During the first sixteen days of September, Arctic sea ice extent increased by a record amount.
Extent is up 27% since this date last year.
There has been no trend in minimum sea ice extent over the past fifteen years.
Sea ice extent in the western Arctic is higher than 40 years ago.
Experts say sea ice is melting at a record rate and it causing all sorts of bad weather.
Sea ice is melting at record-breaking rates
The claims of record melt this year have nothing to do with reality, but the ones in 1911 were more accurate.
“Reports from Baffin Bay and the other waters around Greenland also – tell of an unprecedented melting of the arctic ice fields. It is probable that an arctic explorer had happened to be in the far north this summer he, would have been able to get fairly close to the Pole in boats. Some say that the melting of the arctic ice cap is one of the direct results of the abnormally hot weather this summer, while others hold that the hot weather is the result of the melting lee and the release of an unusual amount of heat from the warmer ocean water. Thus it Is the same old question as to which is the cause and which the effect. Astronomers studying the planet Mars have noted an unusual melting of the ice- cap on that planet”
17 Sep 1911, Page 6 – The Atlanta Constitution at Newspapers.com
h/t Don Penim
NASA says 1911 was one of the coldest years on record.
You’d think a climate scientist impersonator from a Norwegian university would at least know how to spell Bart Simpson. This climate business is like the 1955 Solomon Asch experiment in social pressure. Only now instead of the length of a line or height of a chart bar, the subsidized crowd tries to get someone to lie about the slope of a curve or the numbers recorded in past thermometer readings. Tony is that lone individual whose accurate reporting nullified 3/4 of the effect of the most carefully orchestrated lying. There was a Dilbert cartoon about the R.O.I. of lying today.
Does the DMI play a straight ball with their info regarding Arctic ice extent. If there was a year where the ice piled on would they illustrate that or would they hide it? Not sure I trust any info entirely as these organisations all seemed to be signed up to the climate nonsense.
Tony, How about setting up a data section of your website. “The Climate in Data” where you group your information by topic, like Arctic , Antarctic, Greenland, US, Heat Waves of the 1930s, Forest Fire Trends, Global data manipulation creates climate change, etc.
Yes, I second that idea. Sometimes I want to provide the REAL data to a person I might be debating with and I have to search through archives to find the information. A “Climate in Data” section sure would help.
Does anybody have a clue how to cool the water?
Sitting with ice in a cup you can get the wrong idea obviously!
Well if You are sitting outside during a long clear night You might get another view.
Inconvenient charts this week from Canadian Ice service.
I think the point is that the ice is more than anytime since 2005, and it’s been on the increase since 2012. So it appears, at the moment, that the Arctic Ice is recovering, and in the hottest year on record nonetheless.
I notice that the graph conveniently starts in 1981 when the sea ice extent was used for the “Ice Age” scare mongering. Also, why do they never show a comparison between Arctic and Antarctic ice extent? That would be very inconvenient for them. If people realized that when Arctic ice is receding (because of Northern hemisphere summer time) Antarctic ice is expanding (because it is winter in the Southern hemisphere). The point is that when in 2012 the Northern sea ice minimum was well below the median the Southern sea ice maximum was much higher than the median. That would indicate that even if the Northern hemisphere was having a warmer than average summer, the Southern hemisphere was having a cooler than average winter.
“Sea ice plays a crucial role in cooling the planet”.
Uhh, no, sea ice acts as an insulator preventing cooling of ocean water. It is the output / result AFTER cooling open water. Open water offers vastly more cooling capacity and radiation to space than ice. Even an extremely thin layer of ice all but stops heat flow compared to open water. It’s orders of magnitude of heat flow difference. The degree of ice coverage is SET by the amount of heat that has made its way into the arctic to cool. If little warm water is available, less ice will melt during summer, and more ice will form earlier and through the season. As the heat is removed, ice coverage will increase until the lead (open water) area to ice area equalizes required heat loss to space. Clouds will also form with all of this evaporated water, inhibiting ice growth somewhat until more area of clear-sky can form (but also acting as an emission source from the droplets at the cloud top, with reduced GHGs above that improving emission to space, in effect also acting as a cooling medium, but net negative compared to clear sky). The balance between clouds, clear sky, and radiative emission from water is what will set the ice level. This gives the Arctic Ocean a huge level of headroom for cooling.
If there were little heat from the tropics, the arctic could ice-over until enough heat accumulated under that insulation to break it up again and permit emission to space.
Thanks, Michael. I was going to reply to the quote:
A begging the question fallacy; we have no evidence, just his assertion.
What about the radiation from the top of clouds to space?
Please re-read my comment… I mention that. Important factor without a doubt, it is the medium by which Earth loses a great deal of heat. Clouds are cooler, so you have a huge T^4 effect reducing emission by altitude, but they also spread out to equalize area to match the heat required to be rejected (about 500x the raining area for a 1″ per hour thunderstorm, as an anvil). The GHG effect will be a negative exponential to altitude effect, so the higher you go the less transmission is inhibited. For example, a cloud top at 50,000 feet has only about 16% of the atmosphere above it, and therefore has a pretty clear shot to space. At some point I’ll find the optimum level of cloud top for the most efficient transmission (which will vary by cloud droplet size and density).
Great insights – thank you.
I had emailed NOAA asking them to stop showing the 2012 trend line (or is it 2011?) as though they were expecting something. I asked them to replace it with a bubble sorted line that shows the 5 day average minimums. If they do that they could see that the sea ice was doing OK. So I asked why they did that because to me it looks like propaganda rather than actual science as the hand-wringing can almost be heard while they are writing their monthly summary. So if it’s not the CO2 then it’s something else and we need proper science. I think the Sun must be the top candidate – but NASA don’t look at that and CIMP6- lite is all that the modellers use. One day…
Considering all the official record melt everywhere all the time
that is going on for years
one should expect that ice on earth should be a thing from the past
(outside of refrigerators)
and sea levels to be many yards higher(not related to sea ice melt)
No doubt the BBC will not be publishing this!
“During the first sixteen days of September, Arctic sea ice extent increased by a record amount.”
Are you quite sure about that Tony?
According to the daily OSI-SAF sea ice index data at your link:
2021.6630 2021 08 31 5557500
2021.7068 2021 09 16 5549647
Dr. Darko Butina, a statistician and analyst of much climate science data, has written a long paper on the temperature data history of Arctic Ice. He makes the perfectly common sense argument that the Arctic Ice can never completely melt because the Arctic temperatures are well below freezing temperatures for 9 months of the year. I have a copy of his paper but can no longer find his website that was 14patterns.com. It as if he has been cancelled somehow. If anyone knows how to get to his website please post it here as he has many valuable articles on the false conclusions and assumptions of climate “science”.