16 pm

        What about Hillary selling 20% of US uranium production to Russia in return for $$$ to the Clinton foundation and Podesta getting a slice of the pie in the shape of stock. Not to mention right after a Russian bank paid Bill Clinton $500,000 for a speech.

        https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/press-release

        What about the Podesta Group being paid $170,000 in a six-month period in 2016 to represent Russia’s largest bank, Sberbank, to end an Obama’s sanctions?

        What about BP of Oil Spill fame hiring BP hiring the Podesta group to do its lobbying and PR => John and Tony Podesta own Podesta group => Podesta (john) owns Center for American Progress AND Climate Progress. (From 2010)

        ..But as soon as Clinton lost the election, many of the criticisms directed toward the Clinton Foundation were reaffirmed. Foreign governments began pulling out of annual donations, signaling the organization’s clout was predicated on donor access to the Clintons, rather than its philanthropic work. In November, the Australian government confirmed it “has not renewed any of its partnerships with the scandal-plagued Clinton Foundation, effectively ending 10 years of taxpayer-funded contributions worth more than $88 million.” The government of Norway also drastically reduced their annual donations, which reached $20 million a year in 2015…
        http://observer.com/2017/01/the-clinton-foundation-shuts-down-clinton-global-initiative/

        Computer scientists have apparently uncovered a covert server linking the Trump Organization to a Russian-based bank.
        — Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) November 1, 2016

        The “computer scientist” was exposed: She is a DemonRat, belongs to Move On.org, and was a large Clinton donor. The server was operated by some else and used to send out advertizements and sales promotions. The link was the ‘ Russian-based bank’ pinging that server but otherwise no communication according to the FBI

        Long list of Obama’s unconstitutional actions and abuses of power: http://tinyurl.com/HistoricFirsts

        List of Clinton crimes from Whitewater to Benghazi –
        http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/tracking-the-clinton-controversies-from-whitewater-to-benghazi/396182/

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        • McLovin' says:
          March 26, 2017 at 4:50 am

          I’m not a Clinton fan either. Frankly, I spent months shaking my head and how we got to a point that we had two crap candidates to choose from. I’m still actually shaking from it!

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          • McLovin' says:
            March 26, 2017 at 4:53 am

            I would add that any power seerker should be viewed cautiously. And any power achiever should be cavity searched, daily.
            If these thoughts actually make of me a “troll” well…so bet it. (though I think that’s bullshit)

      • Tom Bakert says:
        March 26, 2017 at 10:06 pm

        Gail, I am sorry that you had a painful experience with hypothermia and frostbite. I am 68, have lived in upstate NY my entire life, and genuinely sympathize with anyone who has suffered from exposure to the cold. Please be careful in the wintertime… we are, after all, a tropical species.

        Wrt to the discussion thread started by my earlier comment in response to McLovin’s assertion that tens of thousands of people freeze to death, are we talking about the US, North America, the northern hemisphere, or the entire world? Are we talking about each year, the past decade, or since the dawn of time? I assumed our friend McLovin meant each year in the US, clearly an asinine statement.

        I was saddened to hear about the couple in Madrid Maine that died of hypothermia. At the risk of sounding calloused and cynical, that leaves 9,998 to go before reaching our first documented 10,000 deaths attributable to cold weather in the US in recent years.

        I’m beginning to understand why Tony Heller grits his teeth and occasionally flames inane comments.

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  4. Andy DC says:
    March 25, 2017 at 5:16 pm

    The alarmist scum have tried to erase every warm period going back to the birth of civilization. The reasons why? The don’t want anyone to know that there were warmer times in the past with no human input, plus they don’t want anyone to know that humanity fared quite well during those warmer periods.

    The want to keep it a deep, dark secret that the Vikings were able to grow crops and even wine in Greenland during the Middle Ages. But that is a tough sell, especially with the place having been named GREENland!

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    • Stewart Pid says:
      March 25, 2017 at 6:06 pm

      Andy is the Greenland wine true … I know the crops were quite varied etc but I don’t think I have ever heard of wine there.

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      • Andy says:
        March 25, 2017 at 7:30 pm

        I think it’s a load of made up rubbish. If Greenland is so warm today due to AGW can Andy DC show us a bottle of wine from their in his local Walmart? Picture please.

        Andy

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      • R. Shearer says:
        March 25, 2017 at 7:32 pm

        They were able to grow grains, such as barely. I’ve never heard of grapes being grown in Greenland by the Vikings either.

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      • Andy says:
        March 25, 2017 at 7:37 pm

        Romans did grapes in the SE of the UK back in the day but doing that in Greenland is a bit of a stretch.

        Andy

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        • richard verney says:
          March 26, 2017 at 4:56 am

          Romans grew vines right through to the North of England, right up to the border country. Even though vines were far less hardy or specialised when compared to the vines of today.

          Whether any vines grew further North, ie., North of the border in Scotland is moot. There does not appear to be Roman records of such, but the Romans had little presence North of Hadrian’s Wall.

          Generally any ancient road named Vine Street, or the like, can trace its origin of naming back to a nearby vineyard of old.

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          • richard verney says:
            March 26, 2017 at 5:09 am

            Wines might not have been grown quite as far as the Northern Borders, and may have stopped more around the Yorkshire and Northamptonshire area.

            Roman Vineyards

            The origins of English wine remain shrouded in a certain mystery, but there is evidence to suggest that viticulture was first introduced to Great Britain by the Romans. Few people would deny that the Italians know a thing or two about wine, and the Romans appear to have utilised their Italian wine-making instincts by racing to make the most of England’s viticultural potential. They planted many substantial vineyards – particularly in Northamptonshire, where conditions were perfect for crafting Roman-style wine (a very sweet affair, with plenty of honey added). After the Romans left, the wine stayed – a tradition testified to by the proliferation of ancient wine-related place names like ‘Vine Street’ and ‘Vintners Road’ throughout the country.

            From: http://www.greatenglishwines.co.uk/history-of-english-wine

      • AndyG55 says:
        March 25, 2017 at 9:00 pm

        Probably just a mix-up between wine and mead.

        Mead was a staple Viking drink.

        An interesting read of where the Vikings may have got wine from ..

        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/viking-land-of-wine-pinpointed-in-canada-5370503.html

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      • Douglas Hoyt says:
        March 26, 2017 at 12:20 am

        Grapes were growing in Vinland, not Greenland. That is modern day Nova Scotia and is today north of where grapes grow. The Viking that testified they were grapes had lived in France at one time, so they knew what grapes were.

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        • Gail Combs says:
          March 26, 2017 at 12:41 am

          And the Greenland Vikings were visiting and colonizing Canada.

          …Ever since 1960, when archaeologists uncovered the remains of that settlement on the northern tip of Newfoundland, they have been seeking evidence that Vikings spread further into North America, without success. Now, however, a satellite technology has led a team of researchers to what they believe may be a second Norse settlement, hundreds of miles further south than Vikings were previously thought to have traveled….

          Last week, a team of researchers led by noted “space archaeologist” Sarah Parcak announced they have identified what they believe is a second Norse settlement in Canada using infrared images taken by satellites hovering some 400 miles above Earth. Located on the southwest coast of Newfoundland, on a patch of ground known as Point Rosee, the site is 300 miles south and west of L’Anse aux Meadows, indicating that Vikings may have traveled much more extensively in the New World than was previously known….

          Parcak took a team to excavate the spot, a piece of exposed headland on the southwestern end of Newfoundland. After finding elevated iron readings using a magnetometer, the scientists dug trenches, uncovering turf walls built in the Viking style. One structure appeared to contain internal walls, and was the same size and shape as the Viking longhouses found at L’Anse aux Meadows. The researchers also found ash residue, fragments of cooked bog iron in a shallow hearth and a boulder with its face scorched by fire—evidence indicating a type of metallurgy not practiced by natives of the Canadian region…
          http://www.history.com/news/satellite-technology-suggests-new-viking-site-in-canada

          There are two other possible sites also located.
          http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vikings-uncovered-3-possible-sites-found-in-canada/

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        • Douglas Hoyt says:
          March 26, 2017 at 10:37 am

          Yes, I meant Newfoundland, not Nova Scotia.

          Nowadays they say grapes grow to about 45 degrees north. I have seen them at 44 N in sheltered locations. They are not abundant as the sagas report.

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    • Rud Istvan says:
      March 25, 2017 at 8:09 pm

      Andy, Viking Greenland beer from barley. Not wine.

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      • RAH says:
        March 25, 2017 at 10:30 pm

        In Skandinavien, the traditional range of the norsemen, the alcoholic drink not brewed was Honey Meade having nothing to do with grapes.

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  5. SxyxS says:
    March 25, 2017 at 5:58 pm

    Nothing surprising,
    as,

    “The only thing we learn from the past is
    that we learn nothing from the past”

    In this special case you can not even expect people to learn,
    as they have been fooled by the very same trick the elitist guy use.

    When numbers,no matter how small
    fit their narrative and are usefull for manipulation
    they emotionalise people-
    than even a supertiny number like 1/10000 man made co2 in our atmosphere
    is the ultimate bringer of death ,the apocalypse.

    When numbers are harmfull to them ,
    than they either keep quiet as much as possible
    or,after being exposed,
    they intellectualise them
    by turning this number into a statistic.

    Therefore massmurdering communism after killing 150million++ people(=4*more than hitler&3* more than Dschingis Khan)
    is still considered
    a fantastic thing
    (by the very same looneys who think that islam is a religion of peace)

    As all these horrible crap is told us by philantropic experts,
    most of us believe this shit.

    As the communist revolution was sponsored by Wall Street and the city of London
    by the Fathers of those bankers and big corporations
    who own the big MSM who favour Obama and Sanders
    the use of those images is logical.
    ((btw both “inventors” of communism((Karl Marx/Moses Hess))
    worked for the two same Newspapers.
    Just one of many many coincidencies you can discover when researching communism.
    Trotzky lived in New York in a luxury Hotel+Limousine&Driver before starting “russian” revolution,
    and many oligarchs who turned russia into a shithole in the 90ies went to the city of London(Marx beloved Exile)
    after Putin kicked them out of Russia.
    The very same London the very first Bolshewik-Oliver Cromwell-lived in.
    Gooddoer Cromwell was the guy who did what Bolshewiks use to do:he killed(not the Tzars but) the King and after killing him
    England was turned within few years into a massmurdering empire bringing war all over the world.
    For centuries the Queens/Kings of England have to ask the mayor of the(autonomous) city of London for permission
    if they want to enter the city,
    while the other way around the lords of the city don’t have to ask.
    I wonder who the really Lords of Britain are and have been for a long time.
    The World is so incredibly small as soon as we follow the main storyline
    of human history and stay in the main cities.
    And you see:big money,mass killing & communism always walking hand in hand.
    These people create(or rewrite) the future and past we live in and
    tell us what is allowed to think,that’s why today we live in a totally perverted world where;

    You can adore massmurdering communism and islam and be considered a good guy but be crucified for just criticizing them.

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  6. gator69 says:
    March 25, 2017 at 6:29 pm

    CAGWBS has already killed hundreds of millions of innocent humans, and the same way that Stalin did, by denying them food.

    Stalin starved less than 5% of what the alarmists have starved over the past three decades.

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    • Andy says:
      March 25, 2017 at 7:28 pm

      Have you got any stats to prove it gator? Just thought I’d ask…..

      I guess I am an alarmist in your books, ie not a right wing US based person with tin foil hat who worries AGW might steal a few cents out of the old wallet.

      So how many people have I starved ? Some graphs would be good as a starting point.

      Cheers
      Andy

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      • AndyG55 says:
        March 25, 2017 at 9:04 pm

        You could start here

        https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2008/jul/03/biofuels.renewableenergy

        And its not just the price, massive areas of once food crop or old jungle in third world countries have been converted to the bio-fuel scam.

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      • gator69 says:
        March 25, 2017 at 9:10 pm

        Andy, I wish you would once have an honest reason to ask a question here. You are not really interested in knowing how many people have starved, as you could have found out faster by simply turning to Google. You are here to cast doubt on facts that can be easily researched and shown.

        Bad Andy.

        And now for the truth.

        About 21,000 people die every day of hunger or hunger-related causes, according to the United Nations. This is one person every four seconds, as you can see on this display. Sadly, it is children who die most often.

        Yet there is plenty of food in the world for everyone. The problem is that hungry people are trapped in severe poverty. They lack the money to buy enough food to nourish themselves. Being constantly malnourished, they become weaker and often sick. This makes them increasingly less able to work, which then makes them even poorer and hungrier. This downward spiral often continues until death for them and their families.

        http://www.poverty.com/

        That works out to 7,665,000 every year.

        I guess a good and honest question would be, why isn’t Andy really concerned? What other motives might there be that drive Andy?

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        • Gerald Machnee says:
          March 25, 2017 at 10:05 pm

          Because of the dictatorships it is difficult to get food to the ones that need it.

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          • Gator says:
            March 25, 2017 at 10:44 pm

            Agreed. But this is no excuse for starving millions annually.

          • Gail Combs says:
            March 25, 2017 at 10:44 pm

            Yes and the UN and the USA (controlled by the Central Banksters) make sure those dictators stay in power and those people starve.

            Fabian John Maynard Keynes and Soviet Spy Harry Dexter White (working as senior U.S. Treasury department official) are the ones who saddled the world with the IMF and World Bank.

            THE IMF: Mr. Budhoo’s Bombshell

            “Today I resigned from the staff of the International Monetary Fund after over 12 years, and after 1000 days of official fund work in the field, hawking your medicine and your bag of tricks to governments and to peoples in Latin America and the Caribbean and Africa. To me, resignation is a priceless liberation, for with it I have taken the first big step to that place where I may hope to wash my hands of what in my mind’s eye is the blood of millions of poor and starving peoples. Mr. Camdessus, the blood is so much, you know, it runs in rivers. It dries up too; it cakes all over me; sometimes I feel that there is not enough soap in the whole world to cleanse me from the things that I did do in your name and in the name of your predecessors, and under your official seal. ”

            With those words, Davison Budhoo, a senior economist with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) for more than 12 years, publicly resigned..

            WORLD BANK
            The official mission for the Bank is:
            Working for a world free of poverty

            who has been pushing CAGW/carbon tax for all it is worth.

            …Structural Adjustment Policies are economic policies which countries must follow in order to qualify for new World Bank and International Monetary Fund (IMF) loans and help them make debt repayments on the older debts owed to commercial banks, governments and the World Bank…

            SAPs generally require countries to devalue their currencies against the dollar; lift import and export restrictions; balance their budgets and not overspend; and remove price controls and state subsidies….

            Balancing national budgets can be done by raising taxes, which the IMF frowns upon, or by cutting government spending, which it definitely recommends. As a result, SAPs often result in deep cuts in programmes like education, health and social care, and the removal of subsidies designed to control the price of basics such as food and milk. So SAPs hurt the poor most, because they depend heavily on these services and subsidies.

            SAPs encourage countries to focus on the production and export of primary commodities such as cocoa and coffee to earn foreign exchange. But these commodities have notoriously erratic prices subject to the whims of global markets which can depress prices just when countries have invested in these so-called ‘cash crops’.

            By devaluing the currency and simultaneously removing price controls, the immediate effect of a SAP is generally to hike prices up three or four times, increasing poverty to such an extent that riots are a frequent result.

            The term “Structural Adjustment Program” has gained such a negative connotation that the World Bank and IMF launched a new initiative, the Poverty Reduction Strategy Initiative…
            http://www.whirledbank.org/development/sap.html

            FP: How Goldman Sachs Created the Food Crisis

            It took the brilliant minds of Goldman Sachs to realize the simple truth that nothing is more valuable than our daily bread. And where there’s value, there’s money to be made. In 1991, Goldman bankers, led by their prescient president Gary Cohn, came up with a new kind of investment product, a derivative that tracked 24 raw materials, from precious metals and energy to coffee, cocoa, cattle, corn, hogs, soy, and wheat. They weighted the investment value of each element, blended and commingled the parts into sums, then reduced what had been a complicated collection of real things into a mathematical formula that could be expressed as a single manifestation, to be known henceforth as the Goldman Sachs Commodity Index (GSCI).

            For just under a decade, the GSCI remained a relatively static investment vehicle, as bankers remained more interested in risk and collateralized debt than in anything that could be literally sowed or reaped. Then, in 1999, the Commodities Futures Trading Commission deregulated futures markets. All of a sudden, bankers could take as large a position in grains as they liked, an opportunity that had, since the Great Depression, only been available to those who actually had something to do with the production of our food….

            John Perkins: Economic Hit Man
            Summary of Confessions of an Economic Hit Man

      • gallopingcamel says:
        March 26, 2017 at 4:01 am

        Stalin backed Trofim Lysenko who caused a catastrophe in soviet agriculture resulting in widespread crop failures and millions of deaths.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko
        https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/04/28/the-disgraceful-episode-of-lysenkoism-brings-us-global-warming-theory/#2ea0c70b7ac8

        One might think that gross perversion of science can only happen under a brutal dictator such as Stalin but that is not the case:
        https://diggingintheclay.wordpress.com/2014/12/16/countering-consensus-calculations/

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  7. RAH says:
    March 26, 2017 at 12:09 am

    OT but it is a little of the past that should be remembered and not forgotten.
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/good-news/after-restoration-world-war-ii-vet-reunites-with-his-torpedo-boat/ar-BByHKPl?li=AAk6ORB&ocid=spartanntp

    As far as I know, out of over 700 PT boats produced by the US during there are only 2 still on the water today. 100’s were burned at the end of the war in the Pacific. Most others that survived the war in the Atlantic were turned over to the navies of liberated European countries. They are labor intensive to keep up and with plywood hulls not made to last for decades.

    Many have questioned if the efforts to produce and man them during WW II were worth it. IMO they certainly were and that is particularly true for the Pacific where they did fantastic work interdicting the Japanese supply efforts across the South Pacific right up to the Philippines. They did the same against the Germans and Italians in the Med. They were the perfect vessel for landing and retrieving clandestine agents on the European mainland and for escorting the vital mine sweepers as they worked to clear the lanes for amphibious operations. And though a lighter vessel than the German E-boats they proved to be more than a match for them.

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    • gallopingcamel says:
      March 26, 2017 at 4:18 am

      As you say plywood is not the material to use if you want a ship to last. Steel is not much better.

      If you want a ship to last the hull needs to be made of teak:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Trincomalee

      If you Google “Oldest British Warship” you will get HMS Victory that is in dry dock in Portsmouth. This is a museum rather than a functional ship.

      The Trincomalee was built in 1799 and was sunk soon after. A second Trincomalee was built in 1812 and remains in service to this day.

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      • RAH says:
        March 26, 2017 at 9:20 am

        It depends on the steel. What most people don’t know is that ships hulls and superstructures during WW II were fabricated from plain hot roll steel. Hot roll steel leaves the “mill scale” on the surface of the metal. “Mill Scale” is the surface oxidization that occurs as a result of the hot rolled steel manufacturing process. The steel normally used for marine construction of hulls is Hot rolled”pickled & oiled” steel. Pickling is a process by which using mechanical means and/or an acid bath the mill scale is removed. Immediately after pickling an oil film is applied to the surface of the steel to prevent oxidation while the steel is stockpiled and transported.

        This is the biggest reason why you find so few of the many of the 1,000s of ships produced during WW II still around. Without the pickling process the mill scale provides crannies for oxidation to start. This was not a problem for naval ships with huge crews who could be armed with chipping hammers and wire brushes to combat the rust. But for commercial uses where crews are kept to a minimum it is a big problem.

        The reason why pickled & oiled wasn’t used during WW II was because the mills simply could not keep up with the orders despite the massive increase in output after the depression. Ship and vessel construction used more steel during the war than all other applications combined. Small wonder with Kaiser yards putting out Liberty Ships at such a prodigious rate and other yards putting out steel warships both big and small.

        The “super frigate” USS Constitution launched in 1797 remains the oldest commissioned ship in the US Navy and still sails. Right now she is undergoing a total refit. She was built of higher quality woods than were generally available to the Brits by the 19th century in their home yards but most of the ship is not the original wood because of nearly countless refits. https://ussconstitutionmuseum.org/restoration/

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  8. Gail Combs says:
    March 26, 2017 at 8:44 am

    Saturday Trump rallies…

    Some comments over at CTH that gave me a good laugh.
    maggiemoowho says:

    Finally the police are able to fight back. I’d like to see some skulls break or lead fly, get rid of those Antifa azzholes for good, nobody will miss them, not even their families.

    oldschool64 replies:

    A worthy cause. We’ll call it FREE THE BASEMENTS.

    wheatietoo says:

    Another clip of that scene where the little masked agitator throws the first punch…then gets his ass beat.
    https://twitter.com/jojoh888/status/845765366353743872

    I don’t think the delicate snowflakes want to meet the ladies on that twitter feed…

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  9. Gail Combs says:
    March 26, 2017 at 9:45 am

    Comey/Hilderbeast has truly jumped the shark…

    FBI Probing Breitbart, InfoWars In Russian Influence Investigation

    Federal agents are investigating whether right-wing sites including Breitbart and InfoWars colluded in any way with Russian agents who were working to hurt Hillary Clinton’s chances in the presidential election, McClatchy reports.

    The FBI-led investigation is focused on Russia’s use of social media “bots” to amplify stories that put Donald Trump in a favorable light when he appeared to be struggling during the campaign, two anonymous sources told McClatchy. Part of the investigation involves working to determine whether any of the sites whose stories the bots often amplified were cooperating in some way with the Russian operatives….

    Remember the Hilderbeast went after Breitbart and InfoWars before the election. Don’t forget, Fox news is owned by globalist Rupert Murdoch and his best buddy, Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal who also own the Wall Street Journal. — Can you say CONTROLLED OPPOSITION?

    Hillary Campaign Vows To Destroy Opposition Website
    Aug 18th, 2016

    Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s campaign has sent out a fundraising email arguing the website Breitbart News has no “right to exist,” and suggests that if elected, the website will be shut down entirely.
    “We’ve had a conservative media in this country for a while,” says the email, sent Thursday and signed by deputy communications director Christina Reynolds. “I don’t always like what they have to say, but I respect their role and their right to exist Reynolds’ acknowledgment that the regular conservative media has a “right to exist,” though, is used to contrast it with Breitbart, which apparently has no such right.
    “Breitbart is something different,” she says. “They make Fox News look like a Democratic Party pamphlet. They’re a different breed altogether — not just conservative but radical, bigoted, anti-Muslim, anti-Semitic conspiracy peddlers who never have been and never should be anywhere near the levers of power in this country.”
    One of the goals of Clinton’s campaign, Reynolds says, is to ensure Breitbart is destroyed.

    Seems they haven’t given up on that goal.
    Thursday 2 February 2017 — Breitbart loses advertising deals with 935 companies due to grassroots campaign “The far-right news outlet is facing a backlash in recent months” —
    (wwwDOT)independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/breitbart-advertising-activists-campaign-petition-milo-yiannopoulos-a7559441.html
    Saturday 25 February 2017 Another 100 companies pull advertising from Breitbart
    Grassroots campaign encourages Twitter users to name and shame advertisers 
    …Audi, Visa, T Mobile and Lufthansa have joined the growing list of companies to withdraw, according to Sleeping Giants, the group behind the campaign, which claims that at least 1,250 advertisers no longer wish to be associated with it. 
    Campaigners have successfully encouraged Twitter users to name and shame companies who advertise on the site by posting screenshots of Breitbart ads.

    A Donald Trump-hating Twitter user – who is too scared to reveal his true identity because he says he fears backlash from Trump supporters — – is attempting to destroy a leading conservative news site with a coordinated campaign attacking its advertisers and claiming it’s “racist.”
    (wwwDOT)wnd.com/2016/12/47-u-s-companies-join-anti-trump-breitbart-blacklist/#XBh5Z5C835LEgEQL.99

    GEE Sleeping Giant looks like Commie Black Lives Matters. So is probably Soros funded. This twitter account gives the International Corporate Globalists ‘cover’ for withdrawing ads. Don’t want the wittle Snowflakes to realize they are being had by the Corportists.

    Sleeping Giants symbol:

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  10. Gail Combs says:
    March 26, 2017 at 11:43 am

    Seems the Deplorables are fighting back.

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  12. CheshireRed says:
    March 26, 2017 at 12:27 pm

    Revise history, evidence and facts is simply what the Left do if that’s what’s needed to benefit their agenda or save their reputation. We’re seeing it right now in the UK regarding the (latest) London Westminster terror attack.

    Reasonable observers would say the repeated use of vehicles as weapons, as practiced many times around Europe by followers of Islam and in London by one Khalid Masood, also an Islamic convert, may justify a hard question or two being asked of our Islamic friends. But not the political Left! Oh no, these jokers have spent the past 4 days revising this multi-murder into ‘an ordinary, random crime committed by a disturbed, lone wolf’.

    Perish the very thought but it goes without saying that this mass killing was ‘Nothing To Do With Islam’.

    I was going to say you couldn’t make it up but hey, that’s exactly what they did. It’s hard to believe their stupidity but I promise I’m not confecting this alibi for their own policies. They do exactly the same for climate change theory because their reputations and grants really are on the line. They’re simply professional liars.

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    • Gail Combs says:
      March 26, 2017 at 1:58 pm

      UK Mirror: Secret text message ordered the ‘lone wolf’ to carry out London terror attack

      A Sunday Mirror probe has uncovered chilling messages in which jihadi masterminds urged terrorists to mount atrocities in the UK…

      Masood had been sending messages via WhatsApp in the moments before Wednesday’s attack.

      The Met Police revealed investigations suggest he acted alone.

      But details of the online exchanges will mount fresh pressure on Telegram bosses to stop extremists from using it as a platform to recruit.

      The social network site – formed by Pavel Durov, 32, in 2014 before he fled his native Russia over fears for his life – is a go-to tool for terrorists because it commands “end-to-end encryption”.

      It means security forces are unable to hack the service, which has more than 100 million active users, or intercept the information they share.

      Durov claims there is “little you can do” to stop terrorists using the service.

      Extremists used it to exchange messages after the Berlin Christmas market atrocity and the Nice terror attack.
      Messages uncovered during our probe show political leaders, Jewish schools, museums, pubs and clubs were identified as “perfect targets”.

      One message, showed to the Sunday Mirror by a source, listed a series of recent strikes mounted by IS, before asking: “So what’s next? London? Berlin? Moscow? Add your city here.”

      It then answered the question with: “Britain.”

      Another message we saw said: “To attack any individual or a ­nation’s pride and joy is to cause an utmost amount of hurt/pain to the enemies of Allah who are attached to this dunya [earthly world].”….

      Spotlight on Telegram

      Telegram has faced criticism for failing to stop jihadists using it to peddle extremism.

      Islamic State’s previous recruiting tool was Twitter – which this week claimed to have closed 376,890 terror-linked accounts.

      But Telegram’s encryption means messages are visible only to the person who has sent them and the individuals meant to receive them.
      A “lock” prevents hackers and “oppressive regimes” spying.

      Jihadist Rachid Kassim, who was killed in a drone strike last month, used Telegram to plot dozens of attacks in his native France.

      Telegram also allows IS to distribute terror manuals and their official magazine….

      Given UK libel/slander laws….

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  13. Gail Combs says:
    March 26, 2017 at 1:11 pm

    The Liberals are trotting out their usual tactics of yelling labels instead of dealing with the situation. (One of these ‘boys’ has an old deportation order already..)

    Rockville School Superintendent Says Parents’ Response to Alleged Rape Is ‘Racist

    They are claiming not rape but the sexual encounter was consensual between minors.

    The idea is to claim an age difference of LESS THAN FOUR YEARS as well as claiming that the girl agreed (Statutory Rape):

    …Maryland has several different laws that criminalize engaging in sexual behavior with a child. First, a person commits the crime of second degree rape, the most serious statutory rape offense in Maryland, by engaging in sexual intercourse with a child under the age of 14 when the defendant is at least four years older. (Md. Ann. [Crim.] Code §§ 3-304, 3-310.)
    A person who engages in a sexual act (oral and anal sex and genital penetration) with a child under the age of 14 when the defendant at least four years older than the victim commits the crime of sexual offense in the second degree in Maryland. (Md. Ann. [Crim.] Code §§ 3-301, 3-306, 3-312.)
    http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/maryland-statutory-rape-laws.htm#

    I sure as heck hope the girl’s lawers demand age estimation on the men. Actually parent should demand ALL schools with ‘dreamers’ PROVE the ‘dreamers’ are under 18. If they are not then they are ILLEGALS unprotected by Obummers travesty.
    Age estimation in youths and young adults. A summary of the needs for methodological research and development.

    …..Hand (wrist) is most common. Criteria for evaluating hand radiographs include the form and size of bone elements and the degree of epiphyseal ossification. A given image is either compared with standard images of the relevant age and sex (radiographic atlas) to determine the development stage, or the degree of maturity is determined for individual bones (single bone method) and combined to calculate an overall maturity stage…. On average the skeletal development of hand bones is complete at the age of 17 years in girls and at the age of 18 years in boys.

    Cavicle (collar bone). Evaluation of the progress of ossification of the cartilage at the sternal end of the clavicle is suggested to estimate the age of persons who are assumed to be older than 18 years, because all other developmental systems under examination have completed their growth by this time. Traditional classification systems differentiate between four stages of clavicle ossification
    (stage 1: ossification center not ossified;
    stage 2: ossification center ossified, epiphyseal plate not ossified;
    stage 3: epiphyseal plate partly ossified;
    stage 4: epiphyseal plate fully ossified), while Schmeling et al. (2004) divide the last stage into
    two additional stages (stage 4: epiphyseal plate fully ossified, epiphyseal scar visible;
    stage 5: epiphyseal plate fully ossified, epiphyseal scar no longer visible).
    If the fusion of epiphyses is complete and an epiphyseal scar is visible, it can be assumed, in the case of women, that the person is at least 20 years old, and, in the case of men, that the person is at least 21 years old. Total fusion of epiphyses with disappearance of the epiphyseal scar was first noted in both sexes at the age of 26 years at the earliest.

    OH, and parent also should go after ALL officials who condone sheltering illegals.

    Can a state/local judge, politician, law enforcement, etc. that pass and enforce “illegal sanctuary city” laws/ordinances be arrested for violate our existing federal laws when they aid and abet ILLEGAL ALIENS?

    YES!

    1907. Title 8, U.S.C. 1324(a) Offenses
    Title 8, U.S.C. § 1324(a) defines several distinct offenses related to aliens. Subsection 1324(a)(1)(i)-(v) prohibits alien smuggling, domestic transportation of unauthorized aliens, concealing or harboring unauthorized aliens, encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and abetting any of the preceding acts. Subsection 1324(a)(2) prohibits bringing or attempting to bring unauthorized aliens to the United States in any manner whatsoever, even at a designated port of entry. Subsection 1324(a)(3).
    http://www.justice.gov/usam/criminal-resource-manual-1907-title-8-usc-1324a-offenses

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  14. John Smith says:
    March 26, 2017 at 4:38 pm

    They mostly pick images that they think are cool.
    Like a dimwit in a Che’ t-shirt.
    They just think it’s a cool image.
    They like the 1930’s agitprop stuff.
    “Mid -century modern” they call it.
    Too many re-runs of 50’s and 60’s TV.
    Style goes ’round the world before substance gets out of bed.
    Laughable historical appropriation is an old story.
    There’s a giant heroic statue of Richard the Lionheart in London.
    He only spoke French and hated England.

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