The rowers are planning on publicizing disappearing ice, by rowing through the third most concentrated ice pack ever recorded in the western Arctic.
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hahaha.. Bwahhahaaaha…
But it will still be sold and believed!
And they aren’t actually “crossing” a damn thing. Looking at their route, this would be like me telling you I am going to cross my backyard without hitting a dog turd, but, by walking my fence line! Give me a fricken break. These morons are a complete joke, and the games haven’t even begun yet. This is so far beyond stupid I don’t even know where to begin.
What will be sold and believed?
That they “crossed the Arctic in a row boat” .. you dolt …
Are you saying you consider rowing a boat 3000 kilometers from Inuvik all the way to Baffin island as being insignificant?
I do a lot of rowing, and am quite certain you can’t row through ice.
For once I agree with you 100 percent.
What they can do is row around the ice.
Firstly, yes, it is a joke beyond words. People have rowed across around the world, walked a tightrope across the grand canyon, walked on the moon! .. so yes, this is totally insignificant! I can name a thousand feats that are far more significant than this. Yesterday I saved 3 turtles from certain annihilation on the roadway. What I did yesterday was far more significant than this. At least I save 3 valuable lives!
Secondly, it is being hyped up as being an “Arctic crossing“, to which I say emphatically … bullshit … This is an Arctic “crossing” like driving to the end of my driveway is to a European vacation …. it is a farce! .. 100% bullshit! This so-called “Arctic crossing” is a pathetic, grandstanding, propagandizing stunt, rot with bullshit, lies and propaganda. It is being billed as something it is not! Which is false advertisement at the very least. It is embarrassing to the human race that this stupid stunt is being heralded as a “significant achievement”. Getting my morning shit done before I leave the house is a more significant achievement!
Row around 98% concentration ice?
Has it occurred to you how dangerous it is to try to row through a narrow gap next to a 30 mile long block of MYI? The wind shifts and you are crushed.
This is what I call “crossing the Arctic”, and you aren’t going to do that with a row boat unless it is strapped to the top of your monster truck!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2327494/Crossing-worlds-terrifying-terrain–giant-red-bus-Eight-intrepid-explorers-people-DRIVE-Russia-Canada-North-Pole.html
Big deal they were driving a truck.
Keven Vallely, leader of this expedition skied to the south pole, setting the fastest time ever for an unassisted trek to the south pole by knocking six days off the old record.
That is a lot more impressive than a joy ride in an SUV.
Nobody SANE can honestly say that rowing 3000 km in the Arctic is anything but impressive.
Skiing to the south pole is impressive, this is not
BTW, RRRegie … did you happen to notice the route taken? … This is what is called “crossing the Arctic” … What these rowing morons are doing is not .. they are crossing the street!
Squid, you are detached from reality if you believe rowing 3000 km is just crossing the street.
Are you aware that their destination is Baffin Island?
You problem is that you are looking at maps that are scaled and you don’t appreciate how much open water that has to be crossed as they head north hopping island to island. There are places where it could take several days, possible a week to cross that open water
The stories and accounting of their trip over the coming weeks should be great entertainment and they could start a new “Survival” show with a comical twist:)
Hey Reggie …. pppfffftttt…. not impressed in the slightest….
Hey Reggie, my coworker that sits beside me, at the age of 11yrs old, dodge bullets from the Vietcong while navigating uninhabited jungle. Got to a boat, survived a hurricane, almost starved to death during his Pacific crossing. At one point his (and his brother’s) lives were saved by a kind elderly woman that bought their lives with her wedding ring. All in a boat about the same size as these jackoffs that are “rowing across the arctic”. It took them several weeks to make that crossing, with very little food or water. Several peopled died along the way. All this just to escape communism and almost certain death by the Vietcong. Now that is impressive!
It is going to take a whole lot more than a corporate sponsored propaganda junket to impress me.
Again … pppfffffttttt… stupid bullshit!
Reggie, apparently you have not remembered the total FAIL of the previous Warmers who were going to prove the arctic ice is melting SOOOOOOOOO fast it is easy to sail, row, paddle around up there. I figure they will give up long before they hit 2000 km. That is pretty good rowing if they can make it that far, but, with the air temps staying at freezing they will probably end up like the kayakers and others who were freezing!!!
Here is another expedition from last year, Arctic Row:
http://www.redorbit.com/news/business/1112705125/team-arctic-row-completes-expedition-and-sets-new-ocean-rowing/
After 30 days of rowing they completed their trip from Inuvik Canada to Providenya Russia a distance of 1300 miles. Uh, wait a minute. The story says they ended in Point Hope ALASKA!!!! 40 days and 1000 Miles, except, it was probably only 1000 kilometers as Pt. Hope isn’t even in the Bering Straight!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Here is what they planned from a sponsor:
http://www.windenergy.com/case-studies/recreation-adventure/arctic-row
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/into-thin-ice-arctic-row
Last year was an especially low ice year and they were nowhere near the main ice mass!!!
Another expedition was to row to the MAGNETIC pole.Here is their site where they claimed a win.
http://www.rowtothepole.com/
Oh wait, they say they used satellite technology to track them to the location of the magnetic pole as of 1996!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Another FAIL for Gorebull Warming LOSERS!!!
Don’t have time now, but, you could look up the kayakers who were going to paddle to the pole and the Sailing ships who mostly failed also in the last 4 years!!! Yes there have been some tankers transiting the Arctic during the summer. ALL ESCORTED BY ICE BREAKERS!!! Seems the fact that the ice is less than 30% doesn’t mean it is clear sailing even for Kayaks. There is still the weather.
Consider those Kayaks. Straight line distance is 2000 km say. If you are continually going around blocks of ice that distance becomes 2500 or 3000 or even 4000 km and instead of less strenuous straightline paddling, you are continuously turning, backing, backtracking… And that is assuming they do NOT get unlucky and are stuck or crushed by the ice.
Nope, if I had money to bet it would be on another FAILURE!!!
Their safety supplies include flares, rubber bullets and shotgun slugs and they really need to begin with the slugs:)
Probably going to use those rubber bullets to stick on the teeth of Orcas and Polar bears!! With the mouth stuck open a flare in the gullet just MIGHT discourage the animals…
This is pretty significant. Been keeping tabs on this area, as seen from previous posts. This anomaly map shows where the ice is above normal.
http://ice-glaces.ec.gc.ca/prods/WIS56DPTCT/20130624180000_WIS56DPTCT_0007128979.gif
Steve, there won’t be 98 percent ice concentration, that is a straw-man you constructed.
My “blowtorch” has already turned your straw-man into ashes.
In a few days you’ll drop that silliness, just like you stopped posting the webcam pictures from Barrow.
Ahh. That is why Environment Canada is reporting 98% concentration in the western Arctic
Did you bother to look at the graph?
Patience Steve, they won”t be there for at least a week.
Are you willing to go on the record and claim that the ice concentration will anywhere close to 98 percent seven days from now?
I’m willing to go on record as saying that you have no clue what you are talking about.
You are always afraid to go on the record.
He goes on the record everyday you dumbass!
These silly rowers are wasting their time. People no longer give a flying rats ass about such pathetic efforts. Let’s hope they become polar bear lunch. 🙂
Really, who cares if some fool tries to row some part of the arctic ocean? Who cares if the arctic is ice free? I’m busy trying to make a living so I can pay my taxes to the neo-fascists.
B I N G O ! ! !
I knew this stupid stunt sounded familiar…….
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/14/no-ice-at-barrow/
Apparently those 4 guys did make it last year on their row along the Alaskan coast. http://www.arcticrow.com/
Somehow, I reckon, this honeymoon will not end as well.
Andy,
check the link I put up there. They had planned to row through the Bering straight to Russia and cut their row short and claimed a record apparently to cover their stopping due to bad conditions!!!
Ahhhh. Public Relations propaganda 101.
Just like
http://youtu.be/yfAeMtcURg0
and Barrow stil has a load of ice there too….
http://seaice.alaska.edu/gi/observatories/barrow_webcam
More bad news for the ice.
Check out the current rate of decline for ice extent compared to 2012. It looks like it dropped off a cliff this week.
I wonder what could have caused that to happen?
http://meteomodel.pl/klimat/arcticice_nsidc.png
You are a complete moron
http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/observation_images/ssmi1_ice_ext.png
I’ll see your moron…and raise you two morons
http://suyts.wordpress.com/2013/06/28/nine-years-of-the-global-sea-ice-doing-nothing/
All of your endless blabbering is not going to help your friends out
What’s with the name calling?
Net week we will see who was right.
Yeah, Reggie_pooh – WHY DO YOU DO SO MUCH NAME CALLING – IT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A VERY STUPID HYPOCRITE. But I am sure you are a stupid hypocrite. as you SO ENDLESSLY DEMONSTRATE!!!
Reggie, a week really isn’t relevant. But, more to the point, the ice loss isn’t relevant to the nutters’ position. You note some little ice loss. Okay, is it relevant to temps? Well upon inspection, no, it isn’t. So what? The winds and currents take ice out to sea? Shocking.
One thing we know is that things should never ever change. We learned this by studying history.
No worries, all religions have to have something to bitterly cling to. Arctic ice seems to the the CAGW people’s choice. Everything else has failed them. What choice do they have?
Squid
Could you please be kind enough to show me where he has gone on the record with his opinion as to this year’s Arctic sea ice minimum?
How about next week’s sea ice extent?
Thank you in advance
More bad news for the ice
Tomorrow’s weather forecast for Kugluktuk, NU, is calling for 88 degrees F and a stiff wind from the southwest at 20 km/h.
That is 31 degrees above normal for this time of year
http://weather.gc.ca/forecast/city_e.html?nu-16&unit=i
All your talking isn’t going to help your friends.
You’re absolutely right, nothing I write is going to help them.
That said, I believe that the hot weather is going to help them by melting a lot of ice. Next week we will see if that is the case.
HOT WEATHER … AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA … ROFLMAO
Reggie, have you sat down and computed how much energy would have to be absorbed by the current ice to reduce it significantly and compared that to the amount of energy in that air blowing across the ice??
You would be better served by looking for SST and near surface temps to see whether the ocean will be melting the ice faster or whether there is a storm coming that can break up the ice and blow it away from their path. (oooh, wonder what effect that storm would have on their safety if that large?!?!?!) Too late for a good ole’ heat wave to do much for them.
Oh, wonder why they told the press the Northwest Passage had become SEMI NAVIGABLE!!! Might have something to do with their interest in the fact their hull can be pulled over ice if necessary!!
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/06/18/bc-rowers-vancouver-northwest-passage.html
How much boat pulling or pushing can be done rather than oar pulling and still be counted a successful navigation??
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The sunny skies are going to contribute to a lot of the melt once there is significant ponding on the ice surface, 300 watts/sq meter will nuke the ice. The ice is also subject to bottom melt. The persistent arctic cyclone has badly fractured the ice. The next week will be very interesting and by then we will know who was right.
There are no metal skids on the bottom of the boat and the only pulling on to ice will be to get shelter from storms. It isn’t practical to pull over 3/4 ton of boat and supplies any distance.
The cyclone was more than 1,000 miles away. The US Navy is forecasting no change in Beaufort Sea ice conditions through July 5.
http://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/hycomARC/navo/arcticictn_nowcast_anim30d.gif
Steve, blow the map up 200 percent, then look between 130 and 120 degrees west, that is the relevant area,
This forecast is showing at least a 50 percent and towards the east 75 percent reduction by July 5
Also did you notice they are forecasting complete melt out south of Bank’s island?
The link you posted is confirmation that the hot weather at Kugluktuk, NU, is going to nuke the ice.
This is great news for the rowers.
That link you posted is confirmation that the hot weather at Kugluktuk, NU, is going to nuke the ice.
Thanks for bring it to my attention.
Aaargh ………………………..
That map is a 30 day animation going back to early June. It shows no change in the Beaufort Sea between June 29 and July 5
Reggie you moron, now you set up strawmen!!! Metal skids?? I agree pulling the boat even stripped woud be pretty dense.
Now go out there an read the interview where they claimed that was something they had thought about.
http://www.nwyachting.com/2013/06/rowing-the-northwest-passage/
“The boat was designed with a fatter hull to pop up on ice. If the Northwest Passage ices over before they complete their journey, the slightly rounded keel would allow them to drag it across the ice using pulleys. “That would not be the ideal scenario,” Gleeson said.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Love your segue into NUKING the ice. When you have ponding you also have a high albedo. Are you really that dense?? The Arctic is never at right angles to the sun!!! Get a clue boy and quit talking out of your posterior!!
Why do you believe that water could have a higher albedo than ice?
Why do YOU believe that ice is always perfectly smooth with no impurities??
Yes, yes he is .. just read a little above .. 🙂
Just to clarify, the rowboat is starting from a settlement on the Mackenzie River. As you can see in this image from today:
http://lance-modis.eosdis.nasa.gov/imagery/subsets/?subset=Arctic_r05c02.2013179.terra.1km.jpg
The meltwater of the Mackenzie has already washed a lot of brown silt down into the delta. Unless you think this is mud sitting on top of ice, it is pretty clear that the rowing team wil be able to hug the coast fo the first part of the trip. They’ll have to start being careful as they enter the channels of the Canadian Arctic Archipelago, but the forecasts that Steve linked to showed these (especially along the mainland coastline (their intended route)) melting out to meet them. The main issue for them is that the melting is from east to west, and they are traveling from west to east. It is possible that they will meet a choke point and have to wait for the ice to melt in front of them, even though there is clear water after that position.
And it is not multi-year ice. Last year’s images clearly show that almost all of this area melted out. This is first year ice, which has a lower melting point due to its salt content.
Nonsense
There is a huge mass of MYI blocking the eastern end of the Beaufort Sea
ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/Sep/N_201209_conc.png
That is the state of the Arctic last September. No “huge mass of MYI blocking the eastern end of the Beaufort Sea.” There is some ice left in the channels of the CAA, perhaps 45% concentration.
If it wasn’t there last September, what’s there now isn’t multi-year ice.
Persistent north winds brought record cold to the upper midwest this spring. They also brought MYI down to the Beaufort Sea. The eastern end of the Beaufort Sea is plugged with MYI. You can see it very clearly in satellite photos.
David, wind moves the ice around…that’s how you get MYI in the first place
Hi Latitude,
Not really. You get MYI when it doesn’t melt in the first year it was formed. Wind can push FYI up on top of itself, thickening it, which is a factor in keeping it from melting.
Steve, how are you determining the age of the ice from a satellite photo? Are you using ice thickness as a proxy for ice age? Check this out:
http://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/hycomARC/navo/arcticictn_nowcast_anim365d.gif
Looking at that yearlong animation, you can see the ice melt away and then refreeze, and the line between new, first year ice and older ice is pretty clear. There is movement of older, thicker ice into the Beaufort, but it never reaches the coast. Is the Beaufort ‘plugged with MYI’? No.
sorry, ice does not freeze thick enough on it’s own…
..it’s the wind driven ice that makes MYI
Looking at that photo, I reckon it might be 2 months before they can get through but I’m not a local. We all wait with baited breath. It’s just so exciting.
Why are you so obsessed with the Beaufort Sea anywhere west of 130 degrees
The animation does show a complete melt out out of Bank’s Island.
It also shows that the ice has melted significantly along the coast in the West Beaufort Sea along the coast and between 50 and 75 percent reduction is shown during the period covered by the animation.
You have been claiming for weeks that it has been too cold for the ice to melt, but you have posted an animation that shows significant melt . Now that melt conditions are much better, the loss can only increase.
What are you smoking?
I am talking about the animation you posted that shows a 50 to 75 percent reduction in thickness.
Blow up the image that David posted, it’s obvious all that first year ice is badly fractured.
Geez Reggie, sponsored by Brawndo, sponsored by Keven Vallely – what do you think’s melting it – if at all. It’s the SUN!
The stupid – it burns..!
Olaf Koenders
Lots of sunshine in the forecast, so that is going to contribute significantly to the melting. There is also bottom melt from Ekman pumping. Offshore winds and coastal temperatures above 80 F make thermal transfer directly from air to ice likely.
With 98% concentration ice, the sun has very little effect. It just reflects back into space.
I agree to a point, Steve, but once there is water ponding on the surface of the ice, that sunshine is going to take it’s toll. All that warm brown water flowing out of the McKenzie River is not helping the ice stick around, The weak, badly fractured first ice is going to lose a lot of volume in the next week and the concentration is going to be nowhere close to 90 percent when the rowers get to the mouth of the river.
NSIDC Arctic SIE loss. 641k in the last 5 days
What are you smoking? – Reggie-Pohh is smoking the crap that comes out of his rectum – the carp that he ALWAYS dumps here…T
terrence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MRmxfLuNto
Weather in the region is gonna be back an forth between warmer and cooler temps.
From the pattern now:
http://mag.ncep.noaa.gov/gfs/12/gfs_polar_012_10m_wnd_precip.gif
To this:
http://mag.ncep.noaa.gov/gfs/12/gfs_polar_156_10m_wnd_precip.gif
To possibly this:
http://mag.ncep.noaa.gov/gfs/12/gfs_polar_372_10m_wnd_precip.gif
Funny how children think thst anything they see to the first time, never happened before. I guess maturity fixes that in most folks, but the you have the defective units who never grow up.
There are always going to be significant variations year-to-year, but Arctic pack ice is supposed to be (on average) lower this decade anyway (and Antarctic higher), not because of global warming but because of the usual multi-decade temperature variation cycle between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.