23 – Count Em

8 Responses to 23 – Count Em

1. Andy Weiss says:

   May 26, 2011 at 1:50 am

   23 angels dancing on the head of a pin?

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2. Jimash says:

   May 26, 2011 at 2:01 am

   They count some really small or dim ones there .

   The big picture when you click the link is good, if a bit bland .

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3. Jimash says:

   May 26, 2011 at 2:26 am

   I used to tell the alarmists that the Sun drove the climate more than CO2.
   Then they would tell me that the Sun was constant and had nothing to do with the purported global warming.
   Then the Sunspots failed to appear, and the snow started piling up and they started to say ” wait till them sunspots come back , the temperature will shoot up like a rocket “.
   Then I gave up .
   How much of current climate conditions and anomalies can be ascribed to the sun’s failure to live up to predictions ?
   How far off are they ?
   How far off am I ?

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   • Beano says:

     May 26, 2011 at 4:07 am

     According to those adhering to the solar minimum / climate link, There is a lag of a few years between the “disappearance” of the sunspots and the alteration of ambient climate.

     Other Solar scientists mention that the sunspots are just one indication of the Sun’s activities. There are other indicators of solar activity which are at very low levels.

     The period 1909 – 1914 was a very low sunspot count era. We will have to wait a few years for the next solar cycle to show up and exhibit it’s characteristics before any worthwhile predictions can be made.

     In reality so little is known about the Sun that only historic records and statistics can be used as a gauge of what will happen next. The sun is currently in a situation which is unprecedented and never before observed in relatively modern study.

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     • Jimash says:

       May 26, 2011 at 5:25 am

       Thanks

       “Other Solar scientists mention that the sunspots are just one indication of the Sun’s activities. There are other indicators of solar activity which are at very low levels.”

       UV ? Magnetism ? Radio waves ? Solar wind ? Maybe things like these are climate related ?

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     • Benao says:

       May 26, 2011 at 11:39 am

       Jimash
       UV ? Magnetism ? Radio waves ? Solar wind ? Maybe things like these are climate related ?

       Various notable solar scientists attribute some or all of these things to have some climate effect. Other notable solar scientists disagree.
       Bit like climatology and various scientific opinions on it.

       One notable, highly regarded solar scientist opines. The output of the sun is fairly constant. Climate swings are due to the axis and rotation of the earth. (He maybe taking a two way bet on this and could perhaps mention that the axis and rotation of the earth are maybe affected by what you have listed above).

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     • Mike Davis says:

       May 26, 2011 at 12:09 pm

       It is obvious that similar to Climatology, Solar science is settled: They make Wild A$$ guesses based on their pet theories but are only starting to take “Baby Steps” towards any understanding!

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   • chris y says:

     May 26, 2011 at 12:46 pm

     Relax. Hansen has now prophesized, er hypothesized, in his most recent self-peer-reviewed paper (no need to peer-review Hansen’s work, after all) that the extended solar minimum is suddenly an important factor in the recent temporary pause in the globe’s inexorable acceleration into anthropogenic climate hell. Of course, depending on your historical version of hell, that is either very hot or very cold. But that is a side issue.

     He also decreed that Pinatubo created cold-in-the-pipeline that is now showing up.

     He then claimed these are apparently stronger forcings than human emissions of polluting carbon.

     Its all so confusing for the Gaianistas.

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