Egyptian President Nasser 1967 : “We will drive the Jews into the sea.”
Arafat formed the PLO in 1964. What exactly were they liberating?.
Only a complete moron (like Obama) would believe that the 1967 borders will bring peace. This guy has got to go. He is a loose cannon and is going to start WWIII if he stays in office much longer.
Everyone, and I mean without exception, liberal to conservative, in our office was saying the exact same thing today…………
Which was what?
Well, something tells me that it wasn’t that He was the One we were all waiting for.
I’m starting to think that the folks pulling this puppet’s strings want a major war. That does seem to be what the evidence suggests. And a ‘civil war’ in the US. Not like the first one. More like the 1960s. Thinks we’re going to see a lot of organized unrest in the streets this summer. Wisconsin squared.
Only a complete moron would think Hitler should return the Sudetenland. Since of course it had lots of germans in it. As opposed to the west bank and Gaza which had very few jews.
Finally an American president who is actually being honest about the situation.
Of course you may be right, maybe if a US president said that Palestinians should just give up on the land they lost, and stop reproducing for a few generations, so that there could be more jews than Arabs in the occupied territories, then Israel could establish a democracy in the entire greater Judea, and peace would reign. At least until the second coming when Jesus will personally murder the 7 million jews that don’t get taken up with the rapture
Is Uh-Uh-Uh-bamma capable of being honest? after all he is a lawyer and a politician.
You are an incredibly sick person Tony. Did Sudetenland threaten to drive Germany into the sea? WTF is wrong with you?
As usual you are being the south end of a north bound Democrat Mascot.
In the past almost 50 years Palestinians have been offered almost all they wanted but rejected it in one way or another. Then come back sniveling about wanting the last deal when time has passed. It is people like you and Obama – perhaps because of your undying historical amnesia or anti-Semitism or both – that you want to “start” every new iteration of the peace process by asking Israel to do something clearly against its interests.
I like that one, but do have one question – how do you tell which end is which on a democrat mascot? 😉
Israel is already a democratic nation.They live under an umbrella of hate of outside Muslims,with the regular shelling and sniping attacks.They have to endure it,while most of the world tolerate their very existence.
ALL the nations surrounding Israel are despotic,and ready to attack and kill the Jews.They are chronically poor and irrational.A blight to the world.
It is the surrounding Muslims who are always the threat to peace,NOT the Jews.It is the surrounding Muslim nations who keeps waging all out war on Israel.Who keeps having to strike back in defense.
There was no actual Palestinian state before 1948.But Jordan was created in part for the purpose of absorbing the wandering Muslims of the regions.
Your antisemitism is noted.
There is no such thing as a Palestinian. That would be like me claiming my county as my nationality, instead of my country, America. They are Aabs, and have many choices for friendly homelands in which to settle.
Obama is not doing this out of ignorance, this is part of the plan. Destabilize and restructure.
So much for hope, until 2012.
“There is no such thing as a Palestinian.”
Along with the three “Rs” schools have to get back to teaching history and get away with this revisionist garbage. The Jews and the Arabs were in the same boat under the Turks, the Ottomans and under the British/French. The Arabs that were out of favor with the winners in the back room deals with the Brits/French in Jordan/Syria/Saudi went to Palestine. Now the Arabs in the Palestinian teritory are unwanted by Egypt, Lebanon and everywhere else. The only Palestinians that are truely welcome outside of Palestinian territories are the ones with the UN/EU/USA cash. Where does Suha Arafat, Yasser Arafat’s wife live her life of luxury? Where did she and Yasir get those hundreds of millions?
You are an anti-Semitic f*ck.
Uh-bamma must still be having a snort-gasm with the yayo.
Imaginary justice =Imaginary peace.
This is dread, truly dread.
“Tony Duncan says:
May 20, 2011 at 1:15 am
Only a complete moron would think Hitler should return the Sudetenland. ”
So then you are completely unbiased, right ?
{gags little}
Why cherry-pick 1967? Let them return to the pre-586 BC state; that is, before the Babylonian exile of the Jews.
The USA should give FL to Spain and AK to Russia, too! [equivalent sarc] The war, actually two of them, was perpetrated upon Israel and the Israelis cleaned their clocks but good in brilliant defensive warfare. They should have kept the West Bank intact and kept the Gaza strip intact also. Why does not Jordan give up some NW territory and Syria some SW territory? Take the Gaza Strip people and the West Bank people and move them into the Syria/Jordan cutouts. Egypt, Syria, and Jordan, among others were the perps in 1967. Why not? These three counties also can’t stand the nomadic Palestinians—these three countries should offer up territory if they really meant for peace to happen; these don’t allow Palestinian refugees to cross their borders to this day. They forfeited more territory than that in the wars.
Bought AK fair and square. Heck of a deal.
I am Russkie. You snookered us on Alaska! We want back! 😉
Not to mention Louisiana…
Why. Bought Louisiana fair and square too. Another heck of a deal.
PhilJourdan says:
May 20, 2011 at 2:12 pm
I am Russkie. You snookered us on Alaska! We want back!
Yeah….right…. You mean the Russkies have the hots for Palin. While Palin was more qualified than Obama I don’t want to see her on the next GOP ticket and I am still astounded that McLame(RINO) got the GOP nomination???? 🙂
It shouldn’t be up to a President in the United States to determine the borders of another country. The only thing President Obama’s wishes will accomplish is make enemies of Israel feel they can attack Israel without fear of reprisal from the US—at least as long as he is President.
With the American economy the way it is, and with unemployment so high, and with so much division in America caused by ObamaCare you’d think Barrack Obama would have more important issues in the US to take care of and not focus on other countries.
Maybe Obama likes to see America in this condition. Maybe he wants it to get worse.
AAIM’s AIM is on target. He is no moron: but a man, a plan, – but no canal or Panama in mind: just Israel
I never thought anything could disgust and outrage me more then the global warming scam but Obama did it when he threw Israel under a muslim bus today. Impeach the Jew hater and throw him out of office before it’s too late !
There’s no logical explanation for this. Last President to piss off Israel was Bush Sr. One termer.
So I’m thinking there’s more to this than meets the eye. Plenty of behind the scenes talk. If this emboldens some kind of attack on Israel, they can just play the victim card (as usual) and do whatever they wanted to do all along. Like catching mice. Just like the earlier wars.
Problem is, things are much more complicated now and could get out of hand.
In the meantime, Russia and China are laughing and patiently waiting.
We are living in seriously dangerous times.
Al gored,
I just love your conspiratorial mind. Yes, this is all some nefarious plot. Couldn’t possibly just be a political move that would be supported by about 90% of the rest of the world, except for pre apartheid South Africa, and maybe South Korea for reasons known only to the great leader.
So this is a signal to arab states to launch an attack on Isreal, and Obama will just nash his teeth and wring his hands in total impotence or do you mean something else.
Imagine Obama doing something so crazy to upset the peaceful coexistence that has existed between israel and the rest fo the middle east for all these years.
When Clinton left office, there were buses blowing up in Jerusalem every week. That is what liberals call the peace process. Do you think Obama is going to send troops in to stop terrorism?
Tony,
The old ‘conspiratorial’ term is a handy way of encouraging people not to think beyond the superficial theatre we see on the surface.
The way I see this, there’s either something beyond appearances or Obama is the stupidest President of all time. I don’t think he is and I know the people pulling his strings aren’t.
I wasn’t suggesting any state would attack Israel. All it took to bomb the crap out of Beirut was one captured soldier. In these times that could create quite the chain reaction.
Haven’t you noticed a little teeny weeny bit of instability in the world right now? History marches on.
Hey Tony,
Speaking of ‘conspiracies,’ look at what was going on behind the scenes with the IPCC.
Its worse than we thought.
http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2011/05/16/the-ipcc-the-uk-and-climate-censorship/
Al
Well now that this unimpeachable source has come out, certainly her house of cards is beginning the total collapse which will result in the TRUE science coming. Out . Since from that link, the scientists involved all knew it was a sham.
it will be nice, once Steve and others are allowed to print the truth and retake the peer review process to true science once again.
I have been waiting for 6 months on this blog for the concerned commie rat scientists to sart turning on each other. Will it start next week? or next month?
When you start these mindless diatribes, does it have anything to do with alcohol?
Steve,
they only seem mindless to you and others on here because only one way of looking at things is possible to you. Anything that contradicts your established belief is by definition wrong, and therefore mindless. that is why you only post things that support your beliefs. it is very comforting in a superficial way, I am sure, but it amazes me how often you manage to ridicule what I say without offering anything to counter it. In this case you actually have, and again they are not totally illogical points of view if you accept your starting premises. Like the video Amino posted. If one didn’t know anything else about the issue it seems absolutely incontrovertible that all these palestinians are just Nazis with rags on their heads. Propaganda does not need to be all lies in order to make people believe things that are not true. that is one of the reasons I like this site, because it is so intensely limited in what views are considered acceptable and all other views are attacked by numerous people who frequent the site. there are a few exceptions, but I understand why no one else who disagrees with you in almost any matter bothers to respond to more than one or two posts before giving up. Of course the other possibility is that you are so much mopper brilliant than everyone else that you are right about everything and everyone that disagrees with you is wrong about everything.
I am still trying to make up my mind, so please don;t give up on me.
You are a moron.
the other thing I like about this site is how you are so willing to engage in real dialogue.
Clinton dialogued and dialogued and dialogued , got Arafat and Nobel Prize – and left a pile of dead bodies in buses and schools all over Israel. Obama is headed the same direction.
Tony Duncan
What you say about Steven Goddard is a case of projecting about yourself.
Amino,
with all the supporting documentation you provide, how can I argue? You must be right, I have never admitted any mistakes and only ever present or accept one way of looking at an issue. I have never agreed with anything Steve has ever written, and just reflexively dismiss anything he says.
Why have I never seen it before.
thanks!
Supporting documentation? Think about how that sounds.
Amino,
Sorry about that. Of course you don;t need to support any assertion you make. What was I thinking? Won’t happen again.
if you say i am projecting it must be true.
What kind of ‘documentation’ would I find to show you are projecting?
You are not as deep a person as you think you are. You think something different of yourself than what commenters here see of you. You would not believe ‘documentation’ if I presented it to you, (if it even existed) because you do not want to think of yourself that way. You would just ridicule it.
Try to think how what you are asking of me sounds.
You also have to think about how you are talking about Israel. Because you could easily be viewed as anitSemitic—even though you wouldn’t think that of yourself. Other people don’t think with your head. To communicate you have to try to talk the way others will understand what you say—not the way you think they should take what you say. Because I see you get condescending and sarcastic with people that don’t take what you say the way you think they should have.
But maybe you don’t want to consider what others that don’t think like you might take what you say. Because, I have learned that people in the left of politics view others that don’t think like them as ‘fly over people’. The political left feels superior to everyone that is not like them. They’re the smart ones in the room.
So maybe me telling you to consider how what you say sounds is worse than a waste of time to you because only people as open minded as you are important enough to respect.
Amino,
that is quite funny. What have I ever posted that could in any way be taken as anti-semitic? I have a great love for Israel. I have ben there once and it was absolutely amazing. I have a few Israeli friends. One of whom is actually a well known scientist.
I use sarcasm, because I am not trying to convince anyone of anything, and there is no way I could equal the extreme of Steve’s sarcasm, which often is totally unconnected with all but the tiniest aspect of reality. I respond to people the way they respond to me. So I don’t really care if people misconstrue what I say. If they do and comment I am happy to clarify, which I have done a number of times.
as for documentation. All you have to do is show that I have never admitted any mistakes and that I do not accept any view other than my own. of course it would take awhile you would have to go over every comment I have made. But if you just did a random sample of say 30 posts I have responded to and checked my comments and point out where I have never accepted any point that was made by any of the commenters that differed from my view. You would have a strong case, and then I would have to come up with comments that showed that I HAD agreed with other views on this site.
I only ridicule things on here that seem patently ridiculous to me. that is why I don;t comment on many of Steve’s posts. Some of them are actually valid, some are not worth wasting time on, and many I do not know enough about to make a comment on.
When people have responded to me in reasonable ways. I have reciprocated. On other websites where I have commented, and people are actually interested in figuring out important issues, even when I disagree with them, there is at least some acceptance of points that are clearly correct by the other person.
But s I have said repeatedly,. I get valuable information on this site that i don’t find in other places, regardless of the way that information is presented or its context
You are not as deep a person as you think you are. You think something different of yourself than what commenters here see of you. You would not believe ‘documentation’ if I presented it to you, (if it even existed) because you do not want to think of yourself that way. You would just ridicule it.
Try to think how what you are asking of me sounds.
You also have to think about how you are talking about Israel. Because you could easily be viewed as anitSemitic—even though you wouldn’t think that of yourself. Other people don’t think with your head. To communicate you have to try to talk the way others will understand what you say—not the way you think they should take what you say. Because I see you get condescending and sarcastic with people that don’t take what you say the way you think they should have.
How you took what I said proves my point. You cannot get your head around the idea that people could take what you say in way other than how you think it sounds.
Amino,
Actually you are proving my point that you don’t read what I say. I don’t care how people take what I say. if they want clarification that is none-sarcastic they can respond to me in a way that is non sarcastic and I will clarify. Of course they could start by being less than absolute in their pronouncements, and that would pretty much eliminate my sarcasm. Then there would be no issue of non understanding. But then again, probably nobody would frequent this site if it wasn’t mostly about absolute opinions.
Tony, your great love for Israel is more like a Pedophiles love for children
Tony Duncan has posted some asinine stuff, but his latest is over the top.
Interesting he mentions Hitler when it was “Palestinian” Arabs that supported the Nazis in World War II.
Tony Duncan, you are, to be as congenial as humanly possible under the circumstances, a complete utter dope.
Slimething,
From you I take that to be a compliment.
And ti was palestinian arabs that lived with Jews until the formation of Israel and the forced removal of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian. Even Israeli historians admit that fact. I am no fan of either PLO or Hamas, but there is NO solution to the middle east without a solution in the occupied territories. Just building more settlements, somehow doesn’t seem like it is going to fix things.
Giving palestinians an actual state, and security guarantees for Israel, saves everyone from the hell that has been visited on both people .After all just annexing the west bank and gaza would mean acknowledging that humans live there, and they can’t just keep building settlements in enclaves forever. Also the total arab population would exceed jewish population, and that can’t be allowed to happen.
So the only solution I see offered by anyone here is to make Syria, Jordan and lebanon give up territory to establish a palestinian state. That is at least a conceivable solution even if politically as likely as Texas seceding to become a socialist republic.
The hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees driven from Arab lands were absorbed into Israel. In every other conflict refugees get absorbed into other cultures.
The Jordanians and Lebanese have kept Palestinians in refugee camps for 70 years, to be used as a psychological weapon against simple-minded people like you.
20% of Israel’s population is Palestinian Arabs. They don’t live in refugee camps in Israel – why do they live in refugee camps in Arab countries?.
That’s what I said. Israel was nice enough to give the part of the Suez back to Egypt after their tanks took it. The Gaza strip should be part of Israel instead of a ridiculous panhandle. The Jordan River should be the natural barrier between Israel and Jordan and the Palestinians from there and Gaza relocated to the north in the Syrian/Jordanian cutout.
And the Czech republic should go back to Germany. (Just kidding).
lol, oh hell no!! Bubba you got it right!!! Not only that, the Bavarians need their own independent state!! And what of those poor Welsh? Moor, what of Spain? What’s up with the Castillians? What about the Dutch descendants still living in New York? Shouldn’t we give them some land to be independent from the U.S.?
The perception that Israel should some how give up autonomy is nothing but blatant racism and antisemitism.
Isn’t it strange that one group of people would have their own unique term for racism? No other group of people have been so persecuted.
The hypocrites demanding such are enjoying the fruits of their forefathers conquering the lands of others. There isn’t a soul alive that this doesn’t hold true.
The whole concept of forcing a nation to give back what they took after they were attacked in order to defend their people disgusts me. Racist bigoted bastards.
What, no body disagrees? That’s bullshit. Every racist POS I know thinks Israel should go back to their ovens.
SUYTS,
Living in Vermont, the heart of socialist America, I have never met anyone who thinks that. At least not in the circles I travel in. In fact most everyone I know supports Israel. they just have trouble with the occupation and the 100 to one recent ratio of palestinians killed to israeli’s killed in combat. Of course the ratio would be about 10,000 to one if those ragheads would fight fair and meet on the field of battle with their ak-47’s and RPG’s against the F-16’s, tanks and various other hi tech gadgets the US taxpayer has provided them.
You smug asshole. One bus bombing in Vermont would have you and all the other liberal DBs calling for nuclear weapons to be dropped.
Has it ever occurred to you that the Israelis don’t want to fight and just want to to BE LEFT ALONE. They don’t want their buses and pizza parlors and schools and hotels bombed with nails laden with rat poison. The don’t want their Olympics teams murdered. They want their kids to walk to school without missiles landing on their heads.
Do you have any idea how sick your remarks are, as you sit in safe Vermont.
I don’t think he does understand how he sounds. He’s like that woman news personality that was shocked when Nixon became President, because she “didn’t know anyone that voted for him”. People on the left of politics don’t get out much. They end up with inbred views of the world from all the mating of closely related ideas they share.
Steve,
if the israeli’s only want peace, why do they keep building settlements in occupied land, that has to have private, israeli roads only, and why do they have ministers in government describe palestinians as animals.
How about this. one of the first google hits on Lieberman racism.
http://electronicintifada.net/content/rabbis-provoke-riots-israels-most-racist-city/9103
“The rabbis’ statements have provoked a series of riots by local religious Jews, in which several homes have been attacked to chants of “Death to the Arabs.” In one recent incident, three Palestinian students were beaten as shots were fired.”
or a paragraph down, this sweet tidbit.
“The anti-Arab campaign escalated last week as posters were plastered across the city threatening to burn down the home of an elderly Jew if he did not stop renting to Arab students.”
can’t have those inferior genes co mingling with good jewish stock now can we?
Funny how you and Amino missed this in his comparing Palestinians to NAZI’s.
And people still think of me as being a leftist, just because I disagree with them.
That proves it. The Arabs should have been allowed to drive the Jews into the sea in 1967. WTF is wrong with you?
Amino,
THAT made me laugh. Though both left and right insulate themselves from views that don’t fit their ideology. it is funny reading you say that after this interaction.
And i don’t think of myself as being superior to anyone. I am pretty sure in a life or death situation I could juggle more balls than you if necessary. And to a much lesser degree, that I am more open to different ideas. But this forum is a very limited range of discussion, so it would be much more presumptuous of me to assume that on this small slice of opinion.
Tony Duncan says:
May 20, 2011 at 7:48 am
And people still think of me as being a leftist, just because I disagree with them.,/i>
Your viewpoints are from the left of politics. Something else that is glaring about those with a left wing mindset is they think of themselves as middle-of-the-road.
But the truth is they are so ‘open minded’ their brains have fallen out.
The more you talk Tony the more you prove my point.
It’s late. That’s it for tonight.
Amino,
No, the more YOU talk the more you prove MY point. NA NA NA NA NA
Go play with your balls
Egyptian President Nasser 1967 : “We will drive the Jews into the sea.”
Now I get it. AGW is an anti-Semitic plot to drive the seas into Israel. Operation Noah.
Netanyahu’s response… “Israel appreciates President Obama’s commitment to peace,” the response began, curtly. “Israel believes that for peace to endure between Israelis and Palestinians, the viability of a Palestinian state cannot come at the expense of the viability of the one and only Jewish state.”
“That is why Prime Minister Netanyahu expects to hear a reaffirmation from President Obama of U.S. commitments made to Israel in 2004, which were overwhelmingly supported by both Houses of Congress.” http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/144338
Netanyahu is appealing to the American system of checks and balances. Senators and Congressmen must keep the President in check. The office of the President is only part of the power in Washington, not all of it. The Founding Fathers made certain to design a government that would not allow a king in the United States. Their government only works though for a people that want it. Otherwise a President abuses his power and acts like a king. As it is Republicans are a bunch of wussies and do nothing of real substance.
Mein Kampf still sells very well in the Middle East.
Video about Nazi–Muslim similarities
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4
The lunatic strikes again. Doesn’t anyone read a history book? Why does Bobama think he needs to interject himself into this issue? WTF does he know and why the feck does he think either party gives a rats ass about what he thinks?
Personally, I’m tired of this nation’s leaders going over there and displaying our ignorance. Does it occur to anyone else that they’ll either work it out or not? This, is not something the U.S. needs to be involved with. Israel will take care of herself. We should offer aide if needed, but it isn’t needed.
Dems and Repubs both……… stop it!!! F’n morons! Let it be. Stay out of it.
Given the recent events, does anyone really believe Israel and the Palestinians can cause stability in the mid-east? That’s the dumbest thing……..
This is not our purview, Israel can take care of her own. When we interject we only make things worse. My entire life has had events addressing this issue. IT IS BEYOND TIME! We’re not the world’s cop and we’re not fighting Israel.
Sorry, reality check!
WTF does he know and why the feck does he think either party gives a rats ass about what he thinks?
“A tree is known by its fruits.” Maybe we are seeing Obama’s true colors.
Muslim woman at UC San Diego invites people to “Hitler Youth Week” with the body language that it’s a rockin event.
You might be shocked at what she says at the end:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5HT0yU6L8Q
Her organization is sponsoring a “Hitler Youth week” ?
But finds being connected to Jihad organizations offensive.
And is afraid to voice her support of Hamas.
But not afraid to be, for the extermination of Jews in Israel. “For”
She’s afraid if she really says what she thinks she’ll be arrested by Homeland Security. That’s why she won’t say certain things. She knows how radical she is.
“She’s afraid if she really says what she thinks she’ll be arrested by Homeland Security.”
We should be so lucky…
The problems of the Middle East can’t happen in America? Unfortunately for Americans there are radicalized Muslim living in the United States.
“Our ancestors never finished the quest.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch0_hzBQLuM
Amino,
Holy cow. there are radical muslims IN THE US? Some one better tell Janet and Obama. Except THEY are probably shielding them.
I love you videos. they are all such perfect examples of propaganda. There is truth in them, and they usually have good disturbing music, and they always only present one view in such a way as to imply that that is the only possible reasonable view.
Hmm. What does that remind me of.
I know Tony, you are so superior. I could never match wits with you.
Should I go cling to guns and religion?
BTW Tony, how are sales of Mein Kampf doing in the Middle East? Or am I just making that up that it sells well there?
Tony Duncan says:
May 20, 2011 at 7:05 am
only present one view in such a way as to imply that that is the only possible reasonable view.
More of your projecting.
Tony Duncan says:
May 20, 2011 at 7:05 am
Hmm. What does that remind me of.
You. It reminds you of you.
Tony Dunce-n how can you even worry about AAM posts since they are not peer reviewed.
I find your calling out of propaganda and half truth simply laughable, as the guy who links Electronic Intifada, as your source.
If we take a step back we see that there was WWI, where the middle-eastern lands which were for centuries controlled by the Ottoman empire, were forfeited by the Turks to the UK & France. The UK & France decided to balkanize the middle-east, there was a mad dash/exodus of the various historic native people throughout the middle-east/Europe to their respective homelands. It would be an understatement to say this did not go smoothly. Throughout the middle-east some district groups won and some lost, for example the Syrian & Saudis won & the Kurds lost big time. Displaced Arabs/Jews poured into Jerusalem, Gaza & elsewhere, each with their own aspirations of forming/reforming a homeland with the biggest and most coveted piece of the pie as possible.
The lines were drawn(in the sand…) governments were formed & “Not Formed”, and there was discontent everywhere. The Arabs who were offered the area designated Palestine said “no, we want that and the land designated Israel also”. Several wars took place over land and one side always won. The Arabs in Palestine having been defeated in each and every war sits down at the negotiation table and is only willing to accept surrender terms which consist of the complete and total disbandment of the victors government, people and sole control of the lands designated Israel and Palestine. This is perplexing to me.
There can only be a compromise when both sides “believe” they gain something that is of value to them. Israel having successfully and at great cost fought off the taking of their land granted to them during the balkanization of the middle-east has in my opinion no interest in incrementally bargaining away strategic territory gained during the various conflicts. They realize a land give away at this time is appeasement, and at most a short delay until the next demand with the ultimate goal being the annihilation of Israel.
At this point I do not see a diplomatic solution and would recommend that prior to any negotiations between the Arabs in the Palestinian areas, the Palestinians form a unified and stable government. I see this problem with Libya too. We didn’t like the tyrannical government of Libya’s Muammar Gaddafi but it is a far cry from a nebulous rioting mass which could be worse than the devil we know as Gaddafi. In hindsight we should have realized this with regards to Afghanistan/Iraq.
There should be no negotiations until there is a cohesive government with some semblance of law and order with the Arabs in Palestine.
Well said. Economic progress in the west bank and Gaza is the best way forward to peace.
Palestinian schools train children to be martyrs, not scientists. Saddam used to pay $30,000 to families of suicide bombers.
“stevengoddard says:
May 20, 2011 at 5:51 pm
Palestinian schools train children to be martyrs, not scientists. Saddam used to pay $30,000 to families of suicide bombers.”
Darn…Steve, you don’t pull no punches.
Daniel makes a good point about economic progress. With the billions that has flooded into the Palestinian territory the lack of economic development is more than disappointing. There is no land concession that Israel could make to change the path of the Arabs in the Palestinian territories.
BTW: Steve, where is the private blog contact form? You have my RN/email and family photos are available if requested 🙂 and not everybody who owns a house and property in Vermont is like my Southern Vermonter prolific commenter. My personalstory about how I in Vermont without TV sporadic dialup Internet connectivity interacted linked and reacted to my family in NYC & Canada during and in the aftermath of 9/11 is quite the patriotic story, no less than my fellow neighbors in Vermont….
If my wife wasn’t Swedish and stuck on Sweden I would be back home right now, with her…but not her daughter, we think she is going to Uni in Cali next year…
Obama said 1967 + “swaps”. It means absolutely nothing.
A truly reasonable peace process cannot start by only one side making concessions. To ask one side to do so is to abort the process. To ask Israel to go back to 1967 and then get a defensible border is to ask it to become way smaller that it is now and create a mass population shift. Having been the generation after such a migration between India and Pakistan, I think it is a recipe for multi-generational animosity leading to disasters.
for someone that claims to not be muslim, he sure has been favoring them lately
Disregarding Godwin’s law for the moment, you seem to lack a few facts about the situation in your zeal to run roughshod over the Israelis. First of all, the issue of the 2 states does not really hinge on returning to the 1967 borders since Israel has already said when the Palestinians are ready to form a country, they can take the West bank and gaza (although most Gazans do not want to) and do it. The sticking point on the 1967 borders is the Golan heights.
In 1967, Israel was attacked by 3 arabian nations – Syria, Jordan and Egypt. Subsequently, Israel pushed back those armies taking effective control of the West Bank (it never was Jordans to begin with), the Sinia, and the Golan Heights. Since then, Jordan and Egypt have entered into a peaceful relationship with Israel, and Egypt has gotten the Sinia back (Israel tried to give the West Bank back to Jordan, but they were having none of that).
Which leaves Syria. technically, a state of war still exists between Syria and Israel. The Golan heights are strategic as they occupy a high ground that can be and was used to bomb Israel from. However, should Syria ever decide to become peaceful, Israel can negotiate the return.
BUT! That has nothing to do with the Palestinian question and only a moron would link the 2 (but then I have never had much regard for Obama’s mental prowess – or demonstrated lack there of). So please do not peddle stupidity here. While we disagree on somethings, you have not shown yourself to be stupid before now.
Sinai – sorry for the typos. I have deleted that entry from the dictionary.
90% of the world? You may be right. After all, most nations are still nothing more than tin plated dictatorships that care nothing for human rights. But as long as EVERYONE (or almost) wants to conduct genocide, that makes it all right? You have a very warped sense of decency and ethics.
I guess you can excuse Pol Pots excesses as well? After all, looking at the erradication of 20% of a population is only one way of looking at what he did right? Seriously, this is not your typical fair, where you can anger a crowd, yet stay on the thin edge of reality. You have jumped overboard with both feet, and it does seem more to be an alcohol or drug induced rantings than the normal mastery of the english language you demonstrate.
There is a large segment of the population still seeking Hitler’s final solution. They often choose to hide this behind the word “justice.”
“I am not prejudiced! I have a few black friends!” – How many times have we heard that line?
Oh, and for the record, Israel is a country made of of mostly Jewish type people, but not 100%. A significant minority is Arabic and Palestinian. You did not mention the ethnicity or religion of your “friends” (If they are Rahm Emmanuel, then all bets are off as he is as anti-semetic as they come). So does that mean you like Israelis as long as they are not Jewish?
20% of Israel is Arab. Nearly 0% of the Arab world is Jewish. Essentially all of the Jews were either killed or run out.
I pointed this out on another site.
The example I used was the Mumbai terrorist attack emanating from Pakistan.
There used to be Jews in Pakistan. There are none now.
But they still made sure to kill some Jews in their raid and picked them out carefully out of the 4000 jews in the country of 800 million. Because “Zionists” are doing “something” to Pakistan.
I was told that this was meaningless.
It surprises me that there no headaches involved, in this thought process.
Steve, the Christian population is falling like flies in the middle-east too. There are lots of Christians from the M.E. here in Sweden, many second generation and more coming. Still all we see in the movies are old stories of the democratic parties KKK burning churches in the south, we never see the persecution of Christians in the M.E. from Hollywood. Wonder why?
““I am not prejudiced! I have a few black friends!” – How many times have we heard that line?”
Back home in America, in Vermont, I am friends with the black guy in town. He is a New Yorker like me and a pretty cool guy and has a great kid that must be in uni by now. 🙂
Now you are just lying. There was no forced removal. There was a scare campaign conducted by the arabs that worked as many Palestinians fled. But Israel BEGGED them to stay and build a nation. they CHOSE to run. And you CHOSE to lie.
This is definitely sub tony standards. Are you high?
It seems Tony feels he is reasoned, rational, open minded, that he looks at everything with the effort to be unbiased—at least that’s what he says. But he has a hang up in that he cannot see how far his mindset is into the left of politics. It’s as I said above, the political left has the feeling it is middle-of-the-road. They cannot imagine themselves being off in a ditch on one side of the road.
I think that’s one reason they hate Sarah Palin. She really is the middle-of-the-road in America. She is an uppity commoner—and they don’t want to see the face of real America. They’d rather continue to think their herd is the real face of America. And they must feel the real middle-of-the-road America is rising to take it’s country back so they must ridicule them hoping they will sit back down. They really don’t want to lose their usurped grip on America. They want to continue to feel they are right, even though something in them tells them it is a pretend right. That uneasiness in them makes them go rabid over Sarah Palin.
Here they see America rising just as they got them to the precipice of serfdom! Dang it all! ;O)
Uppity Commoner – great term! I am an Uppity Commoner! And I think you are correct about Sarah. She would not be so vilified if she was not a threat (david Duke is reprehensible, but how much do you read about him?)
When everyone around you thinks one way, it is hard to discern reality. We already know that vermont loves to talk about racial equality – over there, since they do not practice it at home.
Now you are just being stupid. No one except a moron uses a biased site to prove a point that the site has made no secret of hiding that bias. I guess you would use Mein Kampf to justify the Nazi final solution?
Why did the US confiscate the land of marauding Native Americans? Maybe they didn’t like being scalped?
It doesn’t seem to be an issue of land. There was more than enough land. It seems it was a clash of cultures. The two cultures couldn’t coexist, even though they could live 100’s of miles apart.
What most people don’t know is that Indian tribes were more barbaric to each other than they ever were to the Europeans, or the Europeans were to them.
We have Thanksgiving from the settlers who landed at Plymouth Rock(where I have camped and had a blast btw…) but we do not here about the masecres of the other settlements, the kidnappings and pillaging. Seemed when I was a little boy we all knew about Indian torture. The Indians would live in one place until they raped the land until it would provide no more, pull up stakes and move to a knew ground. This lifestyle has been taken so far from historical truth by the left and the Indians have been granted some sort of Shinto persona by the anti-Americans.
That she is biased is a given. However, instead of repeating the obvious and then dismissing the FACTS she does present, perhaps you can link to some rebuttal of those facts? Just because a biased person states a fact does not make the fact null and void.
You are writing like a raving lunatic, not your usual composed and controlled personna.
Teh Joo hate. makes people stupid. Here we have a fine example. Started…
STARTED his argument by comparing Israel to Nazi Germany.
That the temperamental ( emphasis on “mental”) left can call out the racism card constantly when they harbor this hate exposes the fallacy of most of their positions.
And a real attachment to failed, evil, ideas.
How about we compare Palestine to France.
Treat them exactly like they are civilized and the old culture they claim to be.
Instead of treating them like backward retarded savages….
…like we are treating them now
If Native Americans started blowing up buses in Vermont, Tony would want to give them their land back.
An effective strategy, time tested and proven to get results from bedwetters all across the globe.
Sorry, to time to respond to all the 25-30 responses in a few hours. i think that is a record for me.
Fascinating though how totally unrelated to anything I actually wrote most of them are.
Especially Steve’s comment (7:06 am) that started this mornings fusillade. “That proves it. The Arabs should have been allowed to drive the Jews into the sea in 1967. WTF is wrong with you?” . Of course nothing I wrote gives even the tiniest indication that I suggest or support that idea.
Maurizio’s (7:23) is at least a reasonable take . “Obama said 1967 + “swaps”. It means absolutely nothing.”
Deebee (7:42) “that you want to “start” every new iteration of the peace process by asking Israel to do something clearly against its interests.” As I noted isreal’s options are rather limited. they can absorb the entire Palestinian population which will them outnumber the jewish population and therefore undermine the jewish nature of the state or the democratic nature. they can continue as things are and build more settlements, Or they can have a two state solution.
Then deebee’s sweet comment (7:50) “Tony, your great love for Israel is more like a Pedophiles love for children”. Actually no, I prefer a platonic relationship where Israel is secure and there is no huge rationalizationg for breeding hatred of Israel.
Again the brilliance of deebee (7:52) “Go play with your balls” damn, he got me on that one.
Debee again (7:52) “Tony Dunce-n how can you even worry about AAM posts since they are not peer reviewed.” Well, just show me it is made up propaganda and I will denounce it vociferously her. Though I have known with Israeli jews who have compared Palestinians to animals. I was actually at a juggling convention in Israel, where Palestinian children were not allowed, and I have seen videos of clear racism by jews. against arabs. Pretty easy to find actually.
Deebee (7:59) “A truly reasonable peace process cannot start by only one side making concessions. To ask one side to do so is to abort the process. To ask Israel to go back to 1967 and then get a defensible border is to ask it to become way smaller that it is now and create a mass population shift. Having been the generation after such a migration between India and Pakistan, I think it is a recipe for multi-generational animosity leading to disasters.” Wow, he said something that makes some sort of logical sense. It ignores pats of reality, such as the occupation and gross mistreatment of Palestinians, but he makes an arguable point.
Ok that takes me up to 8 o’clock. I should be able to get to 11 am by June 23rd.
OK. Just have to add Steve’s most recent (11:19).
“If Native Americans started blowing up buses in Vermont, Tony would want to give them their land back.” Actually Steve to take a more feasible scenario if 95% of hawaiins wanted to have their sovereignty back , and we bombed and attacked Hawaii whenever one of their terrorists attacked the mainland, and the hawaiins were kept in the same conditions as palestinians I would be all for returning their land.
Actually, I beleive NAMBLA states the same thing.
Israel turned over Gaza to the Palestinians ten years ago, and were rewarded by several thousand missile strikes from Gaza over the last decade, an attack from Lebanon, and dozens of suicide attacks on buses, Pizza Parlors and schools.
You are a complete dumbass.
Any territory these Quasi-theocracies/Ignorocracies in the Middle East get their hands on turns to dung in record time. In Lebanon, Beirut used to be called the “Jewel of the Orient”. Now it is a pile of sh*t. Lebanon used to have a cosmopolitan balance of peoples, including a high percentage of Christians. They have all been driven out because of ignorance and persecution. Remember the quote attributed to Einstein about doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
Obama expects the regimes in Egypt and Libya to turn into benign democracies. Einstein would laugh if he weren’t crying.
“There must be some way out of here, said the Joker to the Thief”.
My kingdom for somebody saying something, anything new about the Israelo-Palestinian conflict!!
Status quo with regard to foreign aid to Israel and review of the parallel aid to Egypt when a new government emerges. An active and punitive practice by US diplomats to keep the local territorial dispute out of formal meetings & the media. The consistent use of the US UN Security Council veto and a moratorium on all peace talks.Nothing good in the US interest can come from them. Israel is a prosperous nation and a friend not only to the US but Europe as well and glory seeking peacemakers only become pawns.
M, not new but heck, if Kissinger could not fix this…
People picture the “Palestinians” living in camps and rags, but google the pics and you will see thriving markets, movie theaters and more Mercedes than most Arab countries. Israel has factories employing them…I remember one made blue jeans. But when you have an ideology such as Islam which their prophet commanded them to destroy the Jews and called them dogs and pigs, then it will NEVER stop. They seek salvation in the destruction of Jews and Israel. There is NO way any peace will ever exist, until they destroy Israel. It’s their religion and it isn’t going to change!
People don’t want to acknowledge the basic fact is not about land, but about Islam and the Mohammed and the hatred of Jews. You could give them a trillion dollars and the 1967 borders back, but it WILL NOT stop them from seeking the total destruction of Israel. It’s in the Hamas Charter……….