Our local court jester T.O.O., has made numerous very excited comments over the last 24 hours boasting about a tiny opening in the ice just west of Point Barrow. You might be able to locate this inside the red circle below.
arctic.io – Arctic Terra – (2013/177)
T.O.O. believes that this opening is going to lead to a collapse of the Arctic
This is T.O.O. desperate. Get a grip man. 🙁
Heh. T.O.O funny 😉
Totally Open Orifice?
Truthful Observations Often
Totally OBTUSE OAF
Truly Oppressive Offal
The Omniscient Observer
Terrible Obnoxious Oddity.
Turn Oven Off
Troll On Octane
Teaching Obnoxious Oxnards
He is partaking in too many hallucinagens.
Follow your link Steven, and zoom in on the area between Barrow and Wrangel Island.
Does that look like “pack ice extending hundreds of miles” to you?
From the image above, it looks more like pack ice extending thousands of miles.
You really can’t be as dense as you are pretending.
Speaking of thickness…
The image above looks more like clouds extending thousands of miles, with a few gaps here and there.
Clouds? Yet another variable not correctly modeled.
Jim, who’s the “denier” now?
Remarkable how so much of that “cloud” cover just stops right at the shore, both of Wrangel Island and of the mainland. RTF
This is what happens when humans mess with the climate. Clouds become sentient.
The cloud cover doesn’t stop right at the shore of the mainland. A lot of ice near the shore is visible from on high today, which makes a pleasant change. Does this image help clarify matters for you Richard?
http://earthdata.nasa.gov/labs/worldview/?map=-2713248,-106304,360800,1910976&products=baselayers,MODIS_Terra_CorrectedReflectance_Bands367~overlays,arctic_coastlines_3413,arctic_graticule_3413&time=2013-06-27&switch=arctic
Can you now perceive that much of the hundreds (or is it thousands now?) of miles of so called “pack ice” north of Barrow is however still hidden from Terra’s view?
Yeah, I guess that’s a fair statement. Thanks for the clarification.
RTF
Talking of NASA and clouds over the Arctic see the following Jim and let me know what you think. Is it a possible negative feedback?
Sea Ice and Snow Change, but Reflection Remains the Same
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/ArcticReflector/arctic_reflector4.php
Actually that link doesn’t always display what it was supposed to. A minor glitch in NASA’s latest “alpha” technology I suppose? What a shame that Steven’s technology doesn’t allow commenters to use images to make their point.
Try switching to the band 3/6/7 image manually if necessary, to discover better differentiation between ice and snow, land and cloud. Not to mention open ocean.
Jimbo – According to your link “In the Arctic, scientists suspect that clouds’ energy-absorbing and emitting effects outweigh their sun-shielding effects, making their overall feedback on the surface a warming one”. Who am I to argue?
So changes in arctic Ice don’t affect albedo? Who knew!
Steve,
One post to tell you that Barrows ice has melted early and one to clarify your misleading post on where the 2013 melt sits in the rankings is your idea of very exited? You are a real rock n roller Steve.
ROFLMAO
So the ice “melted” west of the point, but didn’t “melt” east of the point?
That’s whats known as smart weaponized CO2. Targeted, precision melting.
Huh?
Exactly.
Will,
I said huh? because the ice always melts west to east on the western side of the Arctic.
From the Sea Ice Alaska Web Site: “Break-up season at Barrow is May through August.”
http://seaice.alaska.edu/gi/observatories/barrow_breakup
Why do you think pointing out that the ice broke up 2/3 the way through breakup season is important?
Glacieman,
A better question to ask is why Steve feels he has to use the Barrow webcam in mid-Winter to point out the existence of Arctic ice.
Maybe its to counter the constant drumbeat by useful idiots that all the ice is melting and we are all doomed.
There is a tough question. Maybe because it is the only webcam in the region?
A better question for TOO is: Why do you think there is a web page called Barrow Sea Ice Breakup? Is it because the ice never broke up at Barrow before the invention of the SUV?
Glacierman,
This early in the season? Perhaps not (at least not for thousands of years)
2003 and 2004 were thousands of years ago?
Not just thousands of years ago – but MILLIONS, paraphrasing Vice President Gore on the the temperature in the middle of the sun.
Steven – T.O.O – Pooh is far too stupid to understand your comment, let alone your posts and blog.
Steve,
Of course not, but you should reread Glacierman’s statement — unless, of course, you are saying SUVs were not around in 2003 and 2004?
“Dog 1 is now open, I repeat, Dog 1 is now open”
I doubt previous generation were as neurotic about ice.
Maybe when it advanced, but then again I would not call that neurosis, I would call it common sense.
If only stupidity were always immediately fatal.
Justa Joe,
I believe that is a very true observation. What could possibly be the reason why the present generation to be neurotic about the ice?
Programmed to be psychotic since they were small.
Steve,
I think the present generation is finally realizing that bad things will happen if you treat the environment as an open sewer..
Yea, we quit doing that in about 1970
Steve,
We have made a start — in some countries — with the visible pollution, but we could have more efficient smoke stack scrubbers, we can eliminate mountain top removal for coal deposits, we could stop siphoning off creeks and lakes for frakking — we still have a ways to go. Most importantly, we can put clean and renewable energy programs onto the front burner and begin exporting the fruits of that labor to places where clean air and water is threatened.
The ice looks normal to me, VS. neurotic folks wishing for disaster:
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/cgi-bin/seaice-monitor.cgi
I wonder how the crusaders will fare?
http://mainstreamlastfirst.com/
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/NEWIMAGES/arctic.seaice.color.004.png
See how smog in Los Angeles and London have got faaaaar worse today than in the past. Look at the cities of London and Birmingham today compared to 1855. Look at lead pollution by cars in US cities compared to the past. I could go on but you need to take a closer look at your statement about ‘open sewer’.
PS there was a time we used whale oil, horse drawn carriage (manure galore), paraffin and candles for light, coal for heating instead of natural gas. Do you want us to return to those halcyon days? Fossil fuels have helped the environment more than you wish to imagine. Would you agree that burning coal is better than chopping down and burning trees? Take a long good hard look at your way of thinking. It is deeply flawed. 🙁
With regards to burning coal than burning trees see the developing world.
Jimbo,
Why go backwards? Clean and renewable energy is the future.
The whole point of the enviro movement is to go backwards. Erhlich called economic growth a disease. Holdren wants to de-develop the U.S. It’s a constant barrage of them griping about too many people, too much consumption, too much…..The hypocrites at the Sierra Club draw their big salaries and suffer from “smug” while telling the peons we need to live with birdchoppers and solar panels. The entire point is to control energy which is the “means of production”. Controlling that means controlling everything and everybody. That’s the purpose of a carbon tax, to make it so expensive that people will stop buying and spending therefore curtailing the need for energy, then the govt. can supply the people with their “needs”. The useful idiots of the world play along while the bankers count their “carbon credit” money and Nations drool over the money from taxing air. It’s Orwellian to call CO2 pollution and refer to it as sewage. Only the over-privileged have time or the motivation to fret about what ppm CO2 is and if energy meets their clean standards. The rest have to work and worry about the real world problems and have no need to invent them. Why some are worked-up over mountain-top mining is a mystery unless they live near the mountain-top. I doubt there are any folks in E. Ky griping that Ca. is ripping up land to build a railway to fantasyland.
No gofer,
The whole point of the enviro movement is to leave a healthy planet, with a healthy reserve of Earth’s bounty to the generations that come after so they have a chance for a healthy life.
Either you just dated yourself as an empty-headed youngster or an old leftist dead-ender. Regardless, you are factually incorrect.
Environmentalism was fairly pure and honest until the late 1960’s. Sierra Club, Audobon, and all the other solid, reputable groups were conservationists, members considered themselves naturalists and had high principles. I know this because I was there and so were others who I suspect also post at this website. Incidentally, many overlapped into the NRA as well because everyone had the same goals.
Then came the loons like Ehrlich, and Greenpeace, and Nader and wide-scale infiltration of institutions ( not just environmentalism, but schools, media, etc ) by leftist subversives. It was a combination of the later Vietnam years and Chicago 1968 and 1972, and finally Watergate that dominated this transition. The purists were chased out by neo-Communists and outright Communists. Once getting their hands on the steering wheel of these groups they set about destroying America instead.
And now along comes T.O.O. wet behind the ears imagining an alternate universe where unicorns still roam the hills with rainbows shooting out their asses, a world where these innocent groups care about the children. The real universe however consists of leftist neo-Communist front groups that have no concern for children whatsoever, the truth of the matter is that they will sacrifice them on the alter of liberalism in a heartbeat by cutting off their power and and letting them freeze and starve to death. Let them eat Tofu.
Now go learn something …
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/25/how-environmental-organizations-are-destroying-the-environment/
Blade’
“And now along comes T.O.O. wet behind the ears imagining an alternate universe where unicorns still roam the hills with rainbows shooting out their asses, a world where these innocent groups care about the children.”
Really? You get all that from insisting that bloggers back up their statements with citations and from making referenced statements regarding CO2, renewable energy and Arctic ice?
That is quite an active imagination you have there. Do you do illustrations also?
Blade,
What’s Up with you guys and WUWT? Is that site and Steve Goddard’s the only references you are allowed to use or what?