These apocalyptic events are so tiring that there is a great temptation to adopt the method of an ancient Chinese Emperor who would generously pay for predictions, but if they would not come true, would have the “fortune tellers” and their families executed.
http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/12-11-2010/115753-global_flood-0/
Global warming cured!
h/t to Marc Morano
and this is what passes for science reporting in Russia? Makes the old PRAVDA seem like a candidate for a pulitzer!
TonyD:
In the real world of business false predictions lead to loss of employment and the term consistent with used as an explanation makes you unemployable in that field.
You will probably think I am talking out my nether region but I spent my working career making predictions and continued with the same company for 37 years until I retired. An analyst is required to make predictions about what is required to make things work.
no Mike, I am saying Steve is.
You have explained your impressive business history (no sarcasm) and I do not doubt it, or you response.
of course this does not at all follow with regard to government contracts or subsidies in say the defense industry or agriculture, or pharmaceuticals. MUCH more lucrative than the government green money. Of course with ethanol, you have corporate interests hijacking a good idea and screwing it up, and then you get to blame the warmists for something they actually oppose!
Tony, you seem to be suggesting that private jobs are ‘MUCH more lucrative than the government green money’. Well sometimes but not for many employees. The UK had a different employment scheme for public sector jobs – the pay was poor but the pension was good, the man power high, the responsibility for mistakes was low and the job was almost certainly for life. This has changed over the years, most significantly being the pay which is often very good compared to private businesses. Job losses tend to be due to department closure rather than any lack of talent. It’s the source of US fear about having an NHS style health system.
Perhaps you could theorise, what would a climate scientist have to do to get the sack for incompetence?
Federal govt jobs are much more lucrative than private sector jobs these days. (State govt jobs are also more lucrative:- that’s why states are going bankrupt.)
and this is what passes for science reporting in Russia?
would be nice to see some of it in America.
Execution is going too far (no red button here) but they have a point. There are no penalties for climate scientists who get it wrong, unless they’re sceptics. If all, or most of the catastrophic claims turn out to be false, they’ll just shrug, claim they’re only human and rewrite the models. I once asked a person from the Met Office how long temperatures would have to stay stable or how low they would have to fall before they admitted their science was wrong. The answer – never, they just change the science to fit the data. Of course they try to change the data to fit the science first.
and the TRUTH sneaks out…. the worry now is GLOBAL COOLING
Global cooling and the new world order
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/political-climate
That would solve the Global Warming Problem. With no activists predicting the end of the world the would be no global warming to worry about.
you forgot about the hundreds of scientists that publish in peer reviewed journals.
Tell me again, I may have missed it, what value is peer review? Academia seems to have been invented to allow scientists to think stuff up without the pressures of their work being directly valuable. Fair enough, I can see the value of free thinking. However once the work impinges on the real world there should be something better to sift the fact from fiction.
TonyD:
That is exactly what I am talking about. Chances are with the state of recent climate history with the adjustments being made by Climatologists it is possible the globe has not warmed since the 30s. With the state of the Paleo Climatology it is possible we are currently only experiencing an extension of the LIA that was interrupted for 50 or so years of warming. The globe is not as warm as at least 8 separate periods in the last 10 thousand years.
Yes Without the current herd of Climatologists and their progeny catastrophic climate disruption would not exist because we would be under the realization that natural weather patterns are continuing as they always have
Mike,
First of all the assertion that Climatologists have progeny is patently ridiculous. We all know part of the warmers religion is to NOT have children, and they have all taken a secret oath to that effect*.
And I am still waiting for your explanation of how all these different weather cycles you are so fond of nullify the effect of a 30% increase in CO2 in 50 years. An increase that correlates with increasing temperature. I guess since your cycles prevent CO2 from having an effect they also prevent increases or decreases in solar activity from having an effect as well. Except for Milankovich Cycles of course, and except for the LIA which saw low solar activity. Of course I don’t have time to figure out all of the details, so would you mind, since you have figured it all out when all those idiot climate scientists haven’t? Wait, I forget, are you one of the ones that think they are idiots or sly conspirators?
* unless they are from third world nations and then they have to have extra children to punish us westerners for destroying the world.
I think the new house is going to implement a better system – THEMSELVES!. some of whom will have God telling them what is real. How could that NOT be better than panels of experts in the field.
You prefer the holy Trinity of Hansen/GCM/Hockey?
I don’t care who does it so long as they do a good job. Part of that would be to examine the data and the code, something Phil Jones admitted he’d never been asked for. Another part would be to involve totally independent judges and not peers (read buddies).
Is this one of those Gazprom stooge sites?
“Moscow has operated by making lucrative arrangements with foreign energy companies that become de facto lobbyists for the Kremlin within their own countries.”—“Why The Russia Spy Story Really Matters” (RFE/RL, 7-9-10)
The Russian petrostate and its operatives sponsor the campaign to deny global warming. This campaign is reminiscent of the KGB campaign to accuse Pentagon scientists of making AIDS.
Attorney General Cucccinelli even quotes articles from a Gazprom hood’s newspaper in his suit against the EPA. Perhaps this is because his dad is a career gas lobbyist with “European” clients.
http://legendofpineridge.blogspot.com/2010/10/attorney-general-cuccinelli-ties-his.html