the arctic is now at its warmest state in history
– Ed Markey
People who say things like that should volunteer to live there. The entire summer was below normal temperatures in the high Arctic (as it has been for the last dozen years) and parts of Alaska and Siberia had one of their coldest winters and summers on record.
People were saying the same things 60 years ago, but unlike Markey they actually knew what they were talking about..
CLEVELAND, Feb. 16 (A.A.P.) Dr. William S. Carlson, an Arctic expert, said to-night that the Polar icecaps were melting at an astonishing and unexplained rate and were threatening to swamp seaports by raising the ocean levels.
Leading Arctic expert from 1953
The glaciers of Norway and Alaska are only half the size they were 50 years age. The temperature around Spitsbergen has so modified that the sailing time has lengthened from three to eight months of the year,”
Leading Arctic expert from 1952
LONDON (A.P.).-The earth is getting warmer. The oceans are getting deeper. The glaciers are getting smaller. Even the fish are changing their way of life.
All this and more is going on because of a vast, unaccountable, century-by-century change, in climate. In his study at Bedford College in London, Britain’s distinguished geographer, Professor Gordon Manley, is worrying about it.
Dr. Ahlman urged the establishment of an international agency to study conditions on a global basis. Temperatures had risen 10 degrees since 1900. The navigable season along Western Spitzbergen now last- ed eight months instead of three.
Leading Arctic expert from 1947
it was concluded that near Polar temperatures are on an average six degrees higher than those registered by Nansen 40 years ago. Ice measurements were on an average only 6½ feet against from 9¼ to 13 feet.
The Norwegian, Captain Wiktor Arnesen, who has just returned from the Arctic, clains to have discovered an island 12 miles in circumference near the Franz Joseph Island, in latitude 80.40. He says that the island previously was hidden by an iceberg between 70 and 80 feet high, which has melted, showing the exceptional nature of the recent thawing in the Arctic.
The Courier-Mail Monday 6 May 1940
By far the largest number of local glaciers in north-east Greenland had receded very greatly during recent decades, and it would not be exaggerating to say that these glaciers were nearing a catastrophe.
InAlaska glaciers had been retreating from 100 to 200 years, the average rate of recession being about 50 feet a year. The Antarctic ice- sheet also showed signs of recent retreat.
“In fact,” said Professor Speight, “no case is recorded of a region of the world in which there are present signs of an advance.
The Sydney Morning Herald Friday 13 January 1939
Glacier Bay was first surveyed in detail in 1794 by a team from the H.M.S. Discovery, captained by George Vancouver. At the time the survey produced showed a mere indentation in the shoreline. That massive glacier was more than 4,000 feet thick in places, up to 20 miles wide, and extended more than 100 miles to the St. Elias mountain range.
By 1879, however, naturalist John Muir discovered that the ice had retreated more than 30 miles forming an actual bay. By 1916, the Grand Pacific Glacier – the main glacier credited with carving the bay – had melted back 60 miles to the head of what is now Tarr Inlet.
h/t to Marc Morano and Tom Nelson
NBC would mess up telling the time and if it was raining outside their office building.
“Global warming” lies would come to an end if all of average Americans took a very little time to look into the issue for themselves. They would see what is going on and no politician would dare come out and like like Markey is.
typo
lie like Markey is
History started in 1979.
But this current melt has a ‘fingerprint’. Don and Julienne waved their hands and said so.
The same fingerprint that was found on the spilled whiskey glasses that were pushed passed their tipping point at the Consensus Club.
Gator69,
Your comment highlights one of the barriers that hinder effective communication of climate science, the issue of the general public’s state of scientific literacy (an issue that has been discussed on numerous occasions by the National Science Foundation). If one has a background that includes science, math, or statistics, one can readily relate to attribution/optimal fingerprinting. If not, what is a robust approach that provides evidence of how climate change is affecting ongoing events makes little difference and, worse, is often dismissed out-of-hand. The fairly recent gap between outcomes expected from natural forcings and observed outcomes in summer Arctic sea ice trends correlates well with rising CO2 and is evidence of an anthropogenic contribution.
No Doc, this is the problem…
“2.9.1 Uncertainties in Radiative Forcing”
When it comes to understanding climate drivers, 13 out of 16 forcings are listed as ‘low’ to ‘very low’ in 2.9.1 Uncertainties in Radiative Forcing of AR4. We have a basic understanding of only about 20% of IDENTIFIED forcings.
You need to go back and study logic and critical thinking my friend.
I have the necessary training, I spent six years as a geology student and another year studying climatology. I also have a degree in Remote Sensing, and am more than familiar with statistical mapping trickery, as I once used it myself.
Now, back to the other issue at hand. Are you ready for that emergency brain surgery we discussed? After all, I do know about 20% of what is necessary to fix you, as far as I know.
Gator69,
The barriers to effective communication I cited are real, but don’t fit your case. Perhaps the experience using statistics appears to have influenced your outlook against attribution? However, one should not automatically assume that most or all scientists who are using attribution to try to better understand climate change are doing so with a purpose other than trying to identify evidence of climate change.
No, the communication problem is a contrived problem coming from the alarmist camp and enabling leftist media. The truth is that noone knows what is driving climate change. Just be honest and quit trying to pull the wool over the public eye. Both you and Julienne have repeatedly overstated the case for CAGW, to the point of nausea.
BTW – Do you think all Chevy salesmen are in it to make sure you drive the best damn car in America? Scientists are NO different than anyone else, there are frauds to be found everywhere, and the first sign of fraud is lying and hiding.
Gator69,”After all, I do know about 20% of what is necessary to fix you, as far as I know.”.
Excellent analogy. 🙂
Sutherland,”The fairly recent gap between outcomes expected from natural forcings and observed outcomes in summer Arctic sea ice trends correlates well with rising CO2 and is evidence of an anthropogenic contribution.”
Keep fooling yourself Don. You have a few decades of questionable data and eons of unknowns. Look at the ice age temperature graph Steven has posted and try to use your brain.
Don,
The only barrier to effective communication between scientists over AGW is REALITY. I guarantee they never heard Gator say a thing.
What’s more you say the early August summer storms which broke up the Arctic were down to C02? Hmmm, lets us compare storms with other C02 rich planets ….. Nope! You are on your own here. Nothing robust in a consensus.
http://www.warwickhughes.com/hoyt/scorecard.htm
The leading geographer from 1950, Prof. Manley, was right about one thing in that article, presuming he said it.
“Even now the consequence of the great climate change is measured in politics, economics and money”
Very visionary.
US Navy showed us that sea ice was already in death spiral at 54 years ago
http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx206/MWPeriod/Kokonytnkaappaus622012154921bmp.jpg
picture catched from this movie
MSTS ARCTIC OPERATIONS 1957 (1958)
http://archive.org/details/gov.dod.dimoc.24371
Summit is having trouble getting much above 0 F, let alone 0 C. There is going to be a long wait for frost to melt on the greens and fairways, at least 50,000 years.
Elsewhere I posted on why NIC is more accurate for current year ice during melt season.
But if you don’t like what the US Navy puts in their ice charts, you can get a third, independent perspective from Russia. The AARI has been studying and mapping the polar regions for a very long time, currently one of them chairs the ETSI and they maintain a global sea ice database (the other one is at NSIDC). Their ice charts can be accessed here:
http://www.aari.ru/main.php?lg…
A warning note: The Russians are not alarmed by what they see in the Arctic.
“In winter, the newly formed ice actively grows up to a 1.2 meter thick layer, while the costal ice grows up to 2.0 meters. Consequently, the Arctic sea ice layer does not change significantly. Moreover, according to Genrikh Alekseev, in the summer, ice melts in various seas unequally. This year, the seas through which the Northern Shipping Route passes are covered with an unusually thicker ice layer. The Barents Sea is covered by a thin ice layer, but the amount of ice in the Kara, Laptev, East-Siberian and Chukotskiy seas exceeds the level of 2007. The conditions in the Arctic in the warm summer can be considered abnormal, but the Northern Shipping Route has not been completely freed from ice yet. This means icebreakers will be needed in the future, says the scientist.”The extreme melting of ice in the summer 2012 is most likely the last gesture that the warming is ending. In fact, ice is a product of climate, and when comparing the graphs of the air temperature and melting ice, one can see that they coincide, Genrikh Alekseev said.http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_08…