Through October, Philadelphia has averaged 59.3F. The same period in 1828 averaged 59.6F. With La Niña coming on, is unlikely that the hottest year ever will finish as warm as 1828.
CO2 levels were 280 ppm in 1828.
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Yeah, but those 1828 temperatures haven’t been adjusted yet to give the correct readings. If we were to backcast the values, they should come out to what? Something like 57°F ? After all, that’s nearly 20 years shy of two centuries of warming that has to be accounted for…
More cherry picking of the La Nina affected part of this year. Well done again!
Brendan
Even GISS accept that US temps were just as high back in the 30’s as they are now.
For instance 1934 was as hot as 1998.
“For instance 1934 was as hot as 1998.”
Not globally.
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Even globally it was within the error range of corrupted data used for the results.
If you want to compare the year 2010 to the year 1828, you obviously have to take all 12 month; aviable for 1828, but since it is only 1 November today, you have to guess the temperature of the last 2 month to get an estimate for 2010.
What the text says is: From January to October 2010 was 0.3°F colder than January to October 1828. Steven Goddard does nor think that this will be changed in Nov/Dec (due to El Niña).
That has absoultely nothing to do with cherry picking.
No guesswork involved. Both are January-October average temperatures.
It appears to be YTD average mean temperatures to me!
“You have to search real hard to find the best Cherries to make the best Cherry pie”. (Source was from an interview with a Dedro researcher and read on CA)
Cherry picking is standard practice in “Climatology”. Just read any of the promotion sites for examples of how to best “Cherry Pick”. It is also evident in most all Peer- reviewed papers.
Brendon, you are doing a fantastic job of exposing your ignorance.
El Nino is almost always followed by La Nina. When Hansen cherry picked his El Nino 12 months, he knew this was coming. That is why he rushed to the press early with his upwards adjusted numbers.
With accurate unadjusted temperature data we would find many such comparisons. Due to industrialization since the start of the record you then need to account for waste heat and land use changes ,AKA UHI. With those conditions in mind there is a possible induced warming of up to 10F or if vegetation was planted near the device and no heat was trapped near the device the temperature could be corrupted with an insulation factor that vegetation provides or even a cooling if the site was more open than today due to shading.
On average the corruption in siting issues is to induce a warming into the record so you need to adjust today’s temperatures by 5F, just to account for possible influences. 😉
Make that adjustment down by 5F!!!
How precious. I dare you to show a similar graph for a northwest location in 1828, since it is well known–with several scholarly studies–that the winter of 1827-28 was unusually hot in the eastern US but was abnormally cold in the northwest. Temperatures were being recorded in multiple locations in the US in those years. Also, there was a big problem in the Eastern US in the Spring of 1828 because crops came up early, as might be expected, and were then uniformly decimated by a late freeze. The diaries of farmers are interesting. It was an odd year, but those are the ups and downs and regional differences of weather. How is that relevant to the climate arguments?
Just like this year. California had their coldest summer on record. Nothing changes.