- No global warming for almost 17 years
- Temperatures running below Hansen’s zero emissions scenario C.
- Longest spell since the Civil War without a major hurricane hitting the US
- Grover Cleveland’s presidency saw 26 hurricanes hit the US, compared to Barack Obama with 3 hurricanes.
- Strong to violent tornadoes have been on the decline for 40 years
- 100 years since the hottest temperature was recorded on Earth
- Prior to data tampering, no US warming for 90 years
- Global sea ice area is above normal
- Arctic sea ice area is normal
- Cold season snowfall has been rising and is at record levels in recent years.
- Sea level rise rates have been steady for over a century.
Nothing they forecast has come true. All they have left are busted theories, tampered NOAA and GISS data, and fraudulent John Cook surveys.
It is pathetic. And Obama’s teleprompter can’t stop talking about it.
But, remember, all those things are also caused by “climate change” due to Other People refusing to give up their fossil fueled lifestyles. /sarc
one more tornado..and Oklahoma is going to tip over
…and that will be God’s wrath against conservatives
And that was just the normal liberals saying that
Yes, thank you for the “tip over” remark. From Rep. Hank Johnson (D-GA) remarks last year at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg – shows the only “anti-science” people in the building on Capital Hill are the Democrats. This esteemed member of Congress suggested an island can “tip over” due to U.S. forces stationed there …
“And that was just the normal liberals saying that….”
…….As opposed to the truly Eco-psycho raving wing nut ones… 🙂
Funny how now commenters yet have actually checked to see if you were right.
You’re not.
1) http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/upsDownsGlobalWarming.html
2 – 3) Citations needed. Grover cleveland at most say about 8 landfalling hurricanes. 27 is absurdly high and immediately sounded like a red herring. It was.
4) Actually they haven’t. 1974 was a spike due to an outbreak. You cannot use that as a year to draw a trend from. In fact the outbreak of 2011 was much larger and much worse.
5) Going by the most extreme in any direction is stupid. By your logic, winds are getting less because of such a time span between Mt. Washington’s 231mph wind gust. Or that we’re getting into a huge drought because we haven’t seen rain like Alvin, TX’s 40″ in one day. I guess this is what you get when you have a non scientist who knows nothing about weather post a climate blog.
6) It’s not data tampering. You fail to understand how statistics over a geographic area work. You can never EVER take a raw average to find out a temperature trend because stations are not equally spread out, or started at the same time, or are equally reliable. Surely this has been explained to you before? It’s fairly obvious to me.
7-8) You have to look at trends. Trends are that the sea ice is getting thinner and thinner. You don’t look at extremes to establish trends.
9) It hasn’t. For almost ALL of the stations in my area of the US, average snowfall has been dropping precipitously over the last few decades.
10) Sea level rise, wait, you claim ice is building yet sea levels are rising… do you even review what you type?
Chances are this will fall on deaf ears, and you’ll just call me an idiot and not bother to look into anything you’re typing. Plus your adoring fans will take whatever you say as the gospel since they’re apparently too lazy to look anything up to see if you’re actually right or not.
If I show you that my numbers are correct, will you stop being a global warming moron?
I have posted these sources on many occasions.
It appears painfully obvious, that if you take the same stations, away from the UHI, there has only been one 18 year period with significant warming since 1940. That was from 1980 thru 1998. Any effect that only works 25% of the time is not very convincing. With those same stations, there has been no warming since the 1930’s.
Show that 27 hurricanes made landfall under Cleveland’s watch.
Also, you’d have to show your data for all US stations, how you averaged them, etc. Even if you showed a cooling trend, you’d only have 2% of the surface of the Earth. You’d have to show that the entire earth is cooling, not just the US.
How come you rant and rave when people post things you claim is a lie, yet you are apparently posting lies yourself?
Henderson,
I don’t like wasting time on people who are not interested in learning. I need you to show me that you have an open mind and are willing to be rescued from the global warming cult before I spend any time on this.
Yeah, I’m really going to give credibility to this…. NOT…
WRONG… look at the historical record
WRONG again … worst tornado outbreak was in 1974 with over 148 tornado’s in 24 hrs., and yes, that one year created at spike for that one year, but the trend speaks for itself. Steven is 100% correct in his statement.
No, you’re stupid. Steven is merely pointing out a FACT that the hottest temperature record still hasn’t been surpassed despite 100 years of terrible global warming, errr, cliiiimate chaaange…
Bullshit! … it is absolutely data tampering, as has been shown here and elsewhere on numerous occasions. It is data tampering, and it is fraudulent. How can you explain a consistent cooling of the past and “adjusting” warming for post 1980? .. with every new data “update” adjusting even further, more cooling of the past and warming of the present. It is fraud, plain and simple. You have to be a stupid sheeple not to acknowledge this.
Really? Show me this data… Show me where the “trend” is thinning ice. Show me a “long term” trend that shows this. Remember, no extremes, just the “trend”. I want to see your trend, say from 1920 onward, and then I want to see your trends for pre-1920 so we have something to compare to, otherwise you are blowing smoke up someones ass.
So, your area is the globe? the US? All you have to do is go out to the Rutgers snow research site and look at the data yourself. You are wrong again!
Do you know what Sea Ice is? What happens to your glass of tea when the ice melts? Does it overflow? On the other hand, if you freeze the tea in your glass, what does the tea do? ..hint [for the brain dead]: it expands (idiot!). Do you think about anything you type? Or do you have a room of monkeys doing your work for you? Moron….
Oops, sorry squid, shoulda read your post first. 🙂
Where is your data? Stop with the name calling and post your data.
Funny how you dismiss a NASA article just because you don’t like what it says.
Sea level rise, wait, you claim ice is building yet sea levels are rising… do you even review what you type?
Floating ice? Do you even think about what you type?
ROFLMAO … Billy, it amazes me how people can fail to engage their two little brain cells and think about the “floating ice” issue. This is why the alarmists get away with claiming that a melting Arctic (floating ice) will drown everyone. Stupid people don’t even take two seconds to engage in simple thought as to how this is impossible. Pathetic.
I think for people like Henderson the idea that the planet is on a long term mild warming trend (which has been going now for at least 300 years), while simultaneously, on shorter time scales, some parts of the planet may be cooling somewhat, is all too difficult to grasp.
Most of the ice that is melting in Greenland and Antarctica is not floating…
Would you say that the rate of sea level rise is accelerating as many AGW alarmists contend, or is approximately constant?
Use whatever timescale you want (I would suggest last several decades if you wish to use satellite data), and link us to your data, please.
I’d like your comments on if you contend that extreme weather events (U.S. tornadoes, global and North Atlantic hurricanes, U.S. droughts and floods) are on the increase (i.e. correlate with rising CO2). I’m not even asking you to prove causation. Just refute the objective data I provided in my other comment (or learn something if you have an open mind).
That last comment was for Henderson and I accidentally put it here.
Henderson?
For people like Henderson it’s never been about facts. It’s primarily wish fulfillment. The only trend heading in the “right” direction for him (currently) is Arctic sea ice. Otherwise there are no trends or the trends are in the opposite direction. That’s why he only mentions 1 trend although Steve makes 11 claims.
Henderson –
Landfalling U.S. hurricanes by date (NOAA): http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/hurdat/All_U.S._Hurricanes.html
Grover Cleveland 26 (16 in 1st term, March 1885 – March 1889; 10 in 2nd term, March 1893 – March 1897), Barack Obama 3 (1st term; 2nd term pending)
Hurricane energy trends: http://policlimate.com/tropical/
Tornado trends (NOAA): http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/severeweather/tornadoes.html
http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/images/tornado/clim/EF3-EF5.png – The trend is quite easy to spot just eyeballing it.
and http://www.spc.noaa.gov/wcm/adj.html
What effect does the invention of Doppler radar and population increases (size and distribution) have on skewing data on counts of weaker (F1/EF1-F3/EF3) tornadoes over the last several decades?
Drought/flood data: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/service/drought/wetdry/bar-mod-110-00/190001-201304.gif
Snow data: http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_seasonal.php?ui_set=nhland&ui_season=1
Do you see any trends for extreme weather matching the exponentially-rising CO2 level?
What effect does “reporting bias,” the 24 hr news cycle, and the internet have on peoples’ perceptions of the frequency of extreme weather events?
Oh god. Some of those are the same storms.
You got me on the June 1886 duplicate. Subtract one – 15 in first term, 25 total.
They are not the same storms. You said 8. I said 26. The correct number is 26. Time for you to renounce the global warming cult.
Those are not duplicates. There were two nearly identical hurricanes.which came a week apart in June.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/1886_Atlantic_hurricane_2_track.png/150px-1886_Atlantic_hurricane_2_track.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/1886_Atlantic_hurricane_3_track.png/150px-1886_Atlantic_hurricane_3_track.png
Thanks Steve.
Henderson? What say you?
Where is your unbiased objective source for 8?
Yet, none of those things your posit, Henderson, are proof of anthropogenic global warming.
10) Global sea rise is actually below expectation for a warm period. Over the past 7K years the average is around 8 inches per century. That takes into account cool periods, where sea rise is much lower, and even negative, so warm periods should be much more than 8 inches. Yet, the 20th saw an average of 8 inches, and that is what the 21st is on pace for. In other words, this warm period isn’t very much of a warm period.
And the amount of global SEA ice has no bearing on sea level. Melting or freezing has no bearing on levels. Try dropping ice in a glass of water, and watch it melt. The level doesn’t change.
I suspect that no matter what data you are provided with, you’ll still be a Warmist. So, can you honestly tell us that you have given up fossil fueled travel and made your life “carbon neutral”?
Henderson –
I count 25 Grover Cleveland landfalling U.S. hurricanes, avoiding a duplicate in June 1886 and a tropical storm in his second term, 15 + 10 = 25 total.
Where do you get 8? Who said 27? Goddard and I said 26.
26 is correct – noted. Thanks Steve for clarification.
Yes, Henderson, let’s look at trends! How about the Sea Ice Trend in the Antarctic? What a scorcher! How about the Ice breakup at Nenana? Northern Hemisphere snow cover? Drought? Incidents of every state in the lower 48 over 100 degrees?
That is not a duplicate. There were two very similar storms in June 1886. The total is 26.
Henderson, you sound like the moron on Skeptical Science that posted
Are you THAT moron, or yet another one?
Since you’ve been overwhelmingly proven a complete ignorant ass just on the Grover Cleveland hurricane count, there’s really no need to listen to anything else you have to say. You couldn’t even get Steve’s original count right (saying 27 instead of 26), then you did an “Oh God” claiming duplicate storms even though it was more than obvious from the linked official list that your claim of 8 was total bullshit, and finally you were full of shit about the duplicates. Why in the hell would you keep digging the dipshit hole deeper??!! Why not at least shut up right away, if not apologizing for how horribly wrong you were???!!!
On just one bullet from Steve’s list you have established yourself as an extreme DUMBASS!!!
And the vast majority of people still believe in it.
Link to post on President Cleveland’s Hurricanes
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/obama-has-had-the-fewest-hurricanes-of-any-president/
All scams begin with a lie, all global warming and enviro fraud begins with blaming everything on humans. Too many humans believe by their very presence on the planet that is causing something bad to happen in nature. So the global warming extortion continues regardless of how exposed the fraudlent science becomes.
Henderson sounds a lot like Patientman, who got smacked down in the Bill Maher thread. These guys don’t learn well.
Ah, let the guy catch a break, he’s just another desperate cognitive dissonant who can’t let go his belief system even in the face of actual scientific evidence. Maybe he even thinks the sun still revolves around the Earth. Or perhaps he’s a WWF/Greenpeace troll, some ex-geography academic who’s now styling himself an ‘environmental scientist’. Lot of them about.
Why do any of you pander to Henderson? If he chooses to defend the theory of AGW, then let him defend it with arguments and data that proves his beliefs. It is his position that needs to be defended (by him) and others who profess a deep belief in AGW. Not those of a skeptic.
Henderson can defend his data and beliefs against the arguments of skeptics and we will see how well ithis arguments hold up. This is how the Scientific Principal works. It is not up to the skeptics to defend anything. Skeptics aren’t trying to make major changes to how we live our lives based on cherry picked/massaged/non-existent data for a theory that hasn’t .
My new strategy is to get them to promise to leave the cult before I will argue with them.
Last night I was watching a re-run of “Conan the Barbarian” on Fox … it is a powerful metaphor for the CAGW cult. Funny, Arnie ‘Schwanzie’ fought the Cult in this movie, yet he is fully immersed in the CAGW cult.
I thought I saw ‘Henderson’ right up there in the front of the cult queue !
There is a way out of the present dilemma:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/Peaceful_Resolution.pdf
Foolish decisions and policies were adopted in 1945-46 out of fear and loathing that humans might use knowledge of nuclear energy to destroy life on Earth.
Here’s five brave souls who recorded the 1945-46 mistakes: http://tgrule.com/2013/05/22/climatology/#comments
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA Principal
Investigator for Apollo
Longest spell since the Civil War without a major hurricane hitting the US
What exactly was Sandy — a mirage?
Sandy was a category 1. A major hurricane is category 3-5.
To be clear, barely a hurricane at all, with few or no land based sustained wind speed measurements above 75 MPH. If you are too ignorant to know that weak Sandy just happened to combine with a winter storm because it was perfectly steered in by a high pressure system to the North, and it came ashore right as there was a full moon high tide, you shouldn’t be commenting here. Just because a whole mass of liberal idiots keep chanting “Superstorm Sandy”, doesn’t mean it was anything special in terms of hurricane energy. The economic and other damage it caused has nothing to do with its intensity, which in turn does not lend any credence to the global warming scare.
Henderson:
Where are you? No posts since 5-22, when you were called out by numerous people.
Did FACTS finally shut you up?