10/19/09
(METEOROLOGYNEWS.COM) When one thinks of Moscow in the winter, visions of snow-covered domes and Russians cloaked in fur coats often come to mind. But if the mayor of Moscow has his way, this winter will be much different. It will be a winter without snow. And recent observations of the skies over Moscow indicate he may have already tested out his plan…with some eye-catching results.
How did that work out for him?
A total of 392,000 cubic meters of snow have been removed from Moscow streets in the past 24 hours, a spokesman for the Russian capital’s authorities said Sunday. He said since the start of the winter, over 17 million cu m of snow have been cleared in Moscow. Meteorologists say February has seen record snowfalls in the Russian capital in the past 40 years.
Don’t mess with Mother Nature.
You probably want to learn how snow works. The coldest places on earth get very little snow from year to year. Milder coastal climates in the Arctic get a lot of snow. Do you know why? They are warmer locations but get more snow. The coast of greenland is much warmer than central greenland, and it gets much more snow per year. Do you know why?
You are cracking me up . You started this conversation telling me that the mountains get more precipitation.
That is because the mountains are colder. The higher elevation you go, the more snow falls. Because it is colder.
Steven ya know what a Bulls Hitter is do ya?
Well then me guesses only the Bulls Hitters only know who they are… LMAO!
No. It doesn’t work like that. They get more precip due to orographic lift. Beyond a certain point they get hardly any precip at all. The colder the air, the less moisture it can cold. Thus, PWAT values are always going to be higher with higher temps – and thus you’re going to get heavier amounts when the temperature is between 25 and 33F. As you get colder, the ratios increase, yes, but the air cannot hold nearly as much moisture. This is why glaciers take so long to form – because arctic fluff at cold temps has to compress down quite a bit to turn into ice.
You don’t seem to know much about meteorology.
Complete nonsense . It doesn’t matter if it is the windward or the leeward side of the mountain, the snow is heavier at higher elevations than lower because the air is colder and more of the moisture precipitates.
In Antarctica they get very little snow in the interior because by the time the air gets there, it is extremely dry.
WOW, is that the consensus among your handlers errr something?
“WOW, is that the consensus among your handlers errr something?”
2/10 for Trolling. Try to be a little more original. I mean there are so many well-refuted arguments you could at least trot out to make things more interesting.
Like I said earlier about you or your projections! LMAO!
“Like I said earlier about you or your projections! LMAO!”
You need more emoticons or some more internet abbreviations or maybe another ‘bull’ reference. You must be getting tired.
Still I’ll award you two marks for trolling, but I’m rounding up from one.
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!
It don’t even understand what trolling is, Bulls Hit Much! LMAO!
In other words, air can only support up to a certain amount of water. As air climbs in altitude, it cools, such that the air temp reaches or goes below the dew point. When it does, the air becomes super-saturated, and precipitation forms. The middle of greenland and the middle of antarctica are desserts, yet they have 2-3 miles of ice. Can you work out why?
Did you have an O group to determine this? It sounds that way!
“Complete nonsense . It doesn’t matter if it is the windward or the leeward side of the mountain, the snow is heavier at higher elevations than lower because the air is colder and more of the moisture precipitates. ”
Actually it does matter which side of the mountains you are on. You’ve never heard of a rain shadow?
Regardless of which side of the mountains you are on, there is more snow at higher elevations than at lower elevations. Try using your brain.
“Regardless of which side of the mountains you are on, there is more snow at higher elevations than at lower elevations. Try using your brain”
No. It depends mostly on the prevailing winds since moisture is carried upslope. Try hiking a few hundred miles on the Appalachian Trail and you’ll see this for yourself.
There’s this thing called upslope flow:
http://www.skyviewweather.com/climatology/
You are being a complete idiot. More snow falls at higher elevations because it is colder. Air expands and cools as it moves upslope to areas of lower atmospheric pressure. On the other side of the mountains the air compresses and warms, causing less snow at lower elevations.
“You are being a complete idiot. More snow falls at higher elevations because it is colder. Air expands and cools as it moves upslope to areas of lower atmospheric pressure. On the other side of the mountains the air compresses and warms, causing less snow at lower elevations. ”
You could add some more insults. It really makes you look professional and scientific when you do that. You could also add more data, but by your track data you don’t read what you post very often, and when you’re called out you rarely if ever correct yourself. Hell, I corrected myself before anyone spotted anything earlier tonight.
You said it didn’t matter which side of the mountains you are on, and now it does. You said winds had nothing to do with it, and now it does.
Are you going to tell me how the Millennium Falcon could do a Kessel Run in 12 parsecs now?
Oh please. Every ski report in the world shows more snow at the top of the mountain – because air temperatures are colder. This is getting tedious.
“Oh please. Every ski report in the world shows more snow at the top of the mountain – because air temperatures are colder. This is getting tedious.”
Look at the PWAT (meltwater) values. They’ll tell a different story than the one you paint.
Now can you tell me why Greenland and Antarctica get so little precipitation when they are at 10,000+ feet?
“It don’t even understand what trolling is, Bulls Hit Much! LMAO!”
Cut and paste trolling is the best kind.
Yeah because your just an newbee and Bulls Hitting all the way through, Looks good on ya! Good fer ya to confirm it! BWAAAAHAHAHAHA!
“Yeah because your just an newbee and Bulls Hitting all the way through, Looks good on ya! Good fer ya to confirm it! BWAAAAHAHAHAHA!”
Not enough explanation marks or capital letters in this post.
😉 yeah!
“:wink: yeah!”
There you go, an emoticon. You’re getting another troll point for that. You need to have at least a ratio of 3 exclamation marks for every 2 sentences though. You might also want to try a premature/delayed release on the shift key indicating careless typing – such as “YOU ARE WRong”
WOT , the self appointed expert on , on , on nothing. He has a serious case of anasognasia . He talks and he talks and my bet is on plenty of snow for Moscow. The way wot talks I am guessing he doesn’t get out much , at least not in the real world where people actually do real work and produce a real product . Oh , and from 1969 to 1971 I was in Alaska and in one of those winters they had 5 feet of snow on the level and the temperature was minus 40 degrees for over a month. But try to tell that to wot. I guess the real world doesn’t count when you are a crazed warmist. If Fairbanks had been higher in elevation it could have started a glacier hahahahaha. I loved the scenery and the wildlife and the people in Alaska but I don’t miss the cold or the wind.
You could use more work. Try more personal anecdotes instead of just one – and don’t bother to use things like numbers. They only weigh you down because they can be verified. You also won’t get 5 feet of accumulated snow in one winter if the temp is at -40F. The snow you talked about probably happened well below the temperature ever got that cold. At a temp of -40F you’d have to have constant precipitation for about 4 or 5 months to get even a foot. There simply cannot be enough moisture in the air at that temperature.
“well below the temperature”
Should be *well before*
Are ya winning in your mind?
How about the others helping? LMAO!
“Are ya winning in your mind?”
Good job for typing out a somewhat original post. It still isn’t snarky enough, so keep trying.
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHA! So are ya?
Please… There is always a temperature gradient. By the time the air gets to a place where it is -40F, all the moisture has precipitated out. If a moist airmass ever did hit a pocket of -40 degree air, the snow would be phenomenal.
“BWAAAAAHAHAHAHA! So are ya?”
There you go, more capital letters. Although I’m too lazy to do it now, I’m thinking you’re cutting and pasting that ‘laugh’ since it seems to be the same number of letters and the exact same spelling. You could have it in your spell-check dictionary though.
No reference to bulls, this time? I missed that.
Excellent, and there you go again Bulls Hitting yet again. At least we know yer not new at that! LMAO!
BWAAAAAHAHAHA! Is that odd enourh fer ya or is BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
What a moron ya are WOT! WOT! WOT!
Now do you understand what a troll is? WOT! WOT! WOT! WOT!
“BWAAAAAHAHAHA! Is that odd enourh fer ya or is BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
What a moron ya are WOT! WOT! WOT!
Now do you understand what a troll is? WOT! WOT! WOT! WOT!”
A little better. You still need to do some typing with a non-synched shift key to be a little more believable. You could put more effort into this. I dare you to do better.
Nice try BWAAAAHAHAHAHA, Ya Bulls Hitter! 😉
“Please… There is always a temperature gradient. By the time the air gets to a place where it is -40F, all the moisture has precipitated out. If a moist airmass ever did hit a pocket of -40 degree air, the snow would be phenomenal. ”
So why didn’t you direct that John instead of me. That is kind of what I said. Of course even with a tight gradient the moisture wouldn’t make it that far, and even though the snow ratios would be very high, it would melt down to very little water.
Very little water? The critical snowpack in Colorado is all above 10,000 feet.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/05/26/trail-ridge-road-memorial-day-weekend/
Yes very little water. The amount of water air can hold versus temperature is less and less as the air gets colder. But, at 10,000 feet at that latitude it won’t get to -40F very often, now will it? Even in the dead of winter at 10k feet it’s below freezing yes, but not very much below 0 if at all.
Heavy snow falls at frontal boundaries where cold air meets warm moist air. The colder the air, the more snow falls. Heavy snow does not fall in the interior of Antarctica, because moist air never gets there.
Steven, (answer this honestly) – if you are such an expert on climate science, then how come you didn’t get a degree or PhD in climate science, or aren’t publishing peer-reviewed science anywhere on climate? It seems to me if you are so confident of your conclusions you could make millions of dollars being a science against AGW because you could be backed by energy companies and they’d love you to death. You could make a fortune lobbying for them. Others have and they never published any real science.
Anyone can put up a blog. Anyone can have people post simple responses and simple insults without posting any data whatsoever. It’s not exactly honest lab research or going out and drilling for ice cores.
So why are you wasting time with this blog? Why aren’t you going out there in the world of science and publishing actual peer-reviewed work?
I’m making really good money as an electrical engineer. Much better than any legitimate money which climate scientists make from their actual job.
Stop. don’t give that assclown any more info than what is reqiured.
Play their game against them.
They know the FOI?
WOW, this guy is good? 😉
“I’m making really good money as an electrical engineer. Much better than any legitimate money which climate scientists make from their actual job. ”
So wait, you aren’t an expert in meteorology or climate science? Figures when you can’t even get fundamental facts down, such as Andrew’s landfall strength.
You are making a complete fool out of yourself again.
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/hurdat/ushurrlist18512009.txt
Andrew – 145
AWWWEEE WOT the Bulls Hitter went bye bye!
😉 Screen captured all this here! 😆
You figure it out and let me know?
I think the point is not how clever Steve is but how stupid you are. Steve doesn’t need a phd in climatology to make you look like a fool, although you may believe otherwise.
Funny how the Russians openly trash AGW. Their government shat on the Kyoto Protocol.
WOT, which one of the 100 or so sub-sets of climate science are you an expert?