00.24 Sources involved in the operation to get bin Laden tell Fox News that the al-Qaeda leader appeared “scared and completely confused” and acted in a “cowardly” manner moments before he was shot. He shoved his wife towards the Navy Seal who then shot him. An AK-47 and a Makarov handgun were within the terrorist’s reach, the report said.
Right, helicopters are crashing, gunshots are being fired, stun grenades were being blown up, people are breaking through the walls – and he didn’t have time to grab his pistol which was “in reach.” But he did have time to shove his wife into the line of fire.
Why would a man reach for his gun anyway with intruders breaking into the house where his children are sleeping?
Can’t the White House hire any decent script writers to make up the narrative? This sounds like a grade C movie.
What about the pictures showing that big hole in the wall?
This whole thing is truly ridiculous… I mean, it sounds like every single thing was terribly exaggerated or a complete lie… how can the truth be so difficult to tell? You know, as I said before, I’m against torture and assassination so the whole stinks to me, but I do understand that OBL deserved death (but every man deserves a trial)… but how does Mr. B. Hussein O. expect any gain from a flub of event like this? Does he really think we Americans are so naive as to believe lie after lie? Even after the contradict each other? How can he and his advisors be this stupid?
Keep in mind who Hillary is…..
She lied and said Chelsey was at the World Trade Center when the planes hit…
She lied about being shot at on the way into Bosnia, while a little girl presented her with flowers……………
By the way, a bit un-related to this particular topic, but what is with the helicopter? Crazy looking rear rotor for one (they say “stealth” copter… like the conspiracy theorists love to talk about, black helicopters… turns out they apparently are real), but why did it crash and explode if only one man was armed? Were the SEALs firing at each other?
“but why did it crash and explode”
It hit the wall on the way down shearing off the tail section, which fell outside the wall.
They blew the rest of it up to protect the secret tech.
They are apoplectic to get that tail section back before the Chinese can see it.
I don’t see why….. it was a Chinook……. they’ve been around for a very long time. If the Chinese wanted to know how to build them, they’d already have them.
The tech is about as secret as Willis’ climate model he’s trying to get at.
No The Chinook didn’t have any problem.
It was like one of these:
http://todaysdefense.com/wp-content/plugins/rss-poster/cache/a1c85_article-1383482-0BE78D1D00000578-976_634x378.jpg
Or like a Blackhawk fitted with similar parts for radar jamming and quietness.
Well, my info said it was a Chinook….. if it were one of those oddly fitted blackhawks, just by that picture, I don’t think it would be that difficult to retro-engineer.
That said, I doubt we’ll ever be told the truth about what was or wasn’t there……..
On a related note, …….. what’s wrong with this picture/headline?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/06/obama-meets-navy-seals-raided-bin-laden/
I’ll start a different thread for this at the bottom…….
They blew it up… ah-hah. That makes sense… helicopter crashed, so the SEALs blew it up to keep it from falling into the wrong hands. That is a very good argument Mr. Jimash.
The way I understand it, there are three man things that we don’t want the Maoists to see.
The stealth coating.
The silent blade design.
The jamming electronics.
They must have flown these jammers around the Chinook,
to shield from Pakistani radar.
http://todaysdefense.com/?p=1312
Our allies must be encouraged, by our deft dissemination of the events.
While wishing, they could claim the prize.
BHO should’ve known this was bound to happen in a WH full of Clintonites.
Here is a nice infographic of the timeline … [JPG]
Very nicely done, lots of info in one place. Found it on this thread.
The original source is … http://namesake.com/blog/2011/05/infographics/a-breakdown-of-the-takedown-osamas-last-hour/
Come on guys,
The people in the World Trade Center weren’t armed and weren’t given a trial before being executed. They also hadn’t claimed responability for the WTC attack and numerous other attacks. Should Hitler been arrested and given a trial and sentenced to `life’. In Canada he would have been out in 20 years.
A trial for Osama? Come on……. imagine. Why do I have a feeling that it would have been just fine if it had been a Republican president? From my perspective this isn’t something that should be politicised (sp). People want proof that he is dead? They should have used to `old time method”. Chop off the head and stick it on top of a flag pole at ground zero. Then put up another 1/2 dozen flag poles and let it be known that each and every one was spoken for.
But just my opinion and everyone has a right to an opinion which is the great thing about this and several other similar blogs.
There were 7 million Holocaust victims. The Nuremberg trials were testament to the fact that we were still a nation of laws at that time.
This isn’t politicization – it is about the laws and core values of the USA, as well as the blinding hyprocrisy of the White House.
And do you believe that Bin Laden dead makes your world any safer?
Good points and ideally we would have had a trial. But I’m not going to second guess the special forces acting within limited resources on foreign soil.
Bin Laden dead probably makes things a bit less safe in the short term and a bit safer in the long term. Demonstrating special ops competence to the world is invaluable and extends the debate in this country to alternative means of waging a so-called war on terror.
I’m not second guessing the special forces. I’m questioning the competence, sanity and participation of the White House.
So you wouldn’t have authorized the attack? You would have bombed from a distance? We don’t really know the rules of engagement they were working under.
Had they brought Bin Laden back alive (which they obviously could have) it would have been a huge feather in Obama’s cap. Big mistake.
They were watching this place for six months. They US had to know that they had Osama heavily out manned. The house was full of children, not a military installation.
There is insufficient information available, at least to us, to know if it would have been easy or straightforward to get him alive. But there is a sufficiency of opinion.
Considering the difficulty in trying lower level detainees over the past decade, it isn’t clear that trying bin Laden in court would have served the country’s interests more than the way things turned out.
This is the United States of America, and we do have laws.
Damn right Steve. If one man is immune to the laws of this nation then have laws at all? Every man deserves a trial… if OBL had been captured I definitely would have more respect for Obama… but no, Obama used torture to gain information and then assassinated a man in his home. It does not matter what he did 10 years ago… justice was not served by murdering him.
By “torture” if you are referring to “enhanced interrogation techniques”, they occurred under Bush’s watch, not Obama. We also have no reliable information that connects information gleaned from these old interrogations to the current operation.
Are you in the intelligence community ? ;^)
As far as you know, I have no such connection. 🙂
Another not-far-fetched possibility is that Osama had become an old-ish looking frail ghost of a man, and would have elicited pity had he been paraded around.
He hadn’t left the house for five years. He was likely in pretty bad shape.
Come to think, they had “Fatty” Goering at Nuremberg, not old, mad, sickly Adolf (or worse…Goebbels) …
Poor pasty terrorist.
On a related note, …….. what’s wrong with this picture/headline?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/06/obama-meets-navy-seals-raided-bin-laden/
Damn! There were a lot of SEALs that invaded OBL’s house! No wonder a helicopter crashed… there must have been dozens that had landed there! Amazing…
lol, yes….lot’s of “SEALS”……. they don’t typically travel in that size of a group….. more, they’re at FT. CAMPBELL KY!!
That’s an Army base. Now, I’m not saying Navy SEALS don’t go there, its just that they typically don’t. They usually hang out at….. oh I don’t know……NAVAL BASES!!!
Ft. Campbell ……. home of the 101st airborne division. Look at the patches on the soldier’s arm that is half turned away from us……. its the “Screaming Eagles” 101st patch. Look at the baldheaded grinning guy. Center of his chest is his rank …….SPC4. That’s an Army rank…..naval personnel have different patches.
If it is true that there were about 40 personnel at the raid, I find it very unlikely that it was conducted by SEALS only. More likely some SEALS with special forces if SEALS were involved at all. Those guys in the picture……not. I’ve seen SPC4’s with a special forces designation, but you’d have to catch them quick…… they don’t stay SPC4’s. At least they didn’t when I was in.
NOTE!!!: Airborne does not = Special Forces. It is entirely different. Airborne comprises of a bunch of wannabe SF.
Another note: I was never any of the above mentioned.
Following that link I found this:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/06/gop-warns-obama-issue-executive-order-government-contractors/
Contractors must identify their political views? Back in the USSR!
“Let me be clear: No White House should be able to review your political party affiliation before deciding if you’re worthy of a government contract,” he said in a statement. “And no one should have to worry about whether their political support will determine their ability to get or keep a federal contract or keep their job.”—— Mitch McConnell
I agree. That said, this implies much about the process of awarding contracts. I’ve nothing against and am for disclosure to the people. Contracts should be award on the merits of the bid………… nothing more. Apparently, we don’t have a vehicle in place that insures that process.
awarded !
I not be illiterate! Damned beer……
The helicopter pilots are Ft Campbell is was reported. Seal teams and especially Team 6 aren’t sent in to capture. He wasn’t going to live through it.
Bin Laden would have died of old age before he was ever tried and having him in custody would have motivated the bad guys to kidnap someone important enough to negoiate a trade. Then you have the ACLU and all he bleeding hearts…it would have been a nightmare and especially for the people to lost loved ones. Ever talk to someone who had a relative murdered about the “agony” of the trial?? It would be agonizing for the Nation.
So you take him alive…… tell everyone he’s dead. Done.
“having him in custody would have motivated the bad guys to kidnap someone important enough to negoiate a trade.”
This is how I look at it, though now that you mention it…
They could have taken him and he could be alive, what would I know ?
Considering they went after Awlaki in Yemen in short order ( And how does Yemen feel about that?) I think we are trying to demoralize them. Might work. Could be very dangerous in the short run, as mentioned.
These people must be conclusively beaten .