On November 8, 1938 German Socialists confiscated all of the Jews’ guns.
TimesMachine: November 9, 1938 – NYTimes.com
The Holocaust began the next day.
When did the Holocaust begin?
Death by terrorism is not good. But compared to other causes of unnatural death the numbers are small, in the thousands. Death by government goes in the hundreds of millions.
Try tell people this and you will be look upon as a complete madman. Top it up with a statement like “this can only happen in a socialized society” and they are ready to punch you.
No civilians could have stopped the armed Nazi state disarming them.
Every western democracy has mental health issues, terrorism, foreign and domestic and crime.
Only in the USA are there so many gun deaths.
Warsaw Jews held off the German Socialists for weeks, with only a few crude home made weapons. Americans have more than 100 million guns. As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Ridiculous use of capitalization rules.
no elected government would ever murder an entire cohort of their own population.
and citizens have no right to defend themselves anyway.
(15000 fewer deaths per year compared to the 80s-early 90s courtesy concealed carry and the NRA.)
“Only in the USA are there so many gun deaths” is a statement of emotion, not fact. Remove suicides, which occur regardless of guns, police and defensive shootings, and we aren’t even close to the top. Forget that, leave them in, and we aren’t even close. Mexico bans guns, and it has far more shootings. In fact, just about every Latin American country bans guns and has a vastly worse murder rate.
Why is it we still can’t take Afghanistan despite having the most modern military in the world? The simple AK-47, is why. A heavily armed populace can beat an advanced military.
That is just fantastic, Adam. Griff says that “Every western democracy has mental health issues, terrorism, foreign and domestic and crime.
Only in the USA are there so many gun deaths.”
And you counter him with Mexico and Latin America.
I do however believe that you are right to compare your own nation in this regard to those other stellar nations on this planet. Way to go, you really are leading the pack.
If or when you eventually do get your head out of your @ss you might want to try to think a little about all this. And try to figure out why you are at the bottom of the pack in western cultures. But that requires you let go of some stubbornly held views and open up for different ones. Good luck.
Don’t care what foreigners think about our 2nd amendment. Especially those that come from countries that even restrict the ability of a subject to defend themselves under the guise of legally undefined “proportional and reasonable” self defense. Tell me Griff what is the “Proportional and reasonable” self defense of an old 98 lb. woman against a 200 lb, knife wielding man?
Fully agree with you Rah. Were I live this is a fact and we have one of the highest murder and rape rates in the World. The perpetrator does not have to prove or defend anything. He just says he was threatened with a firearm or someone pointed it at him or the police subjected him to torture, show a self inflicted bruise or cut or blackeye and he is off the hook.
What many foreigners don’t get, or refuse to understand is that in this country we have a God given right to protect ourselves, our family and fellow citizens, and our property and THEY DON’T!
What many fail to “get” is that the right to armed self defense is a human right, not a purely American right. We just had people create the Bill of Rights who were wise enough to single out this right, among others and codify it to restrict the Government’s rights. Everyone has the right to armed self defense as a human being. Most places, they are unable to legally exercise it. The Bill of Rights isn’t a list of your rights, it’s a list of restrictions on the government’s “rights”.
It’s not just a right: it’s a duty.
“What many fail to “get” is that the right to armed self defense is a human right, not a purely American right.”
Where is that written in nature?
Andy asks “Where is that written in nature?”
In your genes. If you don’t have it in your genes, then you are a mutant. Please don’t reproduce …
Where have you ever seen any rights written in nature?
Does the stupid hurt, Andy Andy?
Andy: Who said it was written?and for griff: You may want to revisit your “If Heller posted it, it must be wrong” principle. When it compels you to agree with Nazis disarming the jewish population, you need to unplug for 15 seconds or so before plugging in again.
So in summary a right to defend with arms is not a nature thing, it is man made, and so no Governed by God.
So human rules done in 1791 need to be changed over time to reflect modern day society, not just the USA.
Poor Andy Andy, his weak mind believes we are all in need of supervision and control. Give him some sympathy, I’m sure from his inferior point of view servitude makes perfect sense.
Sheep need shepherds.
Andy can’t even understand the God given right to live and stay alive. Of course in doing so he makes his ignorance of the Declaration of Independence and many statements of the founders about Natures God.“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
“the God given right ”
then quotes the US constitution which was written by men .. so shooting himself in the foot and backing up my argument that laws about arms are all man made, nothing to do with nature or God
The handgun is the great equalizer.
“God made men, but Sam Colt made them equal.”
And the AR-15 is truly the great equalizer…
In the world we live in today, there are few things that can equalize a woman with a man in a life-or-death defensive situation, but firearms are one of them. To be more specific, the AR-15 can be a great choice for self-defense or home defense, along with target shooting on the range, competition use, hunting, and so on.
Leftists apparently hate women almost as much as they hate poor brown people.
strange how only USA women need an AR15 to be the equal of men compared to the rest of the world where they don’t.
Re “mental health issues” … yes Griff and you are the resident expert on this subject ;-)
Right. How ridiculous! If civilians could defeat powerful militaries, we Americans would not still be subjects of the Queen. Oh, wait…
Yea Griff! Everybody knows that Guerilla warfare never works! LOL!The minute men and militias had nothing to do with the course of the American Revolution.The Guerilla arms of the resistance in the various Nazi occupied countries of Europe during WW II contributed nothing to the final outcome of that war.Castro came to power because Guerilla warfare failed.The Viet Cong had no effect on the course of the war in Vietnam.
Tell me Griff. From your vast storehouse of knowledge about unconventional warfare. What are the three basic elements of any clandestine resistant campaign?
etc, etc, etc, etc down through the history of many nations.
We don’t even crack the top 15 in gun related homicides per capita, even though we have 3 times as many guns per capita as the nearest contender.
Honduras has the highest murder rate with guns, even though they banned assault rifles 15 years ago.
The largest mass shooting happened in Kenya, where gun owners must reapply for a license annually, showing a need for ownership, and where civilians are not allowed to own semi-auto rifles.
Demographics and culture play a much larger roll than any other factor.
The demographics are that black males killing black males is over half of the homicide by firearms discharge in the U.S.
6.5% of the population commits 55%. 6,000 of 11,000 total.
The rate for the 285,000,000 non-black males is under 2 per 100,000, a low number.
“Only in the USA are there so many gun deaths.”
Wow. The ignorance burns.
Trump may well lose a 2nd term if he keeps it up the way he is on this issue. Pushing Red Flag could be the end of his presidency.
I’m really shocked at the low numbers of guns and ammo confiscated. The father-in-law of a friend has more guns than that in his collection, and my cousin has 20,000 rounds in his basement when he’s running low.
Here’s my usual response on youtube…
If you believe that the Sun shines on both sides of the Earth at the same time then keep on dividing the Sun’s flux by 4 like the Clymists do. That way you’ll have to keep on fighting and explaining. If you believe that the Sun shines on only one hemisphere of the Earth at a time then divide the Sun’s flux by 2 and see what a wonderful world we live in ! For a detailed explanation search the key phrase / Flux on Earth For Dummies / @ https://climateofsophistry.com/2019/07/25/how-to-debunk-climate-deniers-and-climate-alarmists/
If you still think that CO2 is a big problem then explain this to me … http://www.vukcevic.co.uk/CO2-Arc.gif
If you want to publish my original document i’ll send it to you in Word format.
Why do Postma fanboys insist on spamming unrelated posts with his nonsense?
Postma is quite simply too stupid to recognize that what he calls the “flat earth” model is just a simplified conceptual illustration, and that his assertion that the science is “based on” this simplification is utterly ridiculous. In fact, the case is even stronger for the on/off cyclical application of solar power to any point on earth with the day/night cycle
He hilariously claims that he could never roast a turkey if his oven used a cyclical on/off application of power, when in fact his oven DOES work that way, as does his furnace, as does his water heater.
Tony does a great job here using actual science. You and your cohorts just give alarmists reason to dismiss skeptics as ignoramuses – in your case, they are correct!
“when in fact his oven DOES work that way, as does his furnace, as does his water heater.”
LOL !! ED Bo is saying that the Earth as a thermostat that changes how the sun delivers its energy.. DUMB !!
Either that or is showing how CLUELESS he is about how ovens or water heater works.
But then, we have all seen that Ed is CLUELESS when it comes to a basic understanding of the world around him.
Your reading comprehension is as bad as your analytical skills. I said:
He hilariously claims that he could never roast a turkey if his oven used a cyclical on/off application of power, when in fact his oven DOES work that way, as does his furnace, as does his water heater.
Any person of basic intelligence would understand that when I said “that way”, I was referring to the previous clause mentioning “the cyclic on/off application of power”.
You do understand that your oven, furnace, and water heater DO work “that way” – employing a cyclic on/off application of power – don’t you?
Why can’t you understand very simple English?
9,128 gun deaths in the US this year…
The UK homicide stats from all causes for a whole year, 2018 to 2019 were 701
You didn’t answer my question Griff?
Those gun death stats for the US include self defense dumbass!
Mathematics argues against gun control.
Roughly 2/3 of gun deaths are from suicides, reducing the number of firearms murders to about 3,000. Defensive uses of firearms may be removed from the statics given by that site reduce the numbers further, but are harder to nail down; if we reduce by another third, that brings us down to about 2,000 firearms deaths.
The CDC reports (https://www.nap.edu/catalog/18319/priorities-for-research-to-reduce-the-threat-of-firearm-related-violence) between 500,000 and three million defensive use of firearms events annually, with typical estimates of around 2.5 million. We can assume that >1% of these defensive uses save a life, which works out to a minimum of 25,000 lives saved annually, and millions of property and violent crimes averted.
Joshua / Gator …. which of u is correct about the deaths by suicide? 2/3 or 1/3?
Sorry, it is about 60%, according to the CDC.
Researchers also found that the majority of firearm deaths are from suicide, not homicide. “Between the years 2000 and 2010, firearm-related suicides significantly outnumbered homicides for all age groups, annually accounting for 61 percent of the more than 335,600 people who died from firearm-related violence in the United States.”
It is always shocks me how many of reported “gun deaths” are actually suicide. Really puts the total number in perspective.
One third of those deaths are suicide, one fifth are self defense and accidental shootings, and another fifth are police related.
Once again, the US does not even crack the top 15 for gun related homicides, even though we have 3 times as many guns as the next nearest competitor.
Ms Griff is parroting talking points of the ignorant, once again.
If you eliminate those cities in the US with the strictest gun laws that are under democrat control, you will find the US does quite well per capita compared with the rest of the world. My conclusion is that the strict gun laws prevent law abiding citizens from defending themselves effectively and actually increases the gun violence.
With the possible exception of those that have a death-wish, criminals would rather commit their crimes on those people and in those places where there is the least risk to the criminal that the victims could adequately defend themselves. The gun-free zones are basically just “come get us, we are unarmed” invitations to those who would do evil.
STATS ON GUN VIOLENCE
Interesting statistics. This jives with the research of Prof. Lott at the University of Chicago, who is a noted expert on gun laws and stats.
Here are some facts.
There are 30,000 gun related death s per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. The U.S. population is 324,059,091 as of June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.00925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:
65% of those deaths are by suicide, which would never be prevented by gun laws. 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified. 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – better known as gun violence. 3% are accidental discharge deaths.
So technically, “gun violence” is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Now lets look at how those deaths spanned across the nation. 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years) So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.
This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.
Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So, if all cities and states are not created equal, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.
Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assaults are all done by criminals. It is ludicrous to think that criminals will obey laws. That is why they are called criminals.
But what about other deaths each year? 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT! 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths. 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).
Now it gets good: 200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer walking in the worst areas of Chicago than you are when you are in a hospital!
710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So, what is the point? If the liberal loons and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.).
A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total number of gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides ……………. Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions! So, you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns?
It’s pretty simple: Taking away guns gives control to governments. The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.
Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs . So, the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed.”
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Why are you comparing suicide deaths with homicides? When suicides are removed, the homicide rate is comparable. Remove self defense and police numbers, and there is nothing to discuss.
The US has about 6 1/2 times the population of the UK so it is only reasonable to believe that the US would have more homicides.In addition handgun, rifles and shotguns are strictly restricted in the UK and if you eliminated only 5 of the largest cities in the US from your count the US would have the lowest homicide rate in the world.
scott allen, is that five cities run by statist democratic policies that inflame racial tension, destroy culture, enslave citizens in a “blame” mentality, and already have strict gun control?
Griff the UK is only about 20 percent of the US population. The UK has growing problems such as in 2017 there were approximately 5,821 registered deaths by suicide in the Unite Kingdom. However they do not have the extremely violent cities run by socialists with no clue that the US has, where, for decades statist policies have destroyed jobs, culture, and inflamed racial tension. Sadly, thanks to unfettered indiscriminate immigration the UK is getting there.
In every great experiment in authoritarian government in Europe, the governing classes eventually granted themselves the privilege of state murder.This is why constitutions exist and in America’s case backed up by the right to own certain guns.I hope that on the current mania by control freaks, they don’t have to be used.But just their existence is a constraint to the ultimate government policy.
I saw something recently that said, “Politicians want to disarm citizens because they intend to do things that would get them shot.”
Tony Heller, this post is patently ridiculous. I have followed you for quite a while, at first because a lot of people were referring to you and then much because of what you wrote on climate issues. Most of your writings reflect a critical thinking mind and I find a lot of interesting viewpoints and arguments in your posts.
But you do have these idiotic posts against gun control, and that really detracts from the rest. This piece here however stands out. It is patethetic to try and reason that the US should abandon gun control beacuse of what happened in a despotic regime in the 1930’s. To be able to even suggest that is beyond reason.
Maybe gruff would say that NAZI Germany was very safe and peaceful. After all Germany only had one mass murder then. Just one. It lasted from 1938 through 1945.
It is hard to comprehend the views listed in the comments section here. Views such as ” We have a God given right to protect ourselves and our families”, “We have a duty to protect….”, ‘We have 100 million guns to hold off our Government’. It is as if some people actually believe that Europeans are living under constant threat from our politicians and our Government, being held at gunpoint to conform to our politicians every whim. And that some belive that we actually have given up our right to protect our families and ourselves. My guess is you have never been to Europe, let alone lived here. and that is because if you did, you would know different.
Our protection of ourselves and our families is embedded in our societies, our political government, our democracy and our way of life. And all that includes strict regulations on firearms. Try to ponder that for a minute, for real. Put away your preconceived idea that guns are the only way and try to think on how it can be that it is possible to actually have a free, safe life without guns.
And I have to say, the reasoning you put behind those statistics is really something. None of you ever thought that police killings were somehow related to the expectation that a criminal might carry a weapon? No? Really?
And suicide by guns would happen anyway? What a career in counselling for you guys, I must say. The reasoning here is breathtaking. And not for being lucid.
In my country, the police rarely fire at criminals. Because criminals rarely employ firearms. Most situations are resolved without use of lethal force, and even in the situations where firearms are involved the situation is controlled without use of firearms. But then, we must have pansies for criminals. Huh?
The US has some really hard social issues to solve. Holding on for dear life to that right to bear arms will not help you. I realize that very few, if any, of you will change your views based on my post but I hope maybe one or two will reflect a bit. After all, talking about a revolution starts with a whisper.
I have lived in Europe twice. You have no idea what you are speaking of.
In my country I can go to an airport and not see police with submachine guns standing around as I have in several European countries. In my country many people realize that the police are reactive and there is virtually never one around when you really need one.My country sent a whole bunch of arms to England in their hour of need in WW II because their subjects had no firearms to fend of a potential invasion of their islands. And BTW during both WW II many Yanks were crack shots because they grew up with firearms and hunting. The NRA was originally established after our Civil war to improve the number of marksmen that would be ready in the event of another war. I grew up hunting and was trained to shoot skeet and trap by my uncle who was a national champion. When I went into the Army I qualified expert every time. In my home I have several firearms and know how to use them just in case. And since I’m gone for days at a time I have trained my 110 lb. wife in the use of firearms for self defense. Within her reach when she is in bed is a Stainless Steel Taurus snub nose six shooter that fits her hands well. It’s loaded with 38 special hollow gel tips. Rounds made to kill a human. Though we have never had any trouble here at our home in a semirural setting, her having that weapon and knowing how to use it gives us both peace of mind.
Taking the great equalizer away from the citizens when the state cannot be held liable for not providing effective protection makes one a subject of the state.
This text “It is hard to comprehend the views listed in the comments section here.” says much more about its author, than it does about anything else. Many understand these views just fine. My best guess is that the problem is with the one who has such trouble comprehending.
Our protection of ourselves and our families is embedded in our societies, our political government, our democracy and our way of life.
Right. That’s why we had to save you guys from your own protections of yourselves twice in the past century.
“Right. That’s why we had to save you guys from your own protections of yourselves twice in the past century.”
I don’t recall armed civilians coming over here with their home guns in 1917 and the 1940’s, I believe it was the US army, which is completely different.
The same army you seem to need to protect yourself against by having guns???
The “army” was comprised of drafted and volunteered civilians Andy Andy. Civilians who kept their government in check, so that they could be available to come over and save your limey arses, twice. A smart Brit would not try and fix what saved their country on multiple occasions, and would not belittle those civilians who defeated them on the battlefield. But then it is Andy Andy commenting again…
Germany was a democracy in 1930, and in 1914. Germans were humans, and not another race, they were just like us.
History is rife with free peoples who were subjugated by governments, and this is the rule and not the exception.
And no, I do not worry about the “army” coming for us. The “army” is us, and swears an oath not to the POTUS, but an oath to uphold the US Constitution which allows me to have guns.
Why is it that ignorant foreigners always think that they are experts on America? Clueless…
As long as the Military does not become a favored class with a better standard of living and pay than the general citizenry, they are us! Back in the 1980’s a survey was taken in the Army. It was found that soldiers with three or more years time in service understood they were there to protect the Constitution or IOW the people and not a government or flag. It was the recently enlisted soldiers and thus lowest ranks where the concept of an unlawful order was not well understood.
“The “army” was comprised of drafted and volunteered civilians Andy Andy. Civilians who kept their government in check, so that they could be available to come over and save your limey arses, twice.
Load of rubbish
I have nothing else to add
No wonder Gator gets turned into a handbag on any important issue.
Poor weak minded Andy Andy cannot conceive of self governance, and lashes out at his superiors.
Poor Andy Andy, just like his herd mentality ancestors, who though a King was a great idea and stayed behind like the good little serfs that they were.
“AndyLoad of rubbishI have nothing else to add”That’s because you’ve got nothing. Your in waters far deeper than you can fathom.
“try to think on how it can be that it is possible to actually have a free, safe life without guns”. Venezuela is a good example of what can happen when the government confiscates guns.
Here in the United States people like to exercise their rights. I was at the range last weekend sighting in my nephew’s .30-06. We also shot a box of 30 cal carbine and about 250 rounds of .22 LR. Tonight I have trap leagues.
I used to be a Democrat until Bill Clinton started banning guns in the 90’s. I swore I would NEVER vote for that party again.
There is a big difference between the USA in 2019 and Nazi Germany in the 1930’s, (getting for nearly 100 years ago now).
It’s not a good analogy to be honest.
Meanwhile how many US citizens die from accidental gun deaths whilst you wait for the government to do something that causes the populous to rise up?
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports that in the US in 2015, there were 146,571 “unintentional injury deaths” that year, the fourth leading cause of death. Of those, 47,478 were from unintentional poisoning, 37,757 were from traffic accidents, and 33,381 were from falls.
Not even on the radar.
Thousands of American lives are saved each year because of our gun laws.
As Germany proved, democracy is no guarantee of safety.
How many Jews died, waiting for their government to protect them?
“Thousands of American lives are saved each year because of our gun laws”
Give me the stats over lives lost through accidents etc.
Is it handbag time again for Gator ?
About 500 deaths per year by accident little Andy Andy.
So sad to know that you cannot even handle a simple Google search Andy Andy.
In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes, 30,296 deadly, killing 32,999, and injuring 2,239,000.
Andy Andy would probably have us turn in our car keys as well. Cars are not even covered by the Bill of Rights.
PS – I don’t know if I have the heart to break the news to little Andy Andy, but I’m not actually a real alligator. Oh well, we’ll wait til after Christmas to tell him about Santa.
Does anyone know how many millions of disarmed Indian civilians died from the merciful, civilized actions of their British governmental colonizers? Are those lives important enough to be counted in the tally of consequences of disarmament by “protective” political leaders?
Please let us know Andy, how many pensioners in the UK freeze to death each winter because they cannot afford heat?
“Please let us know Andy, how many pensioners in the UK freeze to death each winter because they cannot afford heat?
A fair few no doubt.
The question is however
“How many UK people died from cold and also how may shot in their poorly heated homes?”
I’m guessing elderly people in the USA suffer from cold weather and being shot more than the UK?
What are the figures for seniors being shot in the USA compared to the UK? That would be apples to apples comparison.
Seniors in the US are allowed to defend themselves little Andy Andy. I marched side by side with wheelchair bound seniors and disabled citizens, who made their way up to our state capitol to petition our representatives to keep our gun rights intact.
You see little Andy Andy, guns are the great equalizer, that allow the weak to defend themselves against the strong. Women, children, the disabled, and the elderly are all able to defend themselves and their families thanks to the foresight of our founding fathers.
Stay on your serf side of the pond, and don’t you worry about us little Andy Andy.
That analogy is one the democrat press and politicians have been trying to sell every single day in print and words ever since they got the jaws off the floor after the election. Trump is Hitler and we who support him are faithful NAZIs is being pounded out every single day in the media. I don’t think they have a just how many people they are pissing off, including moderates and independents.
“That analogy is one the democrat press and politicians have been trying to sell every single day in print and words ever since they got the jaws off the floor after the election. Trump is Hitler and we who support him are faithful NAZIs is being pounded out every single day in the media. I don’t think they have a just how many people they are pissing off, including moderates and independents.”
I guess you will only find out when it is 2020 with democrat Trump ( the guy who signed off two huge deficit bills in a row) v democrat Biden.
Trump is a RHINO
Bring back the Tea party Reps !Andy
Trump has instituted more of the Tea Party agenda than any POTUS in the time it has been around. I abhor the increasing deficit but am intelligent and informed enough to realize that the HR is where the Constitutional authority over the purse strings/budget lies and that until we get real conservatives into the majority in the peoples house we have not a chance of real fiscal reform. The Gadsden flag still flies from my flag pole under the Stars and Stripes. What flies on yours?
Poor little Andy Andy thinks I am an alligator, and that Trump is a Rhino. LOL
What a silly little child mind Andy Andy has. No wonder he needs a wet nurse and a nanny.
He’s right but in the wrong way! Trump is a RINO but not in the sense that Andy or you Gator are referring to. He is far more conservative and has enacted more of the conservative agenda in 30 months than Reagan did in 8 years. Trump is more conservative than at least 70% of the elected national office holders from the Republican party and 100% of those of the Dumbasscrat party. For this reason it is really quite amazing he has gotten as much done as he has. Imagine what could have been accomplished in that amount of time if the Republican national establishment had really gotten behind him from the beginning. I’ll take RINOs like Trump over all the rest any day!Andy seems to believe that conservatives have the same allegiance to the Republican party as the leftists and dependent class have for the Dumbasscrat party. He’s wrong, as usual. Conservatives have allegiance to the vision, ideas, and principles of the founders as expressed and intended in the Constitution over any political party.
What a load of rubbish Rah.
No true conservative would sign off a huge debt bill saying it is the last time, then later sign off another debt bill saying plenty of time to role it back later.
He’s a liar ! He keeps signing off huge government spending putting you more and more in debt.
As long as he gets elected and someone else pays for it ….
You forever trumpers are forever suckers….
“and has enacted more of the conservative agenda in 30 months than Reagan did in 8 years.”
can you list that then compared to Reagan?
What actually has he done apart from tax cuts so far?
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