The planet is in danger of crossing a “tipping point” of irreversible damage to its atmosphere, climate, water and ecosystems unless governments can develop comprehensive strategies to promote growth and sustainability, warns a new report released on Thursday by an environmental advocacy branch of the United Nations.
Jane Barr, a geographer from Montreal who authored the North American chapter of the report, said climate change could exacerbate problems related to droughts and sufficient water availability for some parts of the continent, particularly in the U.S. midwest and in western Canadian provinces such as Alberta.
“Tipping points are very controversial of course. We don’t know when they will happen or if they will happen,” she said. “Scientists do know that there are potential tipping points and that’s something new, and that’s something that this report will highlight, and it might catch people’s eyes because there are dangers out there. That is certain.”
I looked really hard and couldn’t see the rate increasing on page 4 and page 3 looks like a big crash downwards in sea level could be coming (ie Ice Age). Check out the new UN document AHHAHAHA those guys are insane
http://geology.com/news/2010/sea-level-rise-for-policy-makers.shtml?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Geologycom+%28Geology.com%29
What about the bacteria underground aren’t we doing anything to them? If we aren’t they might feel discriminated against!
90% of the biosphere actually is the bacteria under the ground. Are they included in the models, or are just the cows?
I don’t think that bacteria are well considered in climate studies.
http://e360.yale.edu/feature/the_microbe_factor_and_its_role_in_our_climate_future/2279/
TonyD:
the conclusion of that paper was: We do not know! Full of IFs and MAYBEs but in the end They admitted: WE DO NOT KNOW!
I read the words like possible and could and some of the other weasel words but I lumped them all together under if and maybe.
Another missing climate link for the CLB!
Where’s the junk science?
There is plenty of evidence that tipping points (sudden changes in the climate and environment) have happened and the past to know that they will likely happen again.
But it is not known for certain when or if this will be the case – all this is clearly stated in what you quote.
Tipping point, yeah if a 50km asteroid hits the earth something might tip
What is the point of writing a report that is full of if’s +maybe’s + but we don’t really knows?
It is exactly the same sort of junk we saw from Holdren + Ehrlich.
We are all funding the UN + personally I am getting fed up with subsidising this nonsense.
If the sun’s thermonuclear reaction suddenly goes wrong, it too could explode if the variables were right. I modeled it and it could be possible by 2099 (October)
“What is the point of writing a report that is full of if’s +maybe’s + but we don’t really knows?”
Because that is the way real science works. There are no certainties, only facts and data that fit theories.
LAZ:
There are only properly adjusted facts to fit the ACC theory. Problem is the report does not separate natural variability from ACC fantasy because without their over estimates the paper represents natural long term variability.
No real science here but lots of Pathological Science is on display.
Lazarus says:
November 16, 2010 at 12:02 pm
“What is the point of writing a report that is full of if’s +maybe’s + but we don’t really knows?”
Because that is the way real science works. There are no certainties, only facts and data that fit theories.
Unfortunately these environmental advocates have no facts +data – only theories.
I have a suggestion – anyone who wants to give money to the UN for this sort of research, let them pay a tax surcharge.
Mike, well refuted – with no supporting whatsoever.
Paul,
Science – all of it – is based on scientific theory. Do you understand what the word theory means in science? That’s not a jibe but a genuine question as they it does not mean the same thing in science as it is in common use.
LAZ MaBoy:
What you just wrote was part of the junk science. Tipping points occur every day in the real world.Only the CLB (Chicken Little Brigade) runs around crying the sky is falling every time the sun sets. It is a known scientific fact that Sunrise and Sunset are tipping points in the global climate but it would be insane to research the causes of those events. The research done for this report is about equal to a study of causes for the S&S Tipping events.
Just to confirm Mike, do you have any clue whatsoever what is meant by Tipping points in the case above? What could cause them? What could be affected? If it is sunrise and sunset in your mind, I think I need to stop treating you like an adult.
Romm seems to have reached a tipping point
The tipping points they are talking about equate to talking about sunrise and sunset.
Natural tipping points in the long term weather patterns like the Great Climate shift in 1975 associated with the change in the PDO that was displayed by ENSO going primarily warm. This is only recorded in biological activity throughout history. It does not require an if or a could but a when and will because it tipped the other way recently and along with others in your CLB Squadron are behind the curve as they were in the 70s.
If, might and could says a lot about the degree of settled science involved. Astrology uses some of the same terminology used in this report when projecting future life paths for entities that a chart was drawn up for. There are those that call Astrology pseudo science which it fits the definition of pseudo science if one thinks of it as a scientific endeavor. Astrology is more along the lines of a sociological endeavor than a scientific one. Climatology seems to fit more in the pseudo religious category but the term Pathological science defines the attempts to regard it as a science.
Steven:
I thought he tipped long ago and it is obvious his affliction is progressing more rapidly than it appeared to be a few years back.
Is there a graph of the rate of advance in Romm’s state of dementia? It this another : Its Worse than we thought situations?
It does appears to be the result of natural forces such as reality setting in to disrupt Romm’s fantasies.
LAZ:
A theory is based on a testable hypothesis. ACC has not reached the hypothesis state yet. It first has to falsify the natural cause and effect theory of long term weather patterns. It has to locate real world evidence that CO2 is more than a bit player in climate change. The know uncertainties and the unknown unknowns rule out ACC as a major factor in the real world. Just known conditions related to long term variability in clouds that can not be correctly replicated in climate models falsifies that part of the program. s we have seen Spending money to fund bigger and faster computers for climate research only makes the Garbage look prettier and to some smell a bit sweeter. GIGO is still evident in climatology!
Just the UN running for world government again …
By the way speaking of UN and WHO, who’s the Global Pandemic Level 6 going with the Swine Flu? I’m still waiting to die.
Follow the money…..
George Soros U.N. Panel Organizes $100 Billion Climate Change Shakedown Aimed Against U.S.
http://undpwatch.blogspot.com/2010/11/george-soros-un-panel-organizes-100.html
Not to mention the Greeks wanting their share to fund their profligacy.
“George Papandreou, the Greek prime minister, said new European-wide taxes might now be needed to fund bail-outs.
“We need a mechanism which can be funded through different forms and different ways,” he said. “My proposal is that taxes such as a financial tax or carbon dioxide taxes could be important revenues and resources for funding such a mechanism.” “
“Scientists do know that there are potential tipping points and that’s something new, and that’s something that this report will highlight, and it might catch people’s eyes because there are dangers out there. That is certain.”
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No, that’s not new. In fact, that’s ancient(really) news. This is alarmist clap trap. There’s dangers out there? Really? Now here’s a news flash for you Mz. Barr. One can’t nor is it desirable to eliminate dangers, (or risks if you will) from nature. It is that animating contest we like to call life. Now, Mz. Barr, please do yourself and the rest of the world a favor and go do something useful other than participating in the “end is nigh” meme.
Suyts:
Are you advocating a reduction in the make work program that science has become. All the research funding keeps these people off the streets because some would not even qualify to take orders at a fast food restaurant! Apparently MZ Barr did not do well in History, Geology, or Biology so she makes a good candidate for Climatology!
lol, I think society would benefit more if she would just go on welfare and stay home. Think of the money we would save! And the additional harm she wouldn’t be doing!
Lazarus says:
November 16, 2010 at 1:27 pm
Paul,
Do you understand what the word theory means in science?
Do you? I have found most alarmists to be woefully ignorant of answer to your questions.
Yes I do understand what a scientific theory is. I agree that most alarmists, science deniers and the public in general are woefully ignorant of the difference in meaning, that is why I asked the question.
I have little time for alarmist tree hugging environmentalists or science deniers. I base my opinions on the science – that is alarmist enough to be going on with.
Ok, you asked the question, now give us the benefit of your wisdom and answer it.
And just for good measure, name a couple of scientific theories.
LAZ:
That must be another feeble attempt at Joke of the Day. You are basing your opinions on Pathological Science during its finest moment. Some consider the science you base your opinion on as the greatest scientific fraud in history. I think it is academic creative license adjusting facts to fit the goal. Have an answer ans manufacture evidence to support it! Creative Science, if reality does not comply you only need to adjust reality.