You can’t make this stuff up …..
“In 2009 for the first time, we were able to figure out (from satellites) what the thickness of the Arctic ice was – and we are finding that it is thinner now.”
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Wow a new form of science!
I predicted that they would make a trend out of one lousy stinking data point, but I didn’t predict that NASA would outreach to gays.
The Earth tilts on axis and moves the Arctic away from the direct rays of the Sun in the winter and are not reflecting off the Arctic surface. That’s why it gets cold and we have winter in the northern hemisphere.
This is 5th grade science at best. At least it was in 1960.
This would fit in nicely on Sesame Street.
Apparently you can. The actual quote:
“In 2009 what we also released were some new satellite results where for the first time we’re able to figure out what the thickness of the arctic ice is all over the place. And what we’re finding that it is thinner now.”
Tom Wagner, Oct 9, 2009
What you claimed he said:
“In 2009 for the first time, we were able to figure out (from satellites) what the thickness of the Arctic ice was – and we are finding that it is thinner now.”
A little Google-Fu returns the actual July, 2009 press release he was referring to New NASA Satellite Survey Reveals Dramatic Arctic Sea Ice Thinning. The lead sentence? “Arctic sea ice thinned dramatically between the winters of 2004 and 2008, with thin seasonal ice replacing thick older ice as the dominant type for the first time on record.”
that’s odd….
For the first time, yet we know it’s thinner
If you actually, you know, read the press release you would have discovered that the satellite observations are just the latest measurements and what they provided were the first “all arctic” measurements vs the “spot measurements” that have been provided for decades by submarines. And that the satellite measurements agree with the submarine measurements:
“One of the main things that has been missing from information about what is happening with sea ice is comprehensive data about ice thickness,” said Jay Zwally, study co-author and ICESat project scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. “U.S. Navy submarines provide a long-term, high-resolution record of ice thickness over only parts of the Arctic. The submarine data agree with the ICESat measurements, giving us great confidence in satellites as a way of monitoring thickness across the whole Arctic Basin.”
Navy PIPS2 data shows that the ice has thickened by more than 30% since 2008. Too bad the Navy doesn’t have any submarines.
Banjamin, don’t be an ass just because you can…..
…I did read it
If you would actually, you know, read what you quoted you would have discovered that is exactly what they said……..
““In 2009 what we also released were some new satellite results where for the first time we’re able to figure out what the thickness of the arctic ice is all over the place. And what we’re finding that it is thinner now.”
Latitude: You mean as opposed to what Steven said they said, and then attacked them the content of a mis-quote that he, being generous to Steven, “was less than accurate” in making in the first place?
Steven hasn’t even admitted that he mis-quoted the scientist. Much less that the mis-quote materially mis-represented what was said. What they did in 2009 was release IceSAT data covering 2004 through 2008 – that *in conjunction with decades of submarine data* shows that ice thickness has been dropping dramatically.
But it is always easier for Steven to knock down the strawman of “a trend from one point” rather than the actual science of “trend from decades worth of submarine measurements supplemented by recent satellite data”.
Are you Tony Duncan?
That’s even more odd….
…I didn’t say any of those things, not one word
Are you alright?
Way to make a mountain out of a moehole. Obsess over minutia much?
The title to your link…..“New NASA Satellite Survey Reveals Dramatic Arctic Sea Ice” Thinning”
re·veal
–verb (used with object)
1. to make known; disclose; divulge: to reveal a secret.
2. to lay open to view; display; exhibit.
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Now, if I were to make something known to you, we can assume it wasn’t known by you to begin with. Obviously, I can’t make something known to you if you already knew it. To make it simple for you, if it revealed anything, obviously it was known for the first time.
If all of this is just verification of old news, why have a press release. Wouldn’t that be akin to stating “Satellites Confirm the Earth is a spheroid!!!” ………. but then, I’m quite used to the sophistry employed by alarmists.
@ Benji………. YOU FREAKING MORON!!!! YOU’RE ATTEMPTING TO CALL STEVE OUT ON A IMPROPER ATTRIBUTION? DID YOU BOTHER TO WATCH THE VIDEO? STEVE’S QUOTE WAS THE ACTUAL QUOTE!!!!……………… FREAKING TROLLS. GO TO ABOUT 1:20 INTO THE VIDEO AND HEAR FOR YOURSELF.
Alarmists…..never trust them, they will bold face lie to you.
No comment!
If you think that’s funny, a mere video, have a peer-reviewed taste of RealClimate’s resident expert on sea level, who drew a line not through a single point but right through a piece of spaghetti thrown at a wall which is then extrapolated far into the future, corrections included. Details of this Mann-worthy tale:
http://climatesanity.wordpress.com/critique-of-global-sea-level-linked-to-global-temperature-by-vermeer-and-rahmstor/
I wish I could find the spaghetti picture, but my iPhone skills in Chinatown’s Joe’s Shanghai are not up to the task.
Was it something I said?
Good thing they launched that satellite with a built-in flux capacitor! How else would we be able to record observations from the past and compare them to the present?
“satellite with a built-in flux capacitor”
Is that sucker nuclear or electrical? 🙂
Nuclear. The Libyans gave us their plutonium a few years back, remember? That’s why we can now attack them and say we’re not really attacking them, or something.