August 28, 2012
“The ice is just thinner than it used to be. So it doesn’t really matter so much what the summer weather does anymore—the thin ice melts out easier during the summer melt season.”
Apparently the cold weather this summer had nothing to do with the doubling of Arctic ice!
In a new study, detailed recently in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, Stroeve and her colleagues analyzed nearly two dozen computer climate models to determine the extent to which global warming is responsible for the increasing shrinkage of Arctic sea ice.
Her team determined that human activity can be blamed for some 60 percent of the observed rate of decline since 1979, with the rest due to natural climate variability.
A pattern is emerging. It’s the “Hillary” defense:
“it doesn’t really matter … … anymore.”
Humans are 60% to blame for no warming.
Does that mean humans are responsible for 60% of the increase???
and……what do the models say this year. ‘Pay no attention to that ice behind the curtain!’
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=558698904178101&set=a.227515980629730.55263.217754198272575&type=1&theater
lol they think its day after tomorrow !!!
All of that is still better than what I saw (at least) one commenter on Neven’s blog saying…he/she was claiming that this year’s ice was actually in the worst shape of any year yet and was just really spread out so the extent metrics didn’t show it. Others were arguing that they should come up with their own metric since they no longer trusted the various agencies’ area metrics.
-Scott
They are right about not trusting any agency’s metric for measuring the ice! All they have is Computer generated graphics and a program that measures pixel concentration of what it thinks is ice. They have land masks to isolate the sea ice from the land ice. They would do as well reading Chicken Bones!
Chukchi full of ice and not a part of the record. How much 15% do you need?!
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/imagery/subsets/?subset=Arctic_r05c03.2013238.terra.367.250m
Maybe it’s time they stop playing with models, and start speaking with geologists.
Are they being paid to be comedians or Arctic experts? I can’t tell with statements like this! 60%? Really? How exactly is this verified? What horsefeathers!
She read it in her Tarot Cards! And it was verified by the Ouija board
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4QOzi7_FUE
Arctic summer temperatures in recent years have not been warmer than normal anyway.
The ice was melting because it was thin, and not because higher temperatures.
http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2013/08/19/greenhouse-gas-theory-arctic-amplification/
I will not let this matter go until someone does story on how all the Ice Breaking Ships are destroying the Ice and the Russians Nuk powered Fleet is huge cause . Giant ice breaking ships that are crushing the Ice have increased while at the same time the Ice has decreased. This summer is an exception because it was coldest on record.
Come on Steve, do you not see the connection.
Thanks Chris
I don’t know anything about it, and won’t speculate.
Hot off the Press, Evidence of Ice breaking ship near Antarctica has weakened the ice. Can see where the Ice breaker has traveled and Satellite pictures show the weak thin ice from the Ice Breaking ship.. It is winter there not summer. This is only one Ship The Arctic Region has many Ice Breaking ships.
https://twitter.com/NJSnowFan/status/372384471711891456/photo/1
Ship Name
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_B._Palmer_(icebreaker)
Ref. fig 1 http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/NEWIMAGES/antarctic.seaice.color.004.png
Ref. Fig 2
http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shipposition.phtml?call=WBP3210
Look at this loop and slow it down, look what happens to the ice when the ice breaker is in the area
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/CT/animate.antarctic.color.4.html
Add in 500 hours of ship tracks
http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shipposition.phtml?call=WBP3210
Here is another Ice Breaking ship that spent a lot of time crushing the Sea Ice by Antarctica
https://twitter.com/NJSnowFan/status/372393780147548161/photo/1
The more I dig the more I find the Ice Breaking ships like to visit the North pole.
https://twitter.com/NJSnowFan/status/372402746726428672/photo/1
The USCGC Healy is By the NW passage now I wonder it they will make a run towards the N pole again like last year.
http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shipposition.phtml?call=NEPP
I posted the wrong Date that is the USCGC Healy tracks for the max 99999999.
I will up date with yearly tracks 1 2 3 4 5 6 years. I was going off the Russian nuk ice breaker that only shows data for one year not like the USCGC Healy
Here is the right data year 1-8 USCGC Healy tracks. Does not show each year separate but year after year over the next.
https://twitter.com/NJSnowFan/status/372414747234160640/photo/1
Last time they were right at the north pole was 8 years ago.
For your collection – images of ice breakers at the N. pole.
I’ve found photos of icebreakers at or near the N. pole here – http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/gallery.aspx?level0=400
Largest ice-breaker in the world “50 Let” at the North pole, (note: the numbers like 1/112 change as new photos are added to the collection. You have to go to the index to see when the photo was taken.)
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/showallphotos.aspx?imo=9152959&photoid=753184#top_photo
Date Photo ( (c) Bjorn Eriksson)
5 July 2013 http://photos.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=1293687&size=full 1/112
1 July 2012 http://photos.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=1277661&size=full 11/112
30 June 2011 http://photos2.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=753705&size=full 61/112
29 July 2010 http://photos2.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=753645&size=full 65/112
28 July 2009 http://photos2.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=753784&size=full 52/112
25 July 2008 http://photos2.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=654292&size=full 784/112
Ice-breaker Rossiya ( (c) I’m not sure who.)
86.5 North 17 Sept 2012 http://photos.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=1072416&size=full photo 6/35
84 North 28 Jan 2010 http://photos2.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=660712&size=full photo 27/35
One more from the other day,
https://twitter.com/NJSnowFan/status/371845684753756160/photo/1
It’s fine to talk about the arctic ice and its variations. Some aspect of it is warmer currents. Most of the world’s ice is in the Antarctic. A study of the area in which the well know
‘warmer’ Michael Mann participated did note that even after adjustments and extrapolations were made to the satellite data by his group, they concluded that the eastern antarctic, which comtains between 75-85% of the Antarctic ice, had cooled approximately .2C on average each decade since 1979. Observers suggest that the eastern sea ice is more extensive than it has been in decades. One recent warmer suggested that this was because the eastern land ice was melting and running into the sea making it colder, thus freezing and making more sea ice. The warmer did not explain how as it got colder more of the eastern antarctic ice melted. Warmers do contend that the eastern anarctic is thinner than it was. No information or theory was given why getting colder by about .7C might have led to this. We really do not know why the phenomenon claimed by warmers seems only to affect the northern hemisphere, why the predicted equatorial hot spot seems to have eluded us, nor why temperatures have remained flat for a decade and a half. We would do well to recognize the limited understanding we have about our climate and continue to learn rather than give in to man’s apparently inherent utter fascination with apocalyptic scenarios.