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And Antarctic sea ice is has been above normal for about a year and half now, so it’s worse than they’d thought.
Would it not be great if the 2013 summer ice was above the 79 to now average?
And then there’s nature’s natural mosquito repellant.
http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/89799.html
You can’t keep saying this, Mr Goddard.
In the world of post-normal science, normal is abnormal.
Global warming is causing the ice to be normal.
Any predictions for this melting season, Steve? Now is the perfect time to ask you, of course. š
Maslowski predicted ice-free in 2013. I take it that you agree?
Maslowski predicted 2016, Ā± 3 years. I agree that this is possible. As far as this year is concerned, right now I think that 2013 will go below 2007, barring continuous anomalous weather that is far from conducive to sea ice extent/area decrease (like we’ve seen in these first couple of weeks of the melting season). I’m far from sure that it will go below last year, though.
But if things remain around this level of volume and FYI/MYI-ratio in coming years, a summer like we saw in 2007 will bring the Arctic very close to ice-free conditions in August/September, ie lower than 1 million km2.
The weather still determines the outcome, but it’s a lot less dominant than in the pre-2005 period. Like we saw last year.
But how about you, Steve? Where will 2013 end up?
2013 will end with about 13 million km^2 of Arctic ice, like it does every year.
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php
Ah yes, the word games, I should’ve been more careful. Allow me to try again:
Steve, where will the 2013 melting season end up? Will the minimum be above 2012? Will it be above 2007?
The sun is at its peak in the Arctic now, and ice area is right at the 30 year mean. Is there some reason you are not interested in living in the present and discussing all that SW radiation which is being reflected back into space?
Please, answer the question.
Why are you uninterested in the present?
I’m very interested in the present. As you know I’m running the Arctic Sea Ice blog and have set up the Arctic Sea Ice Graphs page that shows almost real time conditions in the Arctic.
Why are you not answering my question concerning the 2013 minimum?
Nobody knows what the ice will be like in three months. Why are you obsessed with discussing it? There is almost no sunlight at that time and it has little effect on the SW radiative balance. June conditions are far more interesting from a climate viewpoint, and we have accurate information about June – as opposed to no information about September.
RE: NevenA – “melting season”
NevenA,
Why are you so one-dimensional, as if ice is never expelled via the Fram strait, as if weeks long cyclones never break up the ice, as if modern technology has no impact on ice sheet integrity?
Can you admit it is all of the above, and more?
OK, Steve, thanks. Good luck with whatever it is you’re trying to achieve. See you around.
You do know that 97% of climate models have been falsified?
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2013/06/still-epic-fail-73-climate-models-vs-measurements-running-5-year-means/
Yes, I know that they’re doing a bad job at modelling Arctic sea ice loss. CMIP5 is an improvement, but still far from good enough. Observations are outpacing projections at an unnerving rate.
Actually you’re wrong. The only thing that the IPCC models have got right is Arctic warming trends. They get the rest of the planet wrong, though.
And the Arctic sea ice. They get that wrong too, big time.
Arctic temperatures have been running far below normal.
Arctic ice area is at a 12 year high for the date.
Be sure to let us know when it’s at a 12 year low for the date. š
Ice melts. Big deal.
The chart’s actually very informative. It shows that during the period 1979-2006, the average minimum ice extent for September has been six million square kilometers. In the years since, it has been no greater than five MK2… and in fact has fallen as low as three MK2. That’s a rather striking departure from normal, wouldn’t you say?
Then there’s the matter of ice thinning, which has also been measured accurately. There’s just suddenly a lot less ice up there than there ever used to be. In winter, in summer, all the time now.
Arctic ice area is 100% of normal and the highest for the date in the last 12 years. That must be due to the extremely thin ice.
Dear Steve, It looks like your method is to simply state unsourced assertions, and deny any evidence to the contrary. Am I right?
For instance you say “Arctic ice area is 100% of normal and the highest for the date in the last 12 years.” But that is the direct opposite of true. Check this for actual evidence:
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
You say “Arctic ice area is at a 12 year high for the date.” But that means nothing. The important clue that global climate has changed is found by comparing the years since 1998 with the years before that date. Minor deviations from one year to the next don’t affect the fact that something very new is happening now. Something that hasn’t happened since the end of the last ice age. You’re trying to play games with the statistics.
And you say “Arctic temperatures have been running far below normal.” But again, you are both unsupported and way off. Arctic temps were running well above normal (that is, ERA40) this winter. And are only slightly below normal at present. See this:
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
Of course I’m biased. I like to reference the actual data.
If you aren’t intelligent enough to understand the simple ice area graph above, there is nothing I can do for you.
RE: Michael – “Of course Iām biased. I like to reference the actual data.”
You realize of course the irony of your statement and link. You reference a model, not the actual data. You admit bias towards referencing data, then reference a model estimate instead.
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Michael, has the Arctic been “Ice Free” in the 20th century, say prior to 1960?
Have you been IQ free at any time recently?
If that is directed at me, I’m not sure what you’re getting at.