Irma Conditions Similar To The 1935 Labor Day Hurricane

The most intense hurricane in US history hit the Florida Keys on September 5, 1935.  It was a very cool day across most of the US.

Compare vs. ten years earlier, when the southeastern US was extremely hot.

Conditions for Irma are very similar to 1935 with cool weather on the East Coast, and the forecast track for Irma is very similar to that of the 1935 Labor Day hurricane.

10-Day Temperature Outlook for the Conterminous U.S.

Weather Street: Tropical Storm Irma, Hurricane Irma 2017

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28 Responses to Irma Conditions Similar To The 1935 Labor Day Hurricane

  1. Andy says:

    Comment from Dr Roy Spencer just last month

    Well you are getting 2 in a month. Does that change things? No.

    Hurricanes should not be judged on whether they hit the USA or not, ie hit US important, not hit USA, not important.

    It’s completely irrelevant. You may get hit Jose too as a major hurricane, it does not matter.

    Blogs posting so many days since last hurricane are quiet now since the last one, and quiet on the fact that two will hit in a month. This tells you more about people reporting rather than anything scientific.

    No doubt if 10 Cat 5 hurricanes hit the USA this summer the AGW folk will be also commentating their spin on things too. Sad.


    • tonyheller says:

      What does that have to do with the topic of this post?

      • Andy says:

        Doesn’t matter if the land is cool or hot to be honest , it depends on other factors.

        Can you give me sea temps for those years ? That’s more relevant for the USA when it comes ashore.


          • Andy says:

            That link is pressure, not temps, which would have an affect on track.

            You posted temps, which is more to do with intensity than track. But temps over land have little effect. It is about the temps over sea, with the amount of energy the storm can harness which is the big factor.

            We have yet to see how it progresses.

            Considering 1935 cool temps tell me where Irma will landfall and at what wind speed. ????

            What’s the point with your 1935 post ? I think I am missing it.


          • AndyG55 says:

            “I think I am missing it.”

            Your scientific illiteracy means that you normally do. !

          • Gator says:

            I’m waiting for Andy to show us where he has harassed an alarmist for years on end.

            Not Andy

          • tonyheller says:

            Temperatures are controlled by high and low pressure centers. You are 100% clueless Andy.

        • sunsettommy says:

          Andy, Sea Temps are warm enough,with very low wind shear effect.It is why the storm is so big and powerful.

          Did you already fail to understand WHY Harvey moved slowly?

        • Squidly says:

          News Flash: Sea temperatures in the central Atlantic in summer are always warm enough for hurricanes. ALWAYS!

          Tony is correct, you haven’t the first clue how our weather or climate works.

  2. Latitude says:

    NHC is driving us all crazy down here……

  3. RAH says:

    This morning Joe Bastardi believes the most likely track for Irma is a hit on the Florida East coast then tracking up to hit the Carolinas.

    The argument about increased SSTS is a false one. Alarmists have yet to produce the science that shows that increased atmospheric CO2 has increased tropical SSTs. Then they have to show a correlation between those tropical SSTs and the power of the storms on the record. Then, since correlation does not necessarily imply causation they have to scientifically close the loop showing that it is increased atmospheric CO2 that is causing higher SSTS and those higher SSTs are increasing hurricane intensity and not natural variation. To do so they will have to explain events when super powerful hurricanes were produced when CO2 levels are at around 300 ppm or even lower. Such as the labor day 1935 hurricane when levels were at about 300 ppm.

  4. Andy DC says:

    So what is he trying to say? During the years hurricanes hit, sea water temperture are warmer and during years they don’t hit the water is cooler? That should be easy enough to check out. Just tell us how warm sea water was during the years 2006-2016 and compare that to the sea water temperatures during 2017. You don’t need to mindlessly speculate, the data is out there for all to see. If you get your results published in a peer reviewed paper, you can pretend to be an expert. Otherwise, you are just wasting everyone’s time.

  5. Ron Hotchkiss says:

    The sea surface temp this time of year (every year) anywhere south of New Jersey and close to the US is warm enough for powerful hurricanes. Temps will be warm enough thru mid October

    • Gerald Machnee says:

      It’s not really worth replying to but I will.
      Another writer who knows nothing. The answer to that is that if the USA would have started fighting climate change after the Civil War they would have eliminated the great Hurricane that hit Galveston.
      See, I have the answers.

    • AndyG55 says:

      What a load of MORONIC BULLSHIT !!

      SUVs have absolutely NOTHING to do with any of these NATURAL disasters.

      The REAL problem is the incredible amount of money WASTED on the non-existent CO2 issue.

      Feel free to produce one single paper showing empirically that CO2 causes warming in our convective atmosphere.

    • AndyG55 says:

      Only a complete moron would think that Tropical Monsoons in India, Bangladesh etc were in any way abnormal

      I can understand that the first hurricane in 11 or so years, would upset a pre-pubescent far-left teenage mind. !..

      Its almost as though these arrogant egotistical fools have absolutely ZERO inkling of history, and think that the world only started when they were born !!

    • sunsettommy says:

      Another stupid alarmist article,especially since it was the FIRST Category 3+ hurricane to make landfall since October 2005.

      Death rate from Hurricanes have dropped a lot over the last 150 years too. The article is pure stupidity.

      Leftists are mentally ill people,who can’t piece together a coherent rational thought on anything.

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      Mark Hertsgaard is, like, literally a climate parent.

  6. Douglas Hoyt says:

    Just a note for the record, the Weather Channel reported that sustained winds of Irma were 41 mph at a location 51 miles from the center of the hurricane. That is a pretty fast drop off wind speeds from 180 mph at the eye wall which is about 12 miles from the center. If the drop off is linear, that is 4 mph slower for every mile further from the eye wall.

  7. John Niclasen says:

    Tony, you should cover this clown:

    Richard Branson:
    “Man-made climate change is a key factor in the increasing intensity of these hurricanes, as many experts have suggested. The damage caused by Harvey all over Texas is a tragic and costly reminder that our climate is changing and that we are not doing enough to tackle this enormous challenge. If Irma is any indication, we must brace ourselves for more of these catastrophic weather events. How much cheaper and smarter to support the Paris Agreement and move to clean energy?”


    If you plot ACE for the Atlantic Basin on a logarithmic scale, it is easier to see the periodicity, and Branson can look forward to falling energy to produce hurricanes from for the rest of his life – even if the Paris Agreement is abandoned.


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