Ice-Free Arctic Methane Catastrophe By 2015

Posted on September 17, 2017 by tonyheller

Leftists demonstrate no skill, understanding, discernment or shame. They simply repeat the same lies over and over again – without any regret.

Ice-free Arctic in two years heralds methane catastrophe – scientist | Environment | The Guardian

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26 Responses to Ice-Free Arctic Methane Catastrophe By 2015

  1. Steve Case says:
    September 17, 2017 at 9:33 pm

    Methane? You mean that green house gas that is 86 times more powerful at trapping heat than CO2? Really? So tell me, how much is methane going to run up global temperatures by 2100 if the current rate of increase continues – business as usual?

    I say it’s perhaps as much as 0.05 K.

    If President Trump actually convenes a red team blue team dialog, I hope this particular methane bomb bullshit statistic makes the cut.

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    • Anon says:
      September 18, 2017 at 12:21 am

      The last thing these guys want is a Red Team – Blue Team dialog:

      How Government Twists Climate Statistics

      Obama Former Energy Department Undersecretary Steven Koonin on how bureaucrats spin scientific data.

      http://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-journal-how-government-twists-climate-statistics/80027CBC-2C36-4930-AB0B-9C3344B6E199.html

      The late Stephen Schneider, who authored The Genesis Strategy, a 1976 book warning that global cooling risks posed a threat to humanity, later changed that view 180 degrees, serving as a lead author for important parts of three sequential IPCC reports. In a quotation published in Discover, he said: “On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method, on the other hand, we are not just scientists, but human beings as well. And like most people, we’d like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climatic change. To do that, we need to get some broad-based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of the doubts we might have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.”

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/02/05/in-their-own-words-climate-alarmists-debunk-their-science/2/#48a514945c47

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      • Andy DC says:
        September 18, 2017 at 1:42 am

        You mean that you have so much contempt for us that you can lie through your teeth and actually believe that no one will ever notice? Nice try, but there are too many smart people out there for you to get away with it.

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  2. frederik wisse says:
    September 17, 2017 at 11:26 pm

    Follow the money : How many are the benefits of professor Wadhams for his totally misplaced climate-alarmism ? Does he have any knowledge of thermo-dynamics or any specific knowledge about the rapid breakdown of methane in the earth atmosphere ?
    Please take extra care when he starts to introduce children in his arguments . How many people has he tried to brainwash in the meantime ?

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    • Colorado Wellington says:
      September 18, 2017 at 2:36 am

      “Please take extra care when he starts to introduce children in his arguments . How many people has he tried to brainwash in the meantime ?”

      Oh, you didn’t …

      They started a century ago. Trying to brainwash how many? All.

      The state is responsible for the upbringing of children
      …
      But here too, the workers’ state will come to replace the family, society will gradually take upon itself all the tasks that before the revolution fell to the individual parents.
      …
      Communist society will come to the aid of the parents. In Soviet Russia the Commissariats of Public Education and of Social Welfare are already doing much to assist the family. We already have homes for very small babies, creches, kindergartens, children’s colonies and homes, hospitals and health resorts for sick children, restaurants, free lunches at school and free distribution of text books, warm clothing and shoes to schoolchildren. All this goes to show that the responsibility for the child is passing from the family to the collective.
      …
      Communist society considers the social education of the rising generation to be one of the fundamental aspects of the new life. The old family, narrow and petty, where the parents quarrel and are only interested in their own offspring, is not capable of educating the “new person”.
      …
      Working mothers have no need to be alarmed; communist not intending to take children away from their parents or to tear the baby from the breast of its mother, and neither is it planning to take, violent measures to destroy the family. No such thing! The aims of communist society are quite different.
      …
      Communist society has this to say to the working woman and working man: “You are young, you love each other. Everyone has the right to happiness. Therefore live your life. Do not flee happiness. Do not fear marriage, even though under capitalism marriage was truly a chain of sorrow. Do not be afraid of having children. Society needs more workers and rejoices at the birth of every child. You do not have to worry about the future of your child; your child will know neither hunger nor cold.” Communist society takes care of every child and guarantees both him and his mother material and moral support. Society will feed, bring up and educate the child. At the same time, those parents who desire to participate in the education of their children will by no, means be prevented from doing so. Communist society will take upon itself all the duties involved in the education of the child …
      …
      Alexandra Kollontai, Communism and the Family, 1920

      https://www.marxists.org/archive/kollonta/1920/communism-family.htm

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      • Colorado Wellington says:
        September 18, 2017 at 3:07 am

        The people will not get confused by inflammatory bourgeois rhetoric about thermodynamics and by words like brainwashing. You see, it’s all for society’s good. Maybe not for you, personally, if you are too old and reactionary, but it is good for the new persons. They need experienced social justice warriors like Peter Wadhams to help them build the heaven on earth to which humanity has been aspiring for centuries …

        “Communist society wants bright healthy children and strong, happy young people, free in their feelings and affections. In the name of equality, liberty and the comradely love of the new marriage we call upon the working and peasant men and women, to apply themselves courageously and with faith to the work of rebuilding human society, in order to render it more perfect, more just and more capable of ensuring the individual the happiness which he or she deserves. The red flag of the social revolution … is now being hoisted aloft in other countries of the world [to] proclaim the approach of the heaven on earth to which humanity has been aspiring for centuries.”

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      • Texas Sharp-shooter says:
        September 18, 2017 at 3:45 am

        Hey, CW, it’s just that nobody has got it right. The Russians, they were agrarian and Marx was meant for city folk. The Germans had it going on and then that whole Hitler thing came up. Mossedeh, Trujillo, Lamumba, Allende, they woulda, shoulda, coulda except for the CIA, THOSE BASTARDS!

        Venezuela would be a workers paradise except for the lack of natural resources. Sadly, my son came home from high school one day and actually informed me that it was just nobody did Marxism right.

        Not true, I remarked, seemed to work fairly well in the early church and spiritual communities generally and in families that love eachother. Otherwise all it is is a well engineered program to rise to power; works well too.

        Not worried about my son. First pass at bright shiny ideas can throw you off. Like Churchill said, he has a heart and that’s not a crime

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        • Colorado Wellington says:
          September 18, 2017 at 4:54 am

          I would not worry about him, either. High school is a confusing age. Besides, a fascinating argument has been made that Socialism still hasn’t been done right.

          Sometime after the disintegration of the Soviet Bloc, a self-identified Colorado Commie named Steve Montoya was explaining his political and economic theories on Ken Hamblin’s radio program. Why did he expect Communism to work here after it failed everywhere it had been tried, the “Black Avenger” Ken wanted to know.

          Steve Montoya answered without hesitation “We are Americans, we can do everything better!”

          I always knew that trained Marxists had no problem finding an answer in their universal theory of the universe to any conceivable question but I didn’t expect this garden-fresh variety of American Exceptionalism.

          We are Americans! We can do it better! National Socialism! All-American!

          Yeah!

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        • Gail Combs says:
          September 18, 2017 at 10:19 am

          “…seemed to work fairly well in the early church and spiritual communities generally and in families that love eachother….”

          I am afraid that is just another Progressive hoax.

          It worked OK in monasteries where loyalty to your family had already been severed so did not interfere or in extended clan situations where everyone WAS family, but that is about it.

          SEE: The Great Thanksgiving Hoax about how the Great Social Experiment actually worked.

          … This official story is nothing like what really happened. It is a fairy tale, a whitewashed and sanitized collection of half-truths which divert attention away from Thanksgiving’s real meaning….

          The problem with this official story is that the harvest of 1621 was not bountiful, nor were the colonists hard-working or tenacious. 1621 was a famine year and many of the colonists were lazy thieves.

          In his History of Plymouth Plantation, the governor of the colony, William Bradford, reported that the colonists went hungry for years because they refused to work in the field. They preferred instead to steal food. He says the colony was riddled with “corruption,” and with “confusion and discontent.” The crops were small because “much was stolen both by night and day, before it became scarce eatable.”….

          …had required that “all profits & benefits that are got by trade, traffic, trucking, working, fishing, or any other means” were to be placed in the common stock of the colony, and that, “all such persons as are of this colony, are to have their meat, drink, apparel, and all provisions out of the common stock.” A person was to put into the common stock all he could, and take only what he needed.

          This “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need” was an early form of socialism, and it is why the Pilgrims were starving. Bradford writes that “young men that were most able and fit for labor and service” complained about being forced to “spend their time and strength to work for other men’s wives and children.” Also, “the strong, or man of parts, had no more in division of victuals and clothes, than he that was weak.” So the young and strong refused to work and the total amount of food produced was never adequate.

          To rectify this situation, in 1623 Bradford abolished socialism. He gave each household a parcel of land and told them they could keep what they produced, or trade it away as they saw fit. In other words, he replaced socialism with a free market, and that was the end of the famines….

          Read that again:
          “….was an early form of socialism, and it is why the Pilgrims were starving. Bradford writes that “young men that were most able and fit for labor and service” complained about being forced to “spend their time and strength to work for other men’s wives and children.” Also, “the strong, or man of parts, had no more in division of victuals and clothes, than he that was weak.” So the young and strong refused to work and the total amount of food produced was never adequate.

          So even in a society composed of very religious people, the loyalty to family TRUMPS the loyalty to the group and people DEMANDED they be compensated fairly for their labor or they would not work!!!
          ………….

          This short article is so powerful, because it is backed up by the ” History of Plymouth Plantation”written by the governor, William Bradford. The Commies went into a frenzy about the truth revealed and furiously wrote articles about how this was all a lie.
          …………

          HOWEVER the commies learned their lesson from this Great Social Experiment. If communism was to work the ties between family and members had to be broken.

          So you had the attack on American Farming Communities right after WWII by the Committee for Economic Development (CED), the sister organization to the Committee on Foreign Relations (CED). The CED dealt with internal affairs. The CED decided there were ‘Too Many Farmers’ and the ‘Farm Problem’ had to be dealt with so they came up with a plan to bankrupt American farmers break up American FAmilies and Communities and drive people into the cities to become wage slaves. link

          But the Rockefellers and other Elite were not through with the destruction of the US culture.
          CONTINUED

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          • arn says:
            September 18, 2017 at 11:24 am

            So many of the early colonists have been lazy parasitic pricks who feeded themselves from others hands work.

            That”s so progressive,so bolshevik-
            as in Russia&China the few idealistic usefull idiots((the horses in Orwells animal farm))and those in Gulags
            worked like animals
            for all the rest ,
            to feed the children&families of others((sounds so welcome-refugee to me))
            And as they were not able to produce enough
            famine was the result((besides bolsheviks killed of
            huge parts of population to ‘adjust’ population numbers to the produced food))

            Punish the worker-reward the parasite= communism.

            That would not be the problem,but communism is so universal that it works the very same way in educational terms.

            Those who think for themselves get punished,
            while the lazy dumbfucks who just parrot things are the heroes.

            Proletarian:an artificial 100% dependent and perverted human being ,created to operate on the lowest level
            ((no culture,can not feed himself,can not
            think for himself,low concentration span,won’t take responsibility for his own children,hedonistic,primitive=therefore worships big state,because completly dependent on the state))
            acting in every possible against every natural human behaviour which has lead to culture and development all over the world.

          • Gail Combs says:
            September 18, 2017 at 12:56 pm

            arn,
            Those parasites are in for a YUGE surprise when the Elite finally achieve their Communist Goals. H/T SxyxS

            The Elite have been very upfront with their plans.

            Or as Ted Turner, founder of CNN and the UN Foundation bluntly put it during an interview with Audubon magazine.
            “A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.” – Source: The book You Don’t Say, by Fred Gielow, 1999, page 189.

            After all the Elite do not NEED 7 billion people cluttering up the place and possibly revolting again as they did in 1776. 250-300 million are plenty of people to staff the farms and factories so the Elite and their suck-ups can live in luxury.

            So how do they pick and choose who lives who dies?

            Straight from Fabian co-founder George Bernard Shaw

            KILLING THOSE “UNFIT TO LIVE”
            “The moment we face it frankly we are driven to the conclusion that the community has a right to put a price on the right to live in it … If people are fit to live, let them live under decent human conditions. If they are not fit to live, kill them in a decent human way. Is it any wonder that some of us are driven to prescribe the lethal chamber as the solution for the hard cases which are at present made the excuse for dragging all the other cases down to their level, and the only solution that will create a sense of full social responsibility in modern populations?”

            Source: George Bernard Shaw, Prefaces (London: Constable and Co., 1934), p. 296.

            “Under Socialism, you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you liked it or not. If it were discovered that you had not character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner; but whilst you were permitted to live, you would have to live well.”

            George Bernard Shaw: The Intelligent Woman’s Guide to Socialism and Capitalism, 1928, pg. 470

            And just to confirm this is the plan you can look at the numbers DEMOCIDE: Death by Government

        • Gail Combs says:
          September 18, 2017 at 10:54 am

          Once Americans were moved out of farming communities, they were made itinerant wage slaves, moving from city to city as their jobs disappeared or were given to H1B Visa holders. Therefore Americans never got a chance to reform a community.

          Once this was done the nuclear family was attacked. When I was a girl, having a child out of wedlock was condemned by the community. Now it is ‘celebrated’ as a badge of Woman’s Emancipation.

          What happened????

          A decade after the CED — “In its 1945 report “Agriculture in an Expanding Economy,” ..complained that “the excess of human resources engaged in agriculture is probably the most important single factor in the ‘farm problem'” and describes how agricultural production can be better organized to fit to business needs.” — The Elite set their sights on the Church as the next stumbling block on their way to a global world government.

          This was accomplished via Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson’s 1954 IRS gag order for Churches (funny how it does not apply to Muslims.)

          …. Johnson had it in mind to silence the church and eliminate the significant influence the church had always had on shaping “public policy.”

          … One need not look far to see the devastating effects 501c3 acceptance has had to the church, and the consequent restrictions placed upon any 501c3 church. 501c3 churches are prohibited from addressing, in any tangible way, the vital issues of the day….

          Once any real opposition from communities or churches was out of the way, The Rockefeller Foundation Funded ‘Womens Lib’

          …Behind the façade of “women’s rights”, Feminism teaches that heterosexual roles (wife, mother etc) are socially constructed by MEN and oppressive to WOMEN. This underscores the fact that feminism was created to destabilize the society and undermine the institution of family. Aaron Russo says, the two key reasons given by Nicholas Rockefeller were

          Before women’s lib we couldn’t tax half of the population
          Can indoctrinate kids in school at early ages. When there is no male figure in the family, kids start seeing the State as their family who provide and protect.

          American feminist icon Gloria Steinem, (an ex CIA agent) proudly claims in one of her own books that CIA funded Ms Magazine with the stated goal of breaking up the families and taxing women. (Divide and conquer policy)

          Nearly one in three American children is living with a parent who is divorced, separated or never-married. A study by the Pew Research Center highlights rapidly changing notions of the American family where 4 in 10 say marriage is becoming obsolete in US….

          EDUCATION —> continued

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          • arn says:
            September 18, 2017 at 11:35 am

            That thing about Lyndon B Johnson is very interessting.
            I think he always was Plan B for the elite in case JFK should start to behave in a way the elites do not want him_eg.executiv order 11110(to eliminate cia&FED) which was istantly removed by Lyndon B. when JFK was shot.
            -further results:
            Vietnam war started,Free Shit Army programm started,
            drug smuggling(heroin from vietnam by cia&mayer lansky) started to
            redirect the free shit money back to cia
            and destroy culture,families etc.

            Btw-Miss Gail.
            Have you ever watched the funeral of Lyndon B’s wife Ladybird??
            It was a very bizarre ceremony,but as i am not very familiar with christian burials i do not know wether this was just a ‘longhorn-thing’ or more something related to the bohemian grove ceremony.
            Do you know more about it?

          • Gail Combs says:
            September 18, 2017 at 1:04 pm

            Arn, I am an agnostic, some of the others here might be able to answer that.

            I do know that Roger Stone swears that it was LBJ behind Kennedy’s death and at this point I would not be at all surprised.

            After Kennedy you had Reagan who managed to survive but his VP was CIA – Bush. Reagan went along with several Anti-USA programs, like the Leveraged buyout feeding frenzy that wiped out many many midlevel US companies transferring the wealth to Globalists, as well as AMNESTY — we never did get the wall that was promised in return.

            Bush granddaddy, Samuel, worked for ….
            Wait for it!…
            The Rockefellers. ?

        • Gail Combs says:
          September 18, 2017 at 12:31 pm

          With education, the Elite started early with “John Dewey who is usually characterized as the father of progressive education.”

          In 1894, Dewey was appointed head of the department of philosophy, psychology and education at the University of Chicago which had been established two years earlier by a gift from John D. Rockefeller

          ….Dewey’s philosophy had evolved from Hegelian idealism to socialist materialism, and the purpose of the school was to show how education could be changed to produce little socialists and collectivists instead of little capitalists and individualists. It was expected that these little socialists, when they became voting adults, would dutifully change the American economic system into a socialist one.

          In order to do so he analyzed the traditional curriculum that sustained the capitalist, individualistic system and found what he believed was the sustaining linchpin — that is, the key element that held the entire system together: high literacy. To Dewey, the greatest obstacle to socialism was the private mind that seeks knowledge in order to exercise its own private judgment and intellectual authority. High literacy gave the individual the means to seek knowledge independently. It gave individuals the means to stand on their own two feet and think for themselves. This was detrimental to the “social spirit” needed to bring about a collectivist society.…

          This is why, no matter how much money, no matter how many laws are written, US education continually gets worse and leans further and further to the left. Until we end up with an Antifa – Organizer teaching “future dead cops” at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. link That professor, Mike Isaacson, is one of the founders of Smash Racism D.C., an antifa organization in Washington. — thehillDOTcom/policy/national-security/350524-antifa-activists-say-violence-is-necessary

          Not content to grab children and start brainwashing them at the age of five, Progressives advanced to targeting babies.
          First they targeted child rearing practices. The Hand that Rocked the Cradle: A Critical Analysis of Rockefeller Philanthropic Funding, 1920-1960

          George Joseph Hecht (November 1, 1895 – April 23, 1980) was the founder and publisher of Parents magazine and owner of FAO Schwarz. He is often credited with creating the parenting advice industry through his many publications….

          …Hecht received funding from the Laura Spelman Rockefeller Memorial Foundation to launch Parents magazine in September 1926. It quickly became the most widely circulated magazine dedicated to parenting in the world, leading Hecht to launch a variety of other journals aimed at parents and children, including The Boy’s and Girl’s Newspaper, Your New Baby, Children’s Digest, and Humpty Dumpty, which became the most popular children’s magazine in the United States….
          (wwwDOT)revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=George%20J.%20Hecht

          DAYCARES — Continued

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          • arn says:
            September 18, 2017 at 1:59 pm

            Thx for your response.

            btw- i already knew that old samuel bush was working for/with rockefeller when building the railroads
            and during WW2 prescott bush helped financing hitler just like the rockefellers.
            Hitler in return did not touch the ultimate jackpot=banksters paradise=superrich Swiss,
            while waging senseless wars against poor countries at the end of the world= russia and sweden and Hitler created the central Bank of all central banks= BiS in the swiss with the help of norman montague.
            (without Hitler= no demonising of nationality=no anti nation propaganda possible= one may think hitler was created on purpose for hegelian dialectic reasons.

        • Gail Combs says:
          September 18, 2017 at 12:36 pm

          Then, once they convinced women they had to work outside the home, (so their labor was taxable) they targeted Daycare centers. Daycare HAD TO BE GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED for the complete indoctrination of future little socialists.

          They did it with the help of the MSM, psychologists, and gov. sociologists and FLAT OUT LYING!

          The Fells Acres Nightmare where innocent people ended up dying in jail even though new evidence showed they had done nothing wrong. (Boy do I hate politicians)

          This explains HOW it was done: Ritual abuse cases in day care centers

          And if all that indoctrination doesn’t work, there is always The Drugging of Our children

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        • Gail Combs says:
          September 18, 2017 at 12:39 pm

          The final solution by the progressives is SHAMING and then violence if that does not work.

          we’re seeing the meme pushed regarding one’s whiteness being a crime. Colleges and universities are offering classes (going to be required) about checking that “white privilege.” And may the Good Lord help you if you happen to be a supporter of President Trump. The racist label is stamped on your forehead…

          The Left isn’t going to go away. Not with them being free to be violent towards decent American people whose only crime is being a supporter of President Trump. Didn’t hear much about G. Brooks Jennings who was killed by his Leftist neighbor all because he supported Trump. It’s why we can’t tell people who we voted for, or leave stickers on our cars. In hushed tones we carefully have conversation…only feeling free to speak once we know we’re with like-minded Americans.
          But just as they push transgenders into our children’s bathrooms, they’ll keep pushing Leftist violence.
          We’ve paid a price for fighting the Left. We’ve paid a price for voting for President Trump. As long as we let the real Fascists get away with breaking the laws, and this includes the rotted media, we’ll never get this country back.
          The same purpose exists whether it’s with #UniteRight organized to protest on behalf of a cause, or people going to a Donald Trump rally. If the Antifa/BLM could get at us or know who voted for Trump…they would do violence.
          The irony is that they don’t see that the fire they lit will eventually consume them as well as others.

          http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/2017/08/13/charlottesville-once-again-the-malignant-media-paints-a-false-narrative/

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      • Kris Johanson says:
        September 18, 2017 at 2:15 pm

        “Do not be afraid of having children. Society needs more workers and rejoices at the birth of every child”

        “Workers” is a communist word. We should abolish it. Where there is freedom and individuals are actually valued, you have “entrepreneurs, business people, creators, scientists, farmers, musicians, home makers, athletes, nurses…..”

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        • Colorado Wellington says:
          September 18, 2017 at 3:57 pm

          You can’t abolish the word! It was fine for 70 years when the Russians played nice with American Progressives. And what would Manhattan Democrats call undocumented domestic workers, huh?

          The Daily Worker was a newspaper published in New York City by the Communist Party USA, a formerly Comintern-affiliated organization. Publication began in 1924.
          …
          Notable contributors to its pages included Robert Minor and Fred Ellis (cartoonists), Lester Rodney (sports editor), David Karr, Richard Wright, John L. Spivak, Peter Fryer, Woody Guthrie and Louis Budenz.
          …
          In politics, the Daily Worker consistently adhered to a Stalinist party line from the time of Joseph Stalin’s rise to power in the Soviet Union. The paper maintained a series of correspondents in Moscow, including Vern Smith in the middle 1930s, who invariably depicted Soviet reality in the most favorable light.

          But so did Walter Duranty and The New York Times! And how could you abolish the Democratic Party or Bernie’s campaign materials?

          The Farmer-Labor Train
Words and Music by Woody Guthrie

          From the high Canadian Rockies to the land of Mexico,

          City and the country, wherever you may go,

          Through the wild and windy weather, the sun and sleet and rain,

          Comes a-whistlin’ through the country this Farmer-Labor train.

          Listen to the jingle and the rumble and the roar,

          She’s rollin’ through New England to the West Pacific shore.

          It’s a long time we’ve been waitin’, now she’s been whistlin’ ’round the bend,

          Roll on into Congress on that Farmer-Labor train.

          There’s lumberjacks and teamsters and sailors from the sea,

          There’s farmin’ boys from Texas and the hills of Tennessee,

          There’s miners from Kentucky, there’s fishermen from Maine;

          Every worker in the country rides that Farmer-Labor train.
          —–
          Republican fascists, bound to lose …

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  3. John Smith says:
    September 18, 2017 at 3:32 am

    Be careful!

    Apparently, Canada now investigates climate denials ….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUKtL77vE7U

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