St. Louis is seeing some unbelievable heat this summer: On Wednesday, the city hit 108 degrees, Weather Underground meteorologist Jeff Masters said. “This marked the 11th day this summer in St. Louis with temperatures of at least 105 degrees,” he says, “beating the old record of 10 such days in 1934.”
The closest USHCN station to St. Louis is at Warrenton, Missouri. Here are their official maximum temperatures for July 1936.
88 94 97 104 104 102 104 103 103 106 105 106 107 111 111 104 104 100 100 91 91 96 105 105 106 107 108 104 93 90 89
There were eleven days 105 and above and two days 110 and above. The average high that month was 101.23 They had sixteeen days in a row over 100 degrees.
July 2012 has seen no days over 110 and the average maximum has been 99 degrees – more than two degrees cooler than 1936. The longest stretch over 100 degrees this month was four days.
July 1936 was much hotter in St. Louis than July 2012.
I go on his blog just to laugh at how incompetent and ignorant he is, it brings me nice humor during the day.
Nothing new on masters there . The agw crowd couldn’t tell the truth if it was written and explained for them . The truth is very foreign to the agw people . On a brighter note . Here in northwest Oregon we are having a slightly cooler than the last few years summer ; that is if you don’t consider last summer which was awful . Everything seems to be matureing and ripening on time so it is good climate wise . Tree ripened fruit is sure tasty.
And probably the 1936 thermometer wasn’t set on asphalt with a flame under it. St. Louis has been consistently coming with higher temps than surrounding stations.
Cahokia, IL in the St. Louis area has had only 4 days 105 or higher this July and only 2 over 105. Yes, it is a bad summer, but hardly unprecedented. In 1954, it was officially 115 in St. Louis and as high as 117 in nearby places.
At St. Charles, MO, close to St. Louis, the highest temp in July has been 106. That is a long way from either 1954 or 1936.
He is now being paid by the Union of Concerned (more appropriately communist) Scientist to spread the lies.
“July 1936 was much hotter in St. Louis than July 2012.” No it wasn’t. The Warrenton, Mo. data also calculated the average low temperature for July 1936 as 73.2 degrees. When one computes the average temperature for July, 1936 in Warrenton, MO, one obtains 87.4 degrees. (101.2+73.6)/2 = 87.4. The average temperature for July 2012 for St. Louis was 88.1 degrees. (77.5+98.6)/2 = 88.1. 88.1 degrees is “much hotter” than 87.4 degrees.
The article I was responding to was a discussion about high temperatures. But nice try, and thanks for introducing UHI affected low temperatures into the discussion.
Steve. I quoted the last sentence of your article where you said it was “Much” hotter in St. Louis in July of 1936 than July of 2012. That sentence is factually incorrect. Also, if you care to compare the July, 1936 daily temperatures taken in the City of St. Louis at St. Louis University, to the temperatures recorded at Warrenton, you will find St. Louis cooler than Warrenton for the same time frame..
Masters article was about maximum temperatures. The Warrenton temperatures compared vs. 1936 show that 1936 was much hotter. There is no reason to believe that twenty miles away, the relative positioning was reversed.
Masters article was not about Warrenton. It was about St. Louis. And Master’s data about St. Louis is correct. BTW, Warrenton is 50+ miles from St. Louis, not 20 miles.
It was much hotter in 1936.
Mr. Master’s specified St, Louis. Mr. Master’s statement is true.
I would guess that there is something wrong with the St. Louis records, which is why I stick to USHCN daily station data.
Agreed. Dr. Masters wrote about St. Louis, not Warrentown. Substituting Warrenton for St. Louis to criticize Dr. Masters’s point about St. Louis is an invalid apples and oranges comparison.
That is absolutely ridiculous. All of the stations around St. Louis showed 1936 much hotter than 2012.
If you stated that many stations in Missouri saw more extremely hot readings in 1936, that would have been more accurate than disputing St. Louis’s having set a new mark for 105° days. Why not be more specific rather than making overly broad and incorrect statements? Warrenton is not St. Louis. Warrenton’s data is Warrenton’s, not St. Louis’s.
Steve, Check out the City if St. Charles, MO. It’s much closer to St. Louis than Warrenton. It too mirrors Warrenton’s data. As for St. Louis records being wrong, I have doubts. The data I mentioned were from St. Louis University. Why St. Louis would be cooler during the day than surrounding areas, including IL, is an interesting phenomenon. If true. I wonder if being right on top of the Mississippi river, as St. Louis is, would have an effect?
I am not concerned by any geographical differences between stations, rather the temporal difference between 1936 and the present. If all the stations around st louis were hotter during 1936, than St. Louis should have been hotter too.
I checked out Sparta, Illinois, just east of St. Louis. July, 1936 high temperatures averaged 3.2 degrees hotter than July, 2012. There is no way that St. Louis was not hotter in 1936 than 2012
I have no idea how sophisticated measuring techniques were in 1936. How reliable were they?
BTW. The only weather data I have found on the web for St. Louis prior to January 1937 is from St. Louis University. That data, evidently, does not match up to the data used by NWS. The only dates I can find from NWS for July 1936 are the dates where there were all time record highs. That being said, the differences between the two are but 1 degree.
Sounds like the usual govt. fraud.
Also check out Mascoutah IL. It’s 26 miles from St. Louis. It has an average high of over 100 degrees in July 1936.
Fraud? From 1936? The St. Louis U. recordings are over 85 years old. Get a grip.
If you don’t all ready have it, here is the link to St. Louis July 2012 weather data and corresponding HI-LO records;
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lsx/climate/cliplot/monthdisp.php?stn=KSTL&mon=7&wfo=lsx&year=2012
Here is some more. I recomend the Columbia MO. monthly High average;
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lsx/?n=cli_archive