Differentiating Between Weather And Climate

A few hours of mild weather in Greenland during April, 2016 was alarming, and scientists were stunned.

Greenland ice sheet starts melting alarmingly early amid record temperatures | The Independent

Almost all of 2016 had below normal melting, and that was just weather – but one warm day in April was alarming climate.

Greenland Ice Sheet Surface Mass Budget: DMI

This year hasn’t seen any significant melting.

Greenland Ice Sheet Surface Mass Budget: DMI

And Greenland is very cold.

Ventusky – Wind, Rain and Temperature Maps


Scientists tell us that the imaginary melting is the fastest rate in centuries.

West Greenland Ice Sheet melting at the fastest rate in centuries …

All information which impacts climate science funding is either labeled as cherry-picking or declared to be weather, not climate. But any warm weather, real or imaginary, is climate. 

Nothing new about this however, climate experts have been pulling the same BS since at least 1871.

every season is sure to be “extraordinary,” almost every month one of the driest or wettest, or windiest, coldest or hottest, ever known. Much observation, which ought to correct a tendency to exaggerate, seems in some minds to have rather a tendency to increase it.

  • January 10, 1871


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23 Responses to Differentiating Between Weather And Climate

  1. Griff says:

    scientists were rightly alarmed because of when in the year this anomaly happened. above zero C at the Pole in the darkness of winter is an exceptional event (and not unrelated to all that winter cold dumped over the US y’all have been complaining about)

    • Gator says:

      Scientists were not alarmed. However, grantologists and genocidal a55holes did drool.

      • Anon says:

        While Griff was looking North:

        Sahara Desert covered in 15 inches of SNOW as freak weather blankets sand dunes

        PUBLISHED: 07:06, Wed, Jan 10, 2018

        More than 15 inches (40cm) has blanketed sand dunes across the small town of Ain Sefra, Algeria.

        It is the second time snow has hit in nearly 40 years, with a dusting also recorded in December 2016.

        But this snowfall which hit on Sunday, is much deeper than the fleeting shower little more than a year ago.

        Locals, who endure temperatures of 37C in summer, were stunned as dense snow settled on the town, known as ‘the gateway to the desert’.


    • Frank K. says:

      “above zero C at the Pole in the darkness of winter is an exceptional event …”

      This would be true, except that the event being discussed happened in the middle of April in 2016…

      Some additional information for Griff. From 2016…

      “An early melt event occurred on April 10 through April 15, encompassing the central western and southeastern Greenland coastal areas. The event was a result of a large pulse of mid-Atlantic air moving northward, bringing record warm air to the entire ice sheet and rain along the western coast. Approximately 10 percent of the ice sheet surface melted on April 11, dropping to 5 percent on April 12 and less on later days. A melt event of similar magnitude occurred on April 6 to 9 of 2012, which became the current record surface melt and melt-runoff season for the satellite era (since 1978)…”


      “Exceptional event”?

    • Stewart Pid says:

      Ha Ha …. I knew that Griff, the resident bed wetter would be posting that it was unprecedented and worse than he thought it would be. The sky is falling, the sky is falling.
      Griff, the only thing that appears to be unprecedented is your stupidity & gullibility.

    • Latitude says:

      Any thing to do with ice…..Griff is always the first post
      Tony’s posts must be having a huge effect

      • AndyG55 says:

        Poor little cis-whatever must sit at his computer consuming red cordial, just wetting himself in anticipation. !!

  2. Hivemind says:

    In these days of publish or perish, there is an amazing amount of noise as every scientist is shouting at the top of their lungs. It is necessary to make extraordinary claims to be heard above the background shouting. Unfortunately the journals don’t test extraordinary claims with extraordinary skepticism. They just go with the flow and publish anything that supports the revenue stream.

  3. arn says:

    I’m still wondering why the scientists are stil not alarmed and stunned by the unusually cold weather in north america-
    instead they are busy with nitpicking.

    Climate science is like sitting in a burning bar and everyone is ignoring the fire
    but as soon as you forget to stub out your cigarrette properley everyone inside the bar will start to attack you because the glow may start a fire.

  4. Mark Fife says:

    Here in middle Georgia, just outside the town of West Point, April has been an exceptionally cold month. It looked like it might warm up for Easter, but that was just a tease. It is flat out cold and has been all year.

    The interesting thing is the dogwood trees, azaleas, red buds, jonquils, and so forth bloomed right on time as if it were in the 70°s instead of in the 50°s. The famous wave of green pine pollen we usually have came and went, perhaps a bit subdued. That was mainly due to the fact there has only been one Sunday this year where it didn’t rain. Pine pollen is big and heavy and a good rain knocks it right down. So you get it, rainy and cold is the order of the day down here in the sunny south.

    So why didn’t the cold push the blooming time out? It was right on schedule with the Masters in Augusta. I am guessing it is all about the Sun. We are right where we are supposed to be and the Sun is hitting us with spring time energy. That is what the dogwoods and azaleas care about. So long as a late frost doesn’t come and kill the buds.

    Why do I mention this? Because it relates, that’s why. These bone heads somehow think temperature at 1.5 meters above the ground is a measure of how much energy the ground is receiving. And how much energy the ground receives defines climate. That is the argument is it not? because increased CO2 in the air is supposed to increase the amount of energy the ground receives. Just increasing the air temperature doesn’t cut it, because all that does is trigger convection just a tad bit more. That is what our atmosphere does, it transports energy up.

    No, for global warming to be a thing CO2 has to increase the amount of energy the ground receives.

    Here in the South, right now, the sun is up and shining, the ground is getting spring time levels of energy and the air is cold. Why is that? It is called weather.

    Okay, so last week up in Greenland the snow and ice sheet was receiving the normal April level off energy like always, but it was warm enough to build enough surface temperature to cause things to melt. Again, that is just weather.

    None of which means jack diddley concerning global warming. None of it. This is perhaps the biggest wad of cow puck of the entire stupid mess. Temperature goes up and down all the time everywhere based upon 101 different reasons. Temperature is nothing more than a somewhat correlated proxy for energy. As I have just demonstrated, that proxy is often way off. That is the case right now just outside where I am sitting. The temperature inside my car is pretty danged close to what it should be right now, but the air temperature outside is maybe 20 degrees low.

    If you really wanted to demonstrate the proof to the pudding as it were, you would be measuring energy, not temperature. And yes, you can do that. Quite readily in fact. The temperature right now inside my car is a more accurate reflection of that than the air temperature.

    These scientists are really quite dumb when you get down to it.

    End of rant.

    • just a thought says:

      Two (and a half) comments,

      1st. – “These bone heads somehow think temperature at 1.5 meters above the ground is a measure of how much energy the ground is receiving.”

      SWEET! One of those who realize it is ENERGY, not temperature that is the key.

      2nd. – “We are right where we are supposed to be and the Sun is hitting us with spring time energy. That is what the dogwoods and azaleas care about.”

      Actually, it’s a bit more complicate. Plants have both light duration and temperature/heat sensors, so temperature/heat isn’t the only trigger.

      Another problem with their assumptions is that they think plant evolution locked in plant behavior. That prevents them from appreciating the amazing resilience of not only plants, but of all life.

      1/2th. – Nice rant.

    • MrZ says:

      “These bone heads somehow think temperature at 1.5 meters above the ground is a measure of how much energy the ground is receiving.”

      You are not fair here Mark. It is the temperature at 1.5 meters above the ground measured and ADJUSTED that gives the proper energy figure.

      Back radiation is true and you can test it yourself. On a really hot and sunny day close your eyes and let the sun’s rays warm your forehead. Lit a match and hold it at an arms length distance between your head and the sun. Now feel the burning sensation from the extra energy added by the match. CO2 does the same it sort of turbo boosts the sun rays.

      (sarc on both for those who does not appreciate irony)

      • Mark Fife says:

        Problem solved. Always place light bulbs next to each other between two very thin metal plates which have been painted black.

        Not only will you have plenty of light but you should be able to cook a turkey come Thanksgiving.

  5. Andy DC says:

    When Greenland had mild spells in 1920 and 1940, why weren’t humans blamed for that?

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      Climate science has not discovered weather conversion methods until the second half of the 20th century.

      Only after climate science merged with political science did progressive scientists learn how to convert mild spells to cash.

      • Mark Fife says:

        Bill Nye is saying “pooh wa” which in pinhead speak means “poor” by which he means send cash and lots of it. If he were actually cool he would be asking for lawyers, guns, and money. We no longer have Warren Zevon but we still have Bill Nye. Which means we got the short end of that cosmic stick.

  6. just a thought says:

    I am really getting sick of these idiots always yelling “WOLF! WOLF!” at the slightest imagined provocation. It’s gotten to the point that the (expletive deleted) wolf is less dangerous than they are.

    • Robertv says:

      ‘THEY’ are very dangerous and evil and always have been. Climate is just 1 of the many tools they use to take your rights away. Nothing new here. Of Course the digital age has made it much easier to control big populations. Smart-phone, smart-meter, smart-cities, smart-tv etc etc Big Brother Government is watching now all the time. No land of the free anymore just a smaller and smaller prison.

      • Griff says:

        If you want to worry about that stuff, check out the software called ‘Palantir’… half of you US folks are in the system

        • Gator says:

          Once again Ms Griff has half the story…

          Palantir Technologies Inc., the data mining company named after the all-seeing stone from the Lord of the Rings, likes to apply J.R.R. Tolkien references to many aspects of its business. The name of its London office is Grey Havens, a major strategic port in the fantasy trilogy’s Middle Earth setting.

          It’s an apt moniker since the U.K. capital has become a vital hub driving growth of the $20 billion startup. Palantir has roughly tripled annual revenue from Europe over the past three years, said Alex Karp, the chief executive officer who started the company with billionaire Peter Thiel.


          Technology worries some people the way cars stimulate some dogs.

  7. Brad says:

    Arctic is probably gonna melt early, greenland is gonna stay cold for a very long time in may.

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