Sixty years ago this week, the USS Skate surfaced at the North Pole. Arctic sea ice was two meters thick.
The Changing Face of the Arctic; The Changing Face of the Arctic – The New York Times
Compare the North Pole in 1958, to what it looks like 60 years later.
The Bush family immediately recognized it as an opportunity to wage war with Russia.
13 Aug 1958, 1 – Star-Gazette at Newspapers.com
So nothing has changed over the last 60 years. The ice is still two meters thick, and the Bush family still wants war with Russia.
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Tony,
Sorry this is off topic. But what would be really useful is a video entitled:
Climate Science: Contradictions & Failed Predictions.
Just headlines and news paper articles.
Contradictions like:
North East needs to be prepared for the end of Skiing
North East needs to be prepared for 20 mores years of Blizzards.
Prime Minister of Tuvalu claims Climate Change like weapon of mass destruction
aimed at Nation
Tuvalu has been growing since 1950s scientists claim.
Hurricanes predicted to be numerous and severe due to Climate Change.
Climate Change behind 18 year Hurricane Drought.
Ice Free North Pole predicted for: 1930 – 1956 – 2000 – 2008
You would not even have to talk, just set it to music, mockumentary style.
Currently I have a desk load of these to show others my frustration, but clicking a video would be more powerful. (If there are enough of them?)
Anyway, I know you are busy… just take it as a suggestion for the future.
Thanks for everything you do do!
The ice isn’t 2 m thick… the modelled DMI chart is entirely misleading.
And Skate couldn’t surface at all the previous year as the ice was too thick.
If you look at this chart it shows a completely different picture:
https://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/GLBhycomcice1-12/navo/arcticictnnowcast.gif
Warning! this will give you all sorts of alarming messages about certificates… it is quite safe, but if of a nervous disposition…
The Navy changed those maps sometime last year, and they are meaningless garbage now.
And Skate couldn’t surface at all the previous year as the ice was too thick.
Ms Griff just alluded to unprecedented ice melt in 1957-58! What was her point again?
You should be ashamed, Gator, taking candy from a baby! If Ms Griff had the mental capacity to understand what she wrote she would not have done it!
Griff, then the ice was not 4 m thick in 2003 as you can check out on dmi. You are running out of options so you are running to your cognitive dissonance. Read it, it fits you well :) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
The person in the picture (with the huge ice breaker in the background) probably would NOT be allowed to stand there if the ice was less than 2m thick.
Well it took them quite a time to find a floe that was sufficiently thick to support their ice station for the next 5 weeks.
https://twitter.com/helenczerski/status/1028386714203705344
So no floatation device needed? Huh?
What about the predictions of an ice free Arctic Phil, were they wrong? Why are you not attacking those folks?
Agenda much Phil?
DMI matches Russian sea ice very nicely.
Seems that griff’s references are very dubious to say the least.
Basically WORTHLESS…. the griff normal.
DMI chart matches Russian charts
Seems griff’s link in totally WORTHLESS.
Nothing unusual about that. !
You’re repeating yourself Spike.
Nothing unusual about that!
So you agree that there is still WAY more sea ice up there than for most of the Holocene.
Great to see you are not trying to CON people like you usually try.
Facts need to be repeated MANY times for griff and Jimbo.. and still they are incapable of comprehension.
Climate change, a crisis for all seasons. Just what Big Brother ordered.
I hope Ms Czerski posts a YouTube video. (And a few more ‘selfies’ would go amiss!)
Here is one taken on the 2015 expedition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mNw6fXu1Kk
The ice they’re breaking their way through looks easily 2m thick to me . . .
NOT go amiss!
Here’s one of Runa Skarbø a research scientist on the Oden on that trip who documented it on her website.
https://runaskarbo.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/img_2931.jpg
“That” trip with Runa Skarbø was in 2016. Ms Czerski et al are there right NOW!
Why I’d like to see a video is to see the broken ice – i.e. how thick it is.
Note that in the 2015 YouTube video there are numerous sequences showing broken ice well in excess of 2m thick. And a caption stating that the ship (“50 Let Probedy”) is making 4 knots through 6-foot thick ice.
(I wonder of the Oden can do that?)
I thought you wanted to see more selfies. :-) Czerski said that the ice en route was 1.5m.
RE: “Czerski SAID that the ice en route was 1.5m.”
I’m sure she did. And she might even report it in a forthcoming scientific paper. But “Nullius in Verba” – as all true scientists say.
I want to see video – preferably date stamped.
Sure, the Oden’s spec. sheet says it can do 3kts in 1.9m ice. Czerski says that the floe they’re photoed on is a metre thick.
https://www.helenczerski.net/at-sea/13-aug2018
Here’s another description of the journey:
“On the way there, we encountered a variety of ice conditions: First the passage was relatively easy when water channels were present amongst the floes. Then the first year ice became denser and the icebreaker started working harder, still making a decent 5 knots, roughly 9 km/h. We could see plenty of dark melt ponds and many open leads. A couple days later, the winds finally put Oden to a test. The steady easterly wind had pushed the ice towards our track, making it a very dense pack, up to two meters thick, and with ridges. Moving north happened at a much slower pace then, roughly 3 knots.”
So it seems like it maxed at about 2m.
Re: ““On the way there, we encountered a variety of ice conditions . . . . etc. ”
You don’t get it do you? Where’s the evidence? Just citing what someone said (or wrote, or tweeted) is not evidence. What were the measurements? How were they done?
Of course I “get it” Vice Admiral!
Why don’t you try running that ruler over all the BS in “Steve’s” original post?
You’ll be terribly jealous I suppose Vice Admiral Calvert, if I point out that I have met Ms. Czerski in the flesh, at it were.
Perhaps you might point out to “Steve” that I’ve just provided a big clue to his “starter for 10” question on Twitter?
My own research focusses on the physics of the ocean surface, especially the bubbles formed by breaking waves.
– Helen Czerski
https://www.helenczerski.net/
Thank God! We are all saved!
(So glad she is not wasting her life on something insignificant)
Evidently you are ignorant of the significance of the bubbles formed by breaking waves!
Do they help feed the poor brown people that you hate so much? My guess is no, and that explains why you are so excited about it.
In the no doubt vain hope of alleviating your ignorance, this from the Oden expedition blog:
https://polarforskningsportalen.se/en/arctic/expeditions/arctic-ocean-2018/blogs/nordpolen-2
“The most urgent thing is to start the measurements in the so-called Open Lead, a larger run of open water, focusing on measuring the process when bubbles in the water rise to the surface, burst and release different gases into the air.”
So I was right!
Thanks Genocide Jim.
So I was right!
Evidently your ignorance knows no bounds. Here’s an ancient FAQ for you:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/243765647_The_Role_of_Air-Sea_Gas_Exchange_in_Geochemical_Cycling
Still not seeing any poor brown people being fed. Just a bunch of navel gazing physics that benefits nobody but the authors.
Why do you hate poor brown people Genocide Jim?
Jimbo the clown-troll
CLIMATE CHANGE DENIER extraordinaire.
” burst and release different gases into the air.””
You mean that’s where the CO2 is coming from, from the Arctic ocean. !!
Enhanced atmospheric CO2, which DOES NOT WARM ANYTHING, is caused by Arctic bubbles.
Thanks for that, Jimbo, you moronic clown.
You just destroyed the whole farcical CONcept of the Anthropocene :-)
Aren’t they so lucky to have modern ice-breaker to do their little bubble-chasing in. ;-)
What have you ever done for those “poor brown people” that you continually refer to?
And you Spike?
And “Steve”/Tony?!
Personally I give a monthly donation that goes directly feeds them. I also fight against genocidal a55holes like you, Jim. Your anti-human religion is my main focus, I spend all day telling people how you zealots hate poor brown people, and nongenocidal people get it.
Face it Jim, you are in a tiny minority, a small group of fascist anti-human religious zealots who think they have it all figured out. A final solution, if you will.
Go sell your scam to someone else.
You can see from the smug questions that bigots like Jim don’t think for a second that those opposing them could be poor brown people. The global warming scam is entirely a movement of well-to-do white people with a little help from a few members of “professional brown minority” in the West.
“I also fight against genocidal a55holes like you, Jim.”
I had noticed that Gator! Although I do of course reject your “genocidal” label.
Haven’t you got better things to do? Volunteering perhaps?
https://vsointernational.org/
Actually Genocide Jim, I do volunteer. Lately it has been with Caritas, working to help troubled kids.
https://www.caritas.org/
You see Jim, I value human life, and do not place ice and/or bears above them. You, OTOH, work to create alarmism which funnels finite resources towards a leftist totalitarian dream and away from millions of innocent humans who starve annually.
I do not know of any mass murderers who embraced their true identity, so you fit right in Genocide Jim.
USS Skate first surfaced at the Pole on 17th March 1959. That is not a photo of that occasion it is at Ice Station Alpha. On the August 1958 trip they surfaced in open polynas well away from the Pole, some of which were too small for complete surfacing. The first one was the one where they encountered a polar bear, the closest they got to the pole was 40 miles, after which the went to Alpha at 85ºN.
On the trip in March 1959 the Skate had been modified to break through the ice. They first practicing surfacing through thin ice in a polyna (they called them ‘skylights’). When they reached the pole they found it was thick ice more than 10 feet thick, they eventually found a thinner lead which they were able to surface through although it was the thickest ice they had broken through to date.
This is the photo from the N Pole:
http://library.osu.edu/blogs/nautilus/files/2017/06/wilkins35_5_4.jpg
At the time the wind was 30knots and the temperature was -24ºF.
The sides of the lead were piled high with hummocks which Capt. Calvert described as “the heaviest and ruggedest hummocks he had yet seen in the Arctic” (so more than 15 feet high). Several later attempts to break through weren’t successful however for another three days. Their last lead they were on the surface for 15 hrs doing some repairs during that time the ice closed in on them.
Quite a contrast to the shots of the Oden you posted, especially since they were anchored to a floe with open water behind the ship, that was the nearest floe they could walk on to the Pole (~0.75 nm from the Pole).
http://greatwhitecon.info/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Oden-Pole-20160828.jpg
Ah yes! The great white, brown people hating, con.
Great link! LOL
And Phil, we have all read the Skate narrative before, you are again late to the show.
we have all read the Skate narrative before,
And yet Tony still got it wrong!
What exactly did Tony get wrong? He simply quoted the historical record and posted historic photos?
It’s not like he has called for an ice free Arctic for the past decade. LOL
You sure got issues Phil!
The Skate did not surface at the North Pole on 11th Aug. 1958, as I pointed out, that was their first surfacing in a polyna about 70 miles beyond the ice edge well away from the pole.
Who said it did? Nowhere in Tony’s post did he say that the Skate surfaced at the North Pole on 8/11/58.
You really need to have someone explain these post to you Phil.
And again, Tony did not say the Arctic would be ice free for the past 10 years, but apparently you give alarmists a pass.
You sure have issues Phil! LOL
Tony posted in his first line: “Sixty years ago this week, the USS Skate surfaced at the North Pole.”
Also he included a photo with the legend which said that the Skate surfaced at the N Pole on Aug. 11th 1958.
So you are still bitching about 1 degree latitude, but have no issue with alarmists predicting an ice free Arctic for ten years now. Do I have that right?
Here’s exactly what Tony got wrong, especially for you Gator:
http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2018/08/uss-skate-at-the-north-pole-truth-and-fiction/
Including a colour image of the scattering of Wilkin’s ashes.
So you too ignore the decade of alarmism that failed to come to fruition, like you.
Just why do you hate poor brown people?
As soon as you cite the great big slimy con site, your reliability drops through to several layers below the bottom of the sewer.
Current sea ice levels are in the top 500-600 or the last 10,000 years, phlop.
GET OVER IT, and stop being a climate change denier.
As soon as you cite the great big slimy con site, your reliability drops through to several layers below the bottom of the sewer.
As indicated on the photo it is an official photo from the Greenland Ecosystem Monitoring Arctic 2016 mission so I think it is very reliable. It was originally available on several sites but is now harder to find.
Since some of the posters like to talk about history, 14th Aug was the anniversary of Captain Cook crossing the Arctic Circle in 1778 after passing through the Bering Strait. On the 18th he encountered the ice pack at 70º44’N which by his account was 12′ high and stretched from horizon to horizon (somewhat south of Barrow).
The CON web site does NOT provide a realistic perspective of arctic sea ice
Like you the perpetrator of the CON web site is a manic climate change denier.
You do realise that current sea ice levels are in the top 10% of the current interglacial, don’t you??
Show me where that FACT is shown on the CON web site.
And you do realise Captain Cook’s adventures were during the middle of the LIA, don’t you, of course he encountered EXTREME levels of sea ice.
Are you totally IGNORANT of climate history ????
Do you really think the anomalous cold of the LIA was “normal”. WOW !!
The CON web site does NOT provide a realistic perspective of arctic sea ice
Never said it did, just was a convenient link to the GEM Arctic 2016 photo that I remembered from that journey.
And you do realise Captain Cook’s adventures were during the middle of the LIA, don’t you, of course he encountered EXTREME levels of sea ice.
Are you totally IGNORANT of climate history ????
Do you really think the anomalous cold of the LIA was “normal”. WOW !!
Well you keep telling us that:
“the late 1970s was an extreme sea ice extent up there with the LIA”
I don’t recall there being a 12′ high ice pack at that location in ’79.
Hi Phil
Ta very much for the heads up!
Snow and I would of course quibble over the scurrilous assertion that “her” “web site does NOT provide a realistic perspective of arctic sea ice”.
OMG we now have 2 CLIMATE CHANGE DENIERS, Jimbo the fetid clown, and phlop.
BOTH are DELIBERATELY IGNORANT of sea ice history before the extremes of the mid/late 1970s. I know neither of you are able to be educated , because you just go into a massive trail of DENIAL.
And science, as opposed to agenda, shows the Arctic sea ice to be very much near its highest in the whole interglacial.
You won’t find that information on the LYING, DECEPTIVE “CON” web site.
The Artifa fascists have been busy!
They are just like the head chopper offers, all you have to do is draw a cartoon of the Arctic, and here they come! LOL
Arctic Akbar!
Woops! “Arctifa”, can’t forget the “c”, as in communist and climaphate.
The only argument leftists have is trying to distract the discussion with some meaningless and irrelevant BS.
Like this you mean?
Current sea ice levels are in the top 500-600 or the last 10,000 years,
Phil obviously seeks to REMAIN IGNORANT about basic facts.
Sorry you do not understand basic science phlop.
Time you remedied it.
Start in junior high.
“Current sea ice levels are in the top 500-600 or the last 10,000 years “
A totally relevant fact, its just that it makes a TOTAL MOCKERY of the idiotic sea ice scare you and your cronies try to perpetuate.
GET OVER IT. !!
Remain ignorant, phlop. Its your NATURAL state.
Wake me up when someone in a small unassisted boat sails through the strait next to Banks Island , like Larsen did in 1944.
Or when they don’t have to hack through permafrost to un-earth Viking burial sites etc.
Its STILL much colder, and there is STILL much more sea ice up then at any time during the Holocene except the LIA and the late 1970s extremes (and the short periods either side)
Note how the AMO cold anomalies in the early to mid 1970’s, the mid 1980’s, and the early 1990’s:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/esrl-amo/from:1900/mean:13
correspond well with periods of higher solar wind temperature/pressure:
https://snag.gy/d2v3aJ.jpg
Question ?
Is it just Me…
The — interNational-Satanic-and-Islamic-Disturbed-Center (NSIDC) is showing (Reporting) todays Arctic Sea Ice as in the following Satallite photo ???
My, quite a different Ice Extent… !
Why not just eliminate the Sea Ice altogether !
Essentially showing just the orange from the Russian data.
Now , who know more, who would you actually TRUST about the Arctic sea ice ??
The Russians who totally rule the Arctic region when it comes to ice -going ships, ………
… or the AGW linked activists at NSIDC, who think the Arctic is creaming
last word typo !!
screaming.. !!
Here’s Jimmy!
How do you spell “ballcocks” in US English?
Would anybody here care to speculate about where and when those images of the USS Skate proudly displayed above were actually taken?
Or indeed about the actual state of the oldest and thickest sea ice in the Arctic?
Nope.
Still want you to explain why you hate poor brown people so much.
“Here’s Jimmy!”
He should get a picture of his winning team.
They still have one of these for $10, shipping from Canada.
Here’s some helpful “USS Skate” hints from Snow’s very good friend Bill the Frog:
http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/09/could-northabout-sail-to-the-north-pole/#comment-215552
Are you going to refute the evidence?
Or just call Phil and I names?
As per usual.
Helpful, if you are trying to starve poor brown people to death.
This could not be more a more correct depiction…
https://fixhepc.com/media/kunena/attachments/391/whack-a-mole1.jpg
True, but that one is out of service again. The kids keep breaking Admiral Hunt’s hockey stick …
There’s an interesting thread on Twitter at the moment, debating the “No Change In Arctic Sea Ice Over The Past 60 Years” theme:
https://twitter.com/jim_hunt/status/1030102824124919809
For some strange reason “Steve” isn’t responding to the points raised, so to make sure the Deplorable Denizens don’t miss out on a veritable feast of Arctic info, here’s a precis: