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To fail to reveal a clear recovery of Arctic ice extent is exactly that, propaganda. Instead, yet again, they seek to mislead via misdirection and lying by omission.
Worldwide sea ice is above normal. Even Arctic ice is near normal. That is the bottom line, stripping away all of the alarmist’s BS.
But Andy. The 60,000 gigatons of sea ice around Antarctica came from the 65 gigatons of fresh water that melt off the ice shelf and glaciers
Today’s Detroit News “The Arctic and its future are looking dimmer every year, a new federal report says.” They don’t say what federal report they are quoting. Appears to be something called the Arctic Report Card.
Thank heavens they don’t build too many of those nasty, carbon polluting automobiles in Detroit any more!
Nor do they bother to try and teach the inhabitants to read any more…
Michigan approves plan to close half of Detroit schools – Feb. 22, 2011
Detroit to lose 28 more schools by 2016
Nonsense. Detroit has too many worthless schools. The unions have completely destroyed the school system. They need to shut down the public school system and go to all charter schools.
Mohatdebos, I will agree with you about the worthless public schools.
Were you aware that our Gallopingcamel started the Charter schools here in North Carolina and is working to get some going in Florida?
They are citing water temperature which is dependent on currents. You are mentioning the Danish measurement of air temperature. These are not really compatible measurements. There is no reason why the air cannot be cold while currents force a seasonally warm ocean. They are not mutually exclusive.
A smoke and mirrors trick as usual.
Always pick the parameter that is best for beating the public over the head with as you scream GLOBAL WARMING.
That is propaganda not science.
I made no mention of global warming and was simply pointing out that the two sources are not the most compatible. There are other explanations besides blatant deception.
So the atmosphere will be cooling the ocean then.
Interesting observation, one which ties in nicely with Maurice Ewing’s theory that reduced sea ice permits ocean heat loss to the atmosphere and onwards to space during winter. In other words reduced sea ice cover is a prelude to cooling.
Wrong. You are mixing up cause and effect.
It gets colder because the energy from the sun is less. When solar activity rises during solar cycles, it gets warmer, when this drops, it gets colder.
All other effects spring from this dynamic.
Looks like the temperatures *shifted*, not changed significantly. Notice they don’t mention all the extra sea-ice evident in their maps, either.
How dare all you all question NCDC. They and other government agencies are the authorities of the what when and where of what’s important. If the water is warmer than usual then that is what is important. If the ice is less than usual or decreasing then that is important. If the air is warmer than usual then that is important. And if despite every effort to find something that is warmer than usual they fail then they will just make something up! They have to because their jobs depend on it. In the final analysis they are only accountable to politicians.
NOAA lies about nearly everything these days which is why all of their ‘long range forecasts’ have been total garbage for years! They always predict ‘warmer/drier than usual’. On rare occasions only after it is painfully obvious that much of the continent is ‘cold/wet’ do they admit this…BARELY.
Grudgingly. And then flee back to the ‘warm/dry’ model all over again like nothing has happened.
Glad youre all over this mate. Keep it up!
Glad someone else tracks this! I often check NOAA’s 6-10 and 8-14 day forecasts (for a laugh) and I also do look-backs on their spectacularly incorrect forecasts. I was just relating this to a coworker – as you noted – that they *always* predict warm & dry right up until the day a cold front arrives.
Just ahead of the first country-wide winter blast in early November they were predicting high probability of warm & dry. Only the day before it hit did they switch over to show 90% of the country would be well below normal temps. How convenient.
Not sure if you have seen this Tony but
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-30177534
and
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-30399079
Result is both thicknesses are more than expected !! As someone, like you, has watched the poles for a long time this is very interesting. I am more warmest than you of course, but the science is still getting better as we get more measurements and this is certainly something very interesting and to look into in the next few years,
All the best,. Have a very good Christmas and New Year .
Andy