Dr. James Hansen of NASA, has been the world’s leading promoter of the idea that the world is headed towards “climate disaster.” There is little evidence to back this up.
In 2008, Hansen wrote about “stabilizing” the climate :
Stabilizing atmospheric CO2 and climate requires that net CO2 emissions approach zero, because of the long lifetime of CO2
Yet in 1999, he made it quite clear that past climate was not stable, and that there was little evidence to support that idea that the climate was becoming unstable.
Empirical evidence does not lend much support to the notion that climate is headed precipitately toward more extreme heat and drought. The drought of 1999 covered a smaller area than the 1988 drought, when the Mississippi almost dried up. And 1988 was a temporary inconvenience as compared with repeated droughts during the 1930s “Dust Bowl” that caused an exodus from the prairies, as chronicled in Steinbeck’s Grapes of Wrath.
In that same 1999 report, he showed that US temperatures peaked in 1934, and declined through the rest of the century.
In 1989, NOAA and the UK’s leading expert agreed with Hansen that US had not warmed.
February 04, 1989
Last week, scientists from the United States Commerce Department’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said that a study of temperature readings for the contiguous 48 states over the last century showed there had been no significant change in average temperature over that period.
Dr. (Phil) Jones said in a telephone interview today that his own results for the 48 states agreed with those findings.
Global Warmth In ’88 Is Found To Set a Record – New York Times
But in the year 2000, NASA and NOAA altered the historical US temperature record, which now shows that there was about one degree centigrade US warming during the century before 1989.
The animated image below shows the changes which Dr. Hansen made to the historical US temperature record after the year 1999. He cooled the 1930s, and warmed the 1980s and 1990s. The year 1998 went from being more than half a degree cooler than 1934, to warmer than 1934.
Hansen’s recent temperature data tampering is not limited to the US. He has done the same thing all over the planet. Below is one recent example in Iceland, where he dramatically cooled the first half of the century, and warmed the present. He appears to be trying to erase evidence that there was a very warm period in much of the Arctic around 1940.
Original version Altered version
The changes in Reykjavik, Iceland were particularly heinous – because they were specifically objected to by the Icelandic Met Office. Meteorologist Mark Johnson contacted the senior expert at the Icelandic Met Office and asked him about NASA data tampering in iceland. Here is their exchange :
1) Are you happy with the adjustments as they stand right now?
No, I am not happy with the adjustments as they stand, but I might no be quite up to date. I don’t know if they have been making additional changes during the last 2-3 weeks.
2) Have you or any of your staff contacted or been contacted by anyone from NASA Goddard Space Institute officials?
No, but we made some contact with them about 5-6 weeks ago. Best wishes,
Trausti Jónsson senior meteorologist Icelandic Meteorological Office
The altering of Icelandic data by NASA was particularly troubling, because the cooling from 1940 to 1980 was a well known and difficult historical period in Iceland. NASA erased Iceland’s history, without even the courtesy to contact Iceland’s experts.
Additionally, we know that there was tremendous warming in the Arctic prior to the 1940s, which Hansen has erased from the historical record in Iceland, Greenland and elsewhere.
In 1947, noted geophysicist Dr. Hans Ahlmann reported to the University of California Geophysical Institute that the Arctic had warmed ten degrees since 1900.
31 May 1947 – Warmer Arctic Climate May Raise Ocean Levels
Arctic warming was well known as early as 1922.
docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/050/mwr-050-11-0589a.pdf
Many leading experts prior to the Hansen era, agreed that the earlier Arctic warming was real, and quite dramatic.
CLEVELAND, Feb. 16 (A.A.P.) Dr. William S. Carlson, an Arctic expert, said to-night that the Polar icecaps were melting at an astonishing and unexplained rate and were threatening to swamp seaports by raising the ocean levels.
Leading Arctic expert from 1953
The glaciers of Norway and Alaska are only half the size they were 50 years age. The temperature around Spitsbergen has so modified that the sailing time has lengthened from three to eight months of the year,”
Leading Arctic expert from 1952
LONDON (A.P.).-The earth is getting warmer. The oceans are getting deeper. The glaciers are getting smaller. Even the fish are changing their way of life.
All this and more is going on because of a vast, unaccountable, century-by-century change, in climate. In his study at Bedford College in London, Britain’s distinguished geographer, Professor Gordon Manley, is worrying about it.
Dr. Ahlman urged the establishment of an international agency to study conditions on a global basis. Temperatures had risen 10 degrees since 1900. The navigable season along Western Spitzbergen now last- ed eight months instead of three.
Leading Arctic expert from 1947
it was concluded that near Polar temperatures are on an average six degrees higher than those registered by Nansen 40 years ago. Ice measurements were on an average only 6½ feet against from 9¼ to 13 feet.
Similarly NASA temperature records for Antarctica have also been altered. In 2005, NASA showed most of Antarctic on a long term cooling trend, but in 2007 they changed it to a long term warming trend – despite the fact that 2007 was the year of record sea ice in Antarctica.
The map below from 2005 shows long term cooling.
SVS Animation 3188 – Antarctic Heating and Cooling Trends
In 2007, they replaced the image above with a different one which incorrectly showed long term warming.
Disintegration: Antarctic Warming Claims Another Ice Shelf : Feature Articles
NASA has been altering data and changing the historical record from one pole to the other. Not surprisingly, the vast majority of these changes have trended towards more warming than the original thermometer readings indicated.
Misprediction
In 1988, Hansen made three very famous forecasts (shown below) of temperature rise, based on high, medium and very low (Scenario C) CO2 production.
pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1988/1988_Hansen_etal.pdf
His forecasts were very poor, and indicate that he has greatly overestimated the effect of CO2 on the climate. The graph below overlays the most recent NASA global temperatures(red line) on Hansen’s predictions from 1988. The red circle shows 2012 temperature anomalies so far.
NASA reported temperatures show more of an increase than satellites do, but even the NASA temperatures fall below Scenario C – which essentially assumes that people stopped producing CO2 in the year 2000. Hansen’s own data invalidates his theory, yet he continues to ramp up his claims about the magnitude of global warming. This is the mark of a very poor scientist.
Sea Level
Now, on to his claims about sea level. Hansen has consistently made sea level forecasts far above the upper bounds of those from the IPCC (18-59cm.) In 2007, he forecast sea level rise up to 25 metres to the US Senate, which is nearly fifty times higher than the IPCC’s highest forecast.
Antarctic blues and the Australian drought
In 1988, Hansen told (sympathetic) journalist Bob Reiss that the West Side Highway in Manhattan would be underwater within 20 or 30 years (2008-2018). In 2001, he confirmed and reiterated that claim.
While doing research 12 or 13 years ago, I met Jim Hansen, the scientist who in 1988 predicted the greenhouse effect before Congress. I went over to the window with him and looked out on Broadway in New York City and said, “If what you’re saying about the greenhouse effect is true, is anything going to look different down there in 20 years?” He looked for a while and was quiet and didn’t say anything for a couple seconds. Then he said, “Well, there will be more traffic.” I, of course, didn’t think he heard the question right. Then he explained, “The West Side Highway [which runs along the Hudson River] will be under water. And there will be tape across the windows across the street because of high winds. And the same birds won’t be there. The trees in the median strip will change.” Then he said, “There will be more police cars.” Why? “Well, you know what happens to crime when the heat goes up.”
And so far, over the last 10 years, we’ve had 10 of the hottest years on record.
Didn’t he also say that restaurants would have signs in their windows that read, “Water by request only.”
Under the greenhouse effect, extreme weather increases. Depending on where you are in terms of the hydrological cycle, you get more of whatever you’re prone to get. New York can get droughts, the droughts can get more severe and you’ll have signs in restaurants saying “Water by request only.”
When did he say this will happen?
Within 20 or 30 years. And remember we had this conversation in 1988 or 1989.
Does he still believe these things?
Yes, he still believes everything. I talked to him a few months ago and he said he wouldn’t change anything that he said then.
Dr. Hansen has also been making wildly exaggerated forecasts about a wide variety of topics for almost three decades, like this one from 1986
The News and Courier – Google News Archive Search
In March 2006, he forecast a “Super El Nino” which went against the opinion of the expert community, and never materialized.
We suggest that an El Niño is likely to originate in 2006 and that there is a good chance it will be a “super El Niño”, rivaling the 1983 and 1997-1998 El Niños, which were successively labeled the “El Niño of the century” as they were of unprecedented strength in the previous 100 years.
– Prometheus: Out on a Limb with a Super El Niño Prediction Archives
In March, 2011 – he again predicted a strong El Nino which never materialized.
Based on subsurface ocean temperatures, the way these have progressed the past several months, and comparisons with development of prior El Niños, we believe that the system is moving toward a strong El Niño starting this summer. It’s not a sure bet, but it is probable.
http://www.truth-out.org/perceptions-climate-change/1301356800
In 2012, the NASA model is once again predicting a strong El Nino, which no one else is forecasting.
Why does James Hansen keep incorrectly predicting strong El Ninos? The reason is simple – they bring the temperature up, and he expects to see that. A very unsophisticated, lazy and ineffective basis for science.
Antarctic Ice
In 1984, Dr. Hansen predicted a large amount of ice loss in Antarctica as CO2 increases. The image below forecasts 40% albedo loss in the Ross Sea (after a doubling of CO2) which corresponds to loss of white, reflective sea ice.
www.epa.gov/climatechange/effects/downloads/Challenge_chapter2.pdf
Contrary to Hansen’s forecast trend, Antarctic sea ice has steadily increased – particularly in the Ross Sea.
seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png (1122×912)
Excess ice in the Ross Sea shown in the red circle above. This is the region which Hansen forecast peak ice loss.
Conspiracy Theorist?
Dr. Hansen has alluded on several occasions to the idea that there is a well funded group of people working to intentionally ruin the climate.
James Hansen, one of the world’s leading climate scientists, will today call for the chief executives of large fossil fuel companies to be put on trial for high crimes against humanity and nature, accusing them of actively spreading doubt about global warming in the same way that tobacco companies blurred the links between smoking and cancer.
Put oil firm chiefs on trial, says leading climate change scientist | Environment | The Guardian
“There is a very concerted effort by people who would prefer to see business to continue as usual. They have been winning the public debate with the help of tremendous resources.”
Hansen has never provided any evidence to support the idea that skeptics are either well funded or intentionally misleading the public, yet he frequently repeats this claim.
Dr. Hansen has suggested that fossil fuel corporation CEOs are intentionally committing high crimes against the planet – because they don’t believe his spectacularly failed mispredictions.
Hansen went on to say: “CEOs of fossil energy companies know what they are doing and are aware of long-term consequences of continued business as usual. In my opinion, these CEOs should be tried for high crimes against humanity and nature.”
James Hansen: Try Fossil Fuel CEOs For ‘High Crimes Against Humanity
Additionally Dr. Hansen has been arrested several times for committing crimes in “defense of the planet”
Other NASA climate failures
Dr. Hansen is not the only climate scientist at NASA making spectacular mispredictions. Five years ago another NASA scientist predicted a possible ice-free Arctic in 2012
NASA climate scientist Jay Zwally said: “At this rate, the Arctic Ocean could be nearly ice-free at the end of summer by 2012, much faster than previous predictions.”
Arctic ice extent is now within a couple percent of normal, and Alaska has the most extensive sea ice ever recorded.
University of Illinois – Cryosphere Today
Summary
For the past 30 years, NASA climate scientists under the leadership of Dr. Hansen have demonstrated nearly complete incompetence in forecasting, and they have tampered with data to try to hide their mispredictions.
Next up: THE GALAXY IS DOOMED say scientists.
Hi
There’s a problem with the Screenhunter/PaintImage links – ‘Access denied’.
Thanks for the rest of the info, though.
Should be fixed now
Hansen earns NASA 1.2 billion USD in Global Warming money a year.
http://notrickszone.com/2012/04/12/nasa-abdalatis-response-to-50-esteemed-professionals-is-managerial-negligence-an-embarrassment/#comment-92515
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/FY12-climate-fs.pdf
You hit the nail on the head. Money for global warming and zero dollars to pursue real science and answers where ever they lead. Maybe he was hit on the head with a hockey stick? I know Ozone AL was hit on the head on too many times, but he and Soros still manages to make millions off his scientific opinions snowing the masses.
I visited both links. Hansen was not mentioned in either of them, except in the reader’s comments. It would be nice to see a link to actual information.
NASA sounds like the Ministry of Truth from George Orwell’s 1984!
Hi!
The altered version for Reykjavik station on GISS site is not the same that on your gif animation. Nasa changed it? Moreover, I found 4 versions for temperature evolution at Reykjavik. Any Explanation?
There is a certain air of criminality to changing historical records .
A violation of the pubic trust that your average warmist just refuses to see.
Oh and, classic comprehensive indictment, Steven.
they are not interested in truth, honesty, integrity in any way. they have an agenda and the agenda justifies their methods.
Hansen also blames us Canadians for changing the climate, after we stepped out of the Kyoto Protocol and began to become sceptical of the man-made crisis. Hansen doesn’t like anybody disagreeing with him.
i owe an apology.
Steve, i was suckered into commenting. I believe as you do.
LIberal friend just got me good. Keep up the good fight!
I used to watch you on TV in south florida. Guy told me you converted to man made warming!
i freaked!!!
ECE
“The individual sciences of our epoch have become specialized in these three eternal vital constants the sexual instinct, the sense of death, and the space-time anguish. After their analysis, after the experimental speculation, it again becomes necessary to sublimate them. The sexual instinct must be sublimated in esthetics; the sense of death in love; and the space-time anguish in metaphysics and religion. Enough of denying; one must affirm. Enough of trying to cure; one must sublimate! Enough of disintegration; one must integrate, integrate, integrate. Instead of automatism, style; instead of nihilism, technique; instead of skepticism, faith; instead of promiscuity, rigor; instead of collectivism and uniformization individualism, differentiation, and hierarchization; instead of experimentation, tradition. Instead of Reaction or Revolution, RENAISSANCE!” – Salvador Dali (The Secret Life of Salvador Dali 1942)
Guess its time to resurrect the CO2 and Temperature disconnect page that went viral last year!
http://www.colderside.com/Colderside/Temp_%26_CO2.html
Keep up the good work, Steve!!!
NASA saw budget cut writing on the wall 30 years ago and needed a new excuse for continuing its existence. Bingo: “climate change of doom.”
Too bad the data didn’t cooperate. Now if only the voters and their leaders weren’t so gullible.
It has gotten worse under the current administration. NASA has been changed into a political organization focused on Muslim outreach and climate research. I am not sure, if there are cultists, money chasers or some other devious reason why they belittle all who disagree with them. It is a shame that Russia controls our trips to space, primary booster rocket for Atlas and now has stated no more future visits to the space station we contributed the most to operate. I know that true science welcomes continued research and would not refuse to discuss the subject with flat “Earthers” or anyone else. We know less today than we will know, unless we slip into another dark age. Why are global warming/climate change pushers so venomous about non believers? If they are right, science will prove them out. It is funny how they support using Middle East oil, not Canadian via pipeline, not US energy independence but continued flow of petro dollars to people that hate the US and use the money to support terrorism and the spread of their radical groups worldwide. The response I got from the Whitehouse about the Keystone pipeline was that Obama did not want to do anything that would increase our carbon footprint Really? Pipeline Vs ocean/truck transport? Same amount of oil? How does that not reduce the footprint? I think many voters are gullible, but politicians are devious. Now, with COMMON CORE they will educate/brainwash our children to ensure the right ideas are in place. Sad ,
I’ve wondered similar things, too! I think the venom and ridicule is due to Saul Alinsky acolytes’ adherence to Rules for Radicals. Common Core is insidious, and functions as indoctrination. There are so many contradictions in the current powers that be, as you said. I don’t understand why we’re rushing to pay money to people who hate us, i.e. for petroleum from North Africa and the Middle East, when the U.S. and Canada have such abundant natural resources of our own.
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This post could be updated now because the 2012 super El Niño didn’t happen either…
i have a IQ of 160. Ran all the numbers, though my brain. this is the answer, but it will only start taking a place, about 400 years from now. it doesn’t matter at the present time, if man kind, vanished from the earth. to Late for us. if you want to save the world, your grand kids, listen up. the only answer is. and of course, we want technology with us. Ive did the numbers. 2- 3 city’s the size of new york. only on the whole planet. so were talking about a world wide, 1 child per couple for many a years. this is the only answer, doesn’t matter, what else you try to do. it wont par up. we are talking about, population world wide. anything less, is not going to agree, with mother earth. we live in a bubble. that bubble needs the most UT most, respect. 500,000,000 will be fine for this planet. and they can keep there technology to. you can to counter act ant solution you want, but this is the real answer to all big problems. good luck. I know mankind, wont take my advice.
Hopefully they don’t let you have access to any sharp utensils where you live.
I disagree with the self declared genius. Will that guy select the 5,500,000,000 people to remove or does he think the Earth / Nature will do it? Seems like the same prediction has been made many times before. Reminds me of President Carter telling us 40 years ago all oil would be gone in a couple of decades. DOOM and GLOOM.
—-i have a IQ of 160—-
could of fooled me!
That sort of ignorance has its roots in the work of Thomas Malthus ..(whom the East India Company sent out to inventory the Planet). And its legacy is all around us today as otherwise decent people consider racial genocide “a bit of a shame” but at the same time, “an enivitable consequence”
——–The position of Malthus, the classic spokesman of zero
population growth, is too well known to dwell on here.
But also Charles Darwin, who essentially viewed man as
another form of beast, somewhat like a clever ape, took
his cue from the work of Malthus. As he himself admits,
it was a reading of Malthus’s An Essay on the Principle
of Population which prompted Darwin to compose his
Origin of Species. Vernadsky had during his student days
encountered the work of Pastor Malthus on population,
and rejected it outright. Referring to Malthus’ fundamental
thesis, Vernadsky writes:
Malthus doesn’t realize that his fundamental results
lead to entirely different conclusions. You might say
that they are simply not true, because he did not take
into consideration the fact that, estimating accurately
the long-term growth of human population geologically,
as regards food and the necessities of life, the expansion
of plant and animals comprising it, must inevitably
increase with greater force and speed, expressing a
more rapid rate of reproduction, than that of the population.
It’s necessary to always have this correction in
mind. Historically, it is only the irrational elements in
our social system that make it difficult to clearly observe
the effect of this natural phenomenon.———- http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles_2013/Fall-Winter_2013/Greening_Vernadsky.pdf
Maybe you need to shout that message to Asians and many in the 3rd World then. We often see add’s on TV, showing the poor Mother and Baby starving, but we never see the “Man” responsible, who’s only interest in life seems to be as much sex as is possible.
How ludicrous… as is the announcement of your IQ statistics. If you were that intelligent, you would realize that no one gives a crap and you would not have to announce that we should listen to you because you are a genius who did the numbers. Down boy… !
Im afraid my friends, its already to late for us. theres not enough time now for major change. the planet, without remorse, fix its self. and no man or anything else will stand in its way. population to Large, planet earth will kill us and move on. i have a IQ of 160, flip the numbers all at once through this brain of mine. the picture looks very grim, and its coming much sooner then ya think. to many people on the planet, way to many. its going down, so very soon.
Why do we have to know your IQ? Your remarks don’t bear that out. You sound frantic. The folks bringing us the doom scenarios do so because they refuse to see anything but what they want to see. They don’t want to believe the models have been wrong. They don’t want to believe temperatures have not increased for well over a decade. We are being snowed for politics. While we can do things to improve energy, make it cleaner, new technologies- I’m all for it-we do not have to take the kind of steps the Obama people are claiming we have to take. I truly hope the scare tactics don’t work. I have heard enough scientists trash such reports of doom as totally unfounded by data to realize that it is all highly exaggerated and agenda driven.
Vincent,to use Steve’s terms,I think B.K. Has the IQ of a turnip. Oh,maybe he hasn’t.
It is a shame that Obama has reduced NASA to prove climate change and Muslim outreach, both of which should not be primary objectives to a once great AMERICAN institution. I do know figures never lie, but liars figure. I think in some cases people are blinded by money or their cult like blind belief that leads them to deny other, science, continued open minded research and call all who disagree flat earthers and ignore them. I always though science is never settled, otherwise we would have stopped many years ago when the answers of those days was so well known. Regardless, it is shameful how data is being used, abused and pushed as absolute on the masses. I still think follow the money and who owns carbon credit exchanges.
Yes, James Hansen was a key figure from the early 1980’s as I point out on my website where you’ll see links to my new book “Why it’s not carbon dioxide after all” now available for less through eBay (around $15) or $5.95 through Kindle. If you are interested in learning about the new 21st century paradigm shift in climate science you’ll find an explanation therein for all planets. .
Is true science ever really settled? Follow the money. Soros likes collapsing countries and their currency making billions. Now, Soros and Gore have a great Ponzi scheme, using environmental cultists, western guilt and crooked politicians to make billions , maybe even trillions off controlling the carbon credit exchanges, They will not work unless the west commits and redistributes their wealth tot he third world where the man made carbon credits are purchased and traded via the exchanges. The irony is pollute just pay for it! It is beyond me how so many people are believers. I hope the real independent scientists keep seeking the truth .
We will!!!
Count on it!!!
Brian Kinney has a point though. With a growth rate of 1%, it takes only 70 years to double the world population. If nothing stops the population from growing, ultimately the whole earth surface would be covered with humans (which won’t happen because of food shortage, disease and other gloom & doom).
But he is wrong in thinking this is inevitable. Well developed regions like the U.S. and Europe have a growth rate close to zero. We don’t need to annihilate 90% of mankind, there’s a less cynical and more humane solution: help, facilitate and allow the development of the third world.
P.S. I have an IQ of 974 so my remark is superior to Brian’s!
The anonymous author of this article (Spectacularly Poor Climate Science at NASA) did not even include the date it was written or published.
Interesting summary of alterations over time.
Scenario C prediction, as a trend over decades and not year by year, is actually pretty good in capturing the ballpark movement and order of magnitude; especially using 80’s supercomputer technology and dynamic climatology theory. An 8 degree latitude by 10 degree longitude grid point model around the global is pretty freakin’ coarse for simulating any kind of reality.
I acknowledge that Hansen asserted that C was the least likely outcome for the future as far as projected greenhouse gas emission levels go but then this is also not a dynamic atmosphere-ocean model. The ocean is considered but is static and non responsive to changes in the atmosphere such as wind patterns that would affect the transportation of warmth by the ocean (it is assumed fixed at estimates for the climate of the day); and the ocean only responds in a simplistic manner to changes in the air temperature directly above the grid point where the calculations are made. The ocean in this 1988 model has no depth or movement (i.e. currents) simulated.
And that’s not to mention guesses as to exactly when a significant volcanic eruption would inject atmospheric cooling aerosols aloft in the model (may explain some of the noise between predicted and observed lines where they don’t line up).
The red dot the author has added is irrelevant on this plot for comparison purposes because the lines show 5-year running means not individual years let alone portions thereof. This point value is therefore not directly comparable with the line of Scenario C.
The following statement appears in many supposedly scientific proofs that global warming is not happening.
“Contrary to the forecast trend of the models, Antarctic sea ice has steadily increased – particularly in the Ross Sea.”
This is a sure sign the source is fraudulent. Sea ice increase was specifically predicted by most climate models. Technically it is not ‘sea-ice’. It is fresh water ice formed from water rapidly and increasingly running off the Antarctic land mass. Fresh water freezes at a higher temperature than sea water. So any source that claims to be knowledgeable about climate change and denies global warming based, at least in part, on increasing Antarctic ice is either a liar or ignorant.
Gene, your last sentence needed a little rework: “So any source that claims to be knowledgeable about climate change and accepts global warming based, at least in part, on anything from Hansen, NASA, or any other tax-funded agency, is either a liar or ignorant.”
Very laughable. People like you will be prosecuted for crimes against humanity for the long term. You are a testament to the US educational system — meaning – because I am sure you need interpretation — you don’t understand what science is. Cherry picking data or events isn’t science. This is done by people who are funded – not by the government – by by the carbon interests (oil, coal, and natural gas).
Suffered a head injury recently?
actually, the frequency of head injuries will go up as result of climate change
because of warming there will be more droughts
so golf courses will have to substitute astro turf for real grass…
as the baby boom generation retires and the population of golf courses peaks
there will be more falls onto hard astro turf putting greens resulting in more head injuries than would occur with natural grass
🙂
do I have future in climate science?
can I get a grant?
your not in Kansas anymore.
Gene thank you. You are an island of sanity.
Now that “sea ice” has decreased in Antarctica does that mean that it’s too cold to melt fresh land ice?
Know it all much? So the PHD’s founder of weather channel and co founder of Green are just uninformed ? Libs belittle, threaten and call names. science is never settled except in small minds. Of course you may really know all there is to know, EVER . Russian studies without the fake hockey stick say cooling and man has little impact vs sun ocean volcanoes n nature. Stop knowing all and do some research outside the grant money circle. Also check money trial behind carbon exchanges. Soros, gore own them n they make money not less co2
In the U.S., the politcal debate about climate change is over, and the warmists lost big time. The liberal, progressive, left wing Democrats were crushed in November, even though they made a big issue of “climate change”. I truly hope the crazed, left wing climate scientists keep making a big deal about the issue. Have protests, scream from the pages of your favorite left wing newspaper. It will only accelerate your losses in 2016.
Whenever someone mentions the name James Hansen, I just say, “Please don’t talk dirty to me”.
Just for fun, let’s look back at the first two paragraphs of his testimony before the Energy and Natural Resources Committee of the United States Senate on 23 June 1988, about his certainty that the record high temperatures were the result of human activity:
“Mr Chairman and committee members, thank you for the opportunity to present the results of my research on the greenhouse effect, which has been carried out with my colleagues at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
I would like to draw three main conclusions. Number one, the earth is warmer in 1988 than at any time in the history of instrumental measurements. Number two, the global warming is now large enough that we can ascribe with a degree of confidence a cause and effect relationship to the greenhouse effect. And number three, our computer simulations indicate that the greenhouse effect is already large enough to begin to effect the probability of extreme events such as summer heat waves.”
That was in June 1988… and today we know what a load of bullshit it was… “we can ascribe with a degree of confidence a cause and effect relationship to the greenhouse effect…”!!!! Really?
Minor point: in your “Sea Ice Extent” graphic, the Weddell Sea is circled, but you’ve called it the “Ross Sea” in the text below. In the graphic, it appears that the region near the Ross Sea has indeed decreased in ice, thus confirming Hansen’s prediction. It would be prudent to correct this.
I guess the author is anonymous because he has much to lose by telling the truth.
And just out on the wire today…..more from NASA:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/ancient-antarctic-ice-shelf-nearing-complete-collapse/ar-BBjOrLb
It all comes to the same and only answer, to many humans on this planet. if we don’t get a 1 child per couple world wide very soon, then nature will reduce population on its own terms. this is the only way. all this other crapp wont be enough.
berkely labs just ran an experiment validating co2 effect on the climate. Is this the end of the anti CO2 argument
I think you need to brush up on the scientific method.
I’m with EmmyP, except I’m going to be broader. I think most of this blog and the people responding need a brush up on 20th century education AND science. I can’t say I’ve ever seen such a self-serving “cherry-picked” compilation of unscientific bullshit, in direct contradiction to what we DO, in fact, know about almost every aspect of the material covered in this post. Congratulations on being the premier bottom-feeder on the Internet! By the way we’re in the 21st century now, so after you get spun up on 20th century you’ll be expected to move briskly forward…
Can you give us an example of what’s in direct contradiction to what we do know, other than you being a douchebag?
I’m not here to conduct training for idiots. Put in some time of your own time and effort like I have. Do a little higher level reading (that would be above 5th grade level) in peer reviewed scientific papers or recent scientific reporting from the likes of NASA or Goddard Space Center, or. .. well I’m sure you get the idea. Here’s an article that you should be able to handle – http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=86607&src=fb
Yea, your right, those ice caps keep building, the polar bear are expanding their range as more snow collects, the snow pack in the Sierra Nevadas are at an all time high, glaciers are growing around the world. Those climate warming nuts….
Antarctican ice has no relation to Arctic ice. Indeed as Antarctica has such subfreezing temperatures that as the world warms up it indeed might see more snow. But the earth would still be warming up. Charts on this section that show arctic ice extent don’t extend to September when the ice is at a minimum. I recommend the following site.
http://climate.nasa.gov/
It appears these charlatans using nasa as a front are commiting crimes against countries.i.e.tampering with data.why arent they arrested and charged with this crime?and still today september 2015.sky news is creating spin for this same company.a government company at that.only a few days after obama made his claim to be convinced about global warming…even though it is a fact that president obama is telling lies.because the fact is climate change does not exist.its all fiction.the Al GORES of this planet have all been found out to be snake oil salespeople.and yet here is the american president attempting to decieve us.just like he decieved the american people in his presidential campaign and his race for the whitehouse.
No one is waiting for climate change to happen, it’s here. We don’t get rain, we get flash floods. The West has record drought and most likely record flooding with the El Nino phenomenon the strongest ever seen. With all the fires, mudslides will be terrible. Flooding so bad in Indiana where I live drowned crops and made it impossible for farmers to get in the field. Every year gets warmer. How can anyone really believe climate change is a hoax to get more grant money for scholarly articles? Many here I guess. Where do you people live? in some dome that doesn’t get “weather”? It’s easier to pretend it isn’t happening since this scenario is terrifying. This is like the parents who won’t vaccinate their kids because they want to believe it’s better for them. Well, you won’t have to be a skeptic much longer, have fun kids.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The Southwest and Rocky Mountains are very wet. Indiana was much hotter in the 1930s.
If you studied history, you would know that climate is cyclical.
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Colleen, it’s important to have a keen sense of proportion. You don’t. It’s important to glean wisdom from the records of History. You haven’t. It’s important to trust but verify. You didn’t. You believed a lie and now you are trying to make others feel less than. You can’t.
Colleen , its best to keep quiet and let everybody think you are stupid than to speak and remove all doubt . The earth is 4.6 billion years old and you are looking at the last 10-20 years and say they are indicative of what is happening , NO , the stories much more complex than that and requires some effort to be put in , go and obtain some historical data on weather and climate for the last 100 years and see .
Whole groups of people have had to relocate or vanished in the past, e.g., Peru and many others. Long before industrial times. Today climate change is used to control, redistribute western wealth and make a few money.
this is literal cancer
you basically just used the generic climate change denial arguments, and all of them have been busted
https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
@ “smoke-and-mirrors-John
quote——I’m not here to conduct training for idiots——-
why not? … you seem eminently qualified
I wish people would stop acknowledging the Green-house bull-shit, an ad-hoc fairy-tale dreamt up by Carl Sagan and a few of his crony’s to explain the embarrassment suffered when a probe finally made it to Venus and tossed the “sister-planet” crap onto the trash heap where it belongs. A classic example where certain members of the Scientific elite can say whatever they damn well please without repercussion … where was the “peer”(cough) review on that guilded pig of an idea? Is this another example of “repeat it often enough and it must be true”?
This is an incredibly deceptive article, written by someone who doesn’t know the first thing about climate science. I am probably wasting my time, but I will attempt to explain the problems with this article.
First of all, a lot of Hansen’s predictions are based upon paleohistory. We know that during the Eemian, which was the last interglacial 120 thousand years ago (MIS 3e), when CO2 reached a maximum of 300 ppm in the atmosphere, the temperature was roughly 1 C warmer than today and the sea levels were 6-9 meteres higher. The last time the Earth had a similar atmosphere as we have today was during the late Pliocene, 3.5 million years ago, when there was 360-400 ppm of CO2, the sea level was 22.5 meters higher today and the temperature was 2-3 C warmer than today.
So we know from paleohistory that our atmosphere today of 400 ppm of CO2 will produce much higher temperatures and much higher sea levels in the long term. The debate is how long will it take before we come into energy balance and the temperatures will stop rising. Currently the oceans are absorbing 93% of the total heat, whereas the atmosphere only absorbs 2%, so we still haven’t experienced the majority of the heating, which will come in the future. It takes a long time to heat up the ocean which is an average depth of 4 km deep. Likewise, it takes a long time to melt the Greenland and Antarctic Ice sheets, so there is a lag between the changes in the level of greenhouse gas effects in the atmosphere and the changes in the temperature and the sea level. Eventually, however, the ocean will stop absorbing heat and the heat it has absorbed will start being emitted into the atmosphere, which will warm the temperatures. Likewise, as the icesheets melt, there will be less ice on the planet to absorb heat. Currently the Earth is absorbing more energy than it is emitting, but eventualy this energy imbalance will end and we will see the same temperature and sea rises that occurred in the past when the level of greenhouse gases was increased.
The big debate among the scientists is how fast will the changes occur, not whether they will eventually occur. James Hansen and a growing number of his collegues believe that the change will occur much faster at an exponential rate, but the consensus view as expressed by the IPCC is that these changes will occur much slower at a linear rate. There is a growing body of evidence from the paleohistory that sea level change and temperature change reaches tipping points and then changes very quickly. Hansen and his coauthors have looked at that evidence and predicts that the same will happen today. After having read a half dozen of the recent articles by Hansen et al., I find their arguments very convincing why we can expect rapid climate change in the future. Based on the paleoclimate, they argue that we need to reduce the CO2 levels to 350 ppm, or possible to 300 ppm if we want to stabilize the climate.
Now this article criticizes Hansen because he has predicted back in the late 80s, that we will start to see rapid temperature and sea rise within 20 or 30 years time. Predicting when tipping points will be reached and strong feedback loops will kick in is extremely difficult, especially in 1988 when there is was limited data from the ice cores and ocean floor samples. Today we have much better paleoclimate data, and most climatologists agree that abrupt climate will probably happen if we continue on the current path. They just don’t agree when it could happen.
If we stabilize the level of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere at today’s levels, almost all scientists will predict that the sea will be roughly 25 meters higher than today in the year 4000, because they can see that from paleohistory, but is very hard to predict how soon it will rise, because we don’t have good models for how ice sheets melt, nor to the models incorporate the topography of Greenland and Antarctica. Likewise, it is very hard to predict how fast temperatures will rise, because we have to be able to model heat flow in the oceans, cloud formation, and many other things which are not well understood.
Most models used by the IPCC Assessment Reports have left out important feedback loops, so they predict linear change, but the paleohistorical record shows climate change doesn’t occur linearly. Most feedbacks aren’t well enough understood to acturately model them. For example, we know know that roughly 25% of the warming which has occurred was caused by the disappearance of 40% of the area of the Antarctic sea ice which changed the Earth’s albedo, but most models still don’t incorporate the positive feedback from melting ice. Nobody is sure how to model the way that rising acidity in the ocean and rising temperatures are reducing the phytoplankton which is the biggest carbon sink on the planet. There has been some modeling of tropical forest dieback, which is the second largest carbon sink on the planet, but again, the CMIP5 models used in the IPCC’s Fifth Assessment Report don’t include that positive feedback.
The real disagreement among climate scientists is whether we should take drastic action now as Hansen argues because abrupt climate change is possible by mid-century or whether we can reduce greenhouse gase emissions gradually, because the radiative forcing has to be much higher to cause abrupt climate change.
This article argues that we can’t trust NASA scientists because they have mispredicted highly stochastic events like annual ice melt and el niño. Yes, professional scientists do get this stuff wrong occasionally, but this article cherry picks a few mispredictions. For example, I could just as easily point to the time that Hansen et al. accurately predicted the temperature change and change in radiative force that would occur from the SO2 that was released by the eruption of Mount Pinatubo in 1991. Short term weather prediction is highly variable, but long-term climate trends are much less variable, and prediction is much more reliable.
Most of the “evidence” presented in this article is cherry-picked and doesn’t present the whole picture. The Arctic sea ice has lost 70% of its volume since the late 1970s. Both Greenland and Antarctica are loosing ice volume at accelerating rates. The growth of sea ice around Antarctica is actually a result of climate change, but looking at Antarctica as a whole shows that it is loosing ice. Likewise, just looking at one season’s ice growth in the Arctic and ignoring the trend over 40 years is not honest science.
As for the argument that NASA GISS is manipulating the temperature record, that argument is frankly baloney. Here is what the GISS FAC has to say about:
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Q. Why can’t we use just raw data?
A. Just averaging the raw data would give results that are highly dependent on the particular locations (latitude and elevation) and reporting periods of the actual weather stations; such results would mostly reflect those accidental circumstances rather than yield meaningful information about our climate.
Q. Can you illustrate the above with a simple example?
A. Assume, e.g., that a station at the bottom of a mountain sent in reports continuously starting in 1880 and assume that a station was built near the top of that mountain and started reporting in 1900. Since those new temperatures are much lower than the temperatures from the station in the valley, averaging the two temperature series would create a substantial temperature drop starting in 1900.
Q. How can we combine the data of the two stations above in a meaningful way?
A. What may be done before combining those data is to increase the new data or lower the old ones until the two series seem consistent. How much we have to adjust these data may be estimated by comparing the time period with reports from both stations: After the offset, the averages over the common period should be equal. (This is the basis for the GISS method). As new data become available, the offset determined using that method may change. This explains why additional recent data can impact also much earlier data in any regional or global time series.
Another approach is to replace both series by their anomalies with respect to a fixed base period. This is the method used by the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) in the UK. The disadvantage is that stations that did not report during that whole base period cannot be used.
More mathematically complex methods are used by NOAA National Centers for Environmental Information (NOAA/NCEI) and the Berkeley Earth Project, but the resulting differences are small.
Moron alert
Do you say that every time you enter a room?
Hey amosbatto! I think you have done a great job of presenting the orthodox (note that I do not say “consensus”) opinion of CAGW. Pretty much everyone who frequents Tony’s (aka Steven’s) site is well aware of those arguments. Many, perhaps even most, sceptics started with a nominal acceptance of the current orthodoxy. The scepticism only came after we started looking in more depth into the scientific and logical basis of those arguments, and found them to be unconvincing.
For example, you say, “So we know from paleohistory that our atmosphere today of 400 ppm of CO2 will produce much higher temperatures and much higher sea levels in the long term.” Really? Does that logically follow? What is the error band on the 300ppm CO2 from the Eemian? Do we know whether that CO2 was responsible for the warm climate, or was it perhaps the result of the warmer seas outgassing CO2? If we are in danger of a climate tipping point today, why did the climate not tip during the Eemian when it was warmer? Or during the Holocene Climatic Optimum much more recently? Yes, the radiative properties of CO2 work to make it a greenhouse gas — but those properties only give a doubling rate of about 1 degree, and that is only in an atmosphere where water vapor is excluded. When the H2O IR overlap is included, CO2 effects become MUCH smaller. If increased water evaporation serves as a 3 or 4 times multiplier, why did that not happen during the Eemian? In fact, ANY source of warming would start the H2O feedback, even the H2O feedback triggers more H2O feedback, so how has the climate not gone run-away a billion years ago? Does it make sense that a system with positive feedback will be stable (cyclic, but still stable with no run away) for hundreds of millions of years? Even more tellingly, the distinctive marker for CO2 induced warming is a hot spot in the upper troposphere. That marker has not been observed, therefore something else must be responsible for any current warming.
We could go on and on and on, but the ONLY thing I have ever seen that convinced a warmist to change was when they did their OWN research. For example, you say, “As for the argument that NASA GISS is manipulating the temperature record, that argument is frankly baloney.” I would urge you to look over https://chiefio.wordpress.com/gistemp/
Pretend you are a Martian, cold, logical, impartial. Look at the data. No, not the “adjusted” data, the numbers that have been changed with only a hand waving justification which does not allow another person to replicate them — the actual numbers with realistic error bars.
Excellent response, but climate cult and politicians will never be open minded, it seems. I think the primary drivers now for a few is power, control and money. They want to set up carbon credits, broker the deals on the carbon credit exchanges they set up, using the CC they provide to all western governments . All made up, do they must start a panic and absolute acceptance of their crustal mission to save mankind. Once there they broker the CC exchanges taking a percent of the commodity exchange and money pours in for really nothing. Obama had declared to greatest threat to mankind is climate change. Nothing els just climate change. Insane, global terrorists is not. I think oceans, sun and natural events drive 98 to 99%, not man. But to get control , power and money man must believe the sky is falling and it is our fault . Of course climate does and gas happened and will control to happen. I just don’t believe redistribution of wealth and making money is the answer. Since when is science absolutely settled , except on this issue? Cultist mAy never be reached, but you effort to explain is appreciated .
RAYC
It’s desperately sad to watch a knowledgeable reader like Mr. Calley trying sincerely to explain how difficult it is to produce entirely clean data, and have him answered by Mr. Goddard’s two-word reply “moron alert”. Mr.Goddard means that Mr. Calley is a moron, which is a mistake. Mr. Calley’s piece is actually well-researched and he is able to make subtle distinctions between similar phenomena; i.e. he understands how science works. Mr. Goddard does not have a clue how science works, and a post consisting of the words ‘moron alert’ signals that on some level he refuses to learn how science works. That doesn’t mean he is stupid; only that he is too lazy or arrogant (or frightened of climate change, which would be a sign of some intelligence) to make the effort.
Huh?
Being “…frightened of climate change…” is not “…a sign of some intelligence.” It is exactly what someone wholly ignorant of what science can deliver, will conjure up. “Fear” is the reaction when the tools that science can provide, are not available.
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Bullcrapper Tony Heller still trying to fool his audience.
=> 30 years later, deniers are still lying about Hansen’s amazing global warming prediction