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To heck with Lake Tahoe this September! Let’s grab the pontoon boats and jet skis, and rendezvous in the Arctic for Labor Day weekend. Don’t forget your sunscreen!
Gator: Some years back, there were a pair of female global warming activists who did a trek to the arctic. They packed dry suits so they could swim between the large gaps in the ice to get to their destination.
Instead they ended up huddling in a tent with -100 F weather outside. One of the women lost a number of toes to frostbite.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/12/AR2007031200997.html
“They repaired the snowshoe with binding from a ski, but Atwood said the patch job created pressure on Arnesen’s left foot, which led to blisters that then turned into frostbite.”
I’ve had a good number of blisters over the years, and not one of them turned into frostbite. Why is it that alarmists do not understand thermal energy?
“Why is it that alarmists do not understand thermal energy?”
If they understood that, they wouldn’t be alarmists!
I have adopted the recommended Climate Science™ approach to prediction in these matters and have extrapolated the current rate of ice loss to project the date of an Ice Free Arctic™.
I can confidently report that the arctic will be ice free on 21 April 2014.
Heh. And then 21 April 2015, then 21 April 2016, then 21 April 2017..
Hell-is-Like Newark’s tail is similar to the one that happened this spring to three adventurous Britts who set out on foot to cross Greenland. Despite having plenty of Gator Aid and salt tablets, a storm blew their tent away the first night. Things did not end well for our adventures. One member of the expedition died from hypothermia the first night. I am also afraid that the other two Englishmen’s piggy’s won’t be going wee wee wee all the back way home with them either.
Steve,
Why do you post a Northern Hemisphere graph in the Spring when your topic is Summer in the Arctic?
Moron Alert!
Laz2 liar alert!
@T.O.O. Pop quiz:
1) What hemisphere is the Arctic in?
2) What season comes after spring?
If you can answer those, you can answer your own question.
LLAP,
1) Goddard posts a graph regarding the current levels of sea ice for 50% of the globe (Northern Hemisphere)
2) Then he tries to connect that to the area of sea ice for 4% of the globe (size of Arctic Circle) in 4 months time.
That is not comparing apples to oranges, that is trying to compare raisins to watermelons.
You are a genuine imbecile. Antarctic sea ice area has been above normal for almost 18 straight months. Try growing a brain.
Steve,
You are jumping even further away from the Arctic way down to the Antarctic. Now you are comparing raisins to tractors.
@T.O.O. Currently about 90% of the Northern Hemisphere sea ice is within the Arctic Circle (Hudson Bay and Southern Greenland excepted).
P.S. In 4 months time, how much sea ice will there be in the Northern Hemisphere that is outside of the Arctic Circle … hmm?
LLAP,
Precisely. Why did Goddard post a graph of the Northern Hemisphere in the Spring when he is trying to make a point about the Arctic in Summer? I have often noticed he makes a mishmash of things.
@T.O.O. “Why did Goddard post a graph of the Northern Hemisphere in the Spring when he is trying to make a point about the Arctic in Summer?”
I thought the point of Steve’s post was pretty obvious. Based on current spring ice extent in the Northern Hemisphere (most of which is within the Arctic Circle), there is no chance of an ice-free Arctic this summer, despite such a claim made only 5-6 years ago (see Steve’s post). Satisfied?
LLAP,
Not really. Arctic ice EXTENT has been very consistent over the past few years for this time of year (although way down compared to the 30-year average), however the VOLUME of Arctic Ice has dropped 80% since 1979 and late Summer EXTENT has been dropping precipitously as a result. I see nothing to reverse this trend, Spring maps of the Northern Hemisphere notwithstanding.
My bet is that late Summer 2013 extent will also be one of the lowest on record.
My bet is that you are incapable of learning.
After Adjustments, 2013 minimum extent-as reported- will be whatever Mark Serreze was hoping it would be. Hopes for crisis will drive reported volumes as well.
Divine and Dick (2006) used historical April through August ice observations made in the Nordic Seas—comprised of the Iceland, Greenland, Norwegian, and Barents Seas, and noted “evidence was found of oscillations in ice cover with periods of about 60 to 80 years and 20 to 30 years, superimposed on a continuous negative trend,” which observations are indicative of a “persistent ice retreat since the second half of the 19th century” , that began well before anthropogenic CO2 emissions could have had much effect on earth’s climate.
And it has been noted –
The huge warming of the Arctic that started in the early 1920s and lasted for almost two decades is one of the most spectacular climate events of the twentieth century. During the peak period 1930–40, the annually averaged temperature anomaly for the area 60°–90°N amounted to some 1.7°C. Whether this event is an example of an internal climate mode or is externally forced, such as by enhanced solar effects, is presently under debate. This study suggests that natural variability is a likely cause, with reduced sea ice cover being crucial for the warming. A robust sea ice–air temperature relationship was demonstrated by a set of four simulations with the atmospheric ECHAM model forced with observed SST and sea ice concentrations.
In other words melting of the Arctic is known to have happened before (probably many times) and the Arctic has recovered before.
@T.O.O. that is probably a new idea to you so please check it out.
Bengtsson, Lennart, Vladimir A. Semenov, Ola M. Johannessen, 2004: The Early Twentieth-Century Warming in the Arctic—A Possible Mechanism. J. Climate, 17, 4045–4057.
Warmists have scared people so much that they disastrously end up killing their own children and committing suicide. In my view, facts are totally wasted on them, tckev. A glacier could knock on tooey’s door and he would still believe in CAGW.