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This is getting silly now. I thought global warming and melting glaciers would lead to increased water flows. Not to mention more evaporation and more rain or will all this extra rain go straight into the oceans. ;O)
Critical thought is not an asset for AGW authors.
Indeed. It seems that neither Jimbo or Steve have thought critically enough to wonder when all the water comes from after the glaciers have melted or that we can’t always determine where and when rain will fall.
They will all be gone by 2035 according to the IPCC.
Goodness, Laz, you REALLY believe the glaciers referred to are going to have melted away by 2030? That’s five years EARLIER than the IPCC report of 2035 . . . oh, wait, that was supposed to 2350 . . . so they won’t even be gone by then.
I hope you are having as much fun trolling as those are in responding to you . . . !
No I don’t believe that. I don’t have to believe anything. All I have to do is accept the scientific research that shows there will be a decline in flow as glaciers melt.
You should all try it sometime – it is quite educational.
Yes, that’s what happens when one comes out of an ice age. I predict the increased rainfall will fall proportionally to the land/sea ratio. I could be wrong, it could be the H2O will know that it is evil wetness and only fall in the oceans……….of course, today, we have have the tech to recoup fresh water from the seas and make canals, …….so well, nothing will really happen. Very scary.
“there will be a decline in flow as glaciers melt.”
Actually it is the other way round Laz.
yes, i think a decline in water flow from glaciers would be indicative of cooling
Is that what the research suggests Pete, or just your personal hunch?
Laz,
I’ve just completed a critical experiment on the relationship of heating/cooling available water supply.
METHODS: a 3cm hole was drilled in the bottom of a two 24 fl oz glasses and filled with 21.34 oz of ice.
Glass #1 was placed 12.6cm from a Catalina Model: 16534-001 50W Halogen desk lamp.
Sample glass #2 was placed on the top rack of a GE Model # FUF21SVRWW frost-free upright freezer.
At the end of the test period of 24 minutes (admittedly a short time frame, I have requested a federal grant so I can continue with this vital work with longer time periods)
RESULTS:
Glass #1 produced 3.6 ounces of usable, drinkable water.
Glass #2 showed no change.
CONCLUSION:
Higher temperatures (especially those above 32F (0C) increase the flow of water from a higher elevation to lower elevations.
My grant request also includes funding for a trip to the Himalayas to confirm water flows downhill in that region of the world.
…This just in regarding Himalayan glacial melt and river flow…
A recent study for the World Bank has shown that the volume of water resulting from glacial melt in Nepal makes up less than 5% of the flows of rivers leaving the country and contributing to the Ganges downstream.
“That is, about 95% or more of the river flow is the result of rain and melting seasonal snow,” said report co-author Richard Armstrong, a glaciologist from the University of Colorado at Boulder, US.
If that is true, rivers downstream of the eastern Himalayas will hardly be affected, even if the glaciers recede or disappear.
reference
“I’ve just completed a critical experiment on the relationship of heating/cooling available water supply.”
Can’t wait for it’s publication in Nature.
“Can’t wait for it’s publication in Nature”
True to form, you quip about the sarcastic portion of the comment, but are eerily silent about the science part.
Could it be that it helps to answer your question to Pete about regarding science & hunches?
More about that tricky science stuff…
“A report by Vijay Kumar Raina, formerly of the Geological Survey of India, seeks to correct widely spread reports that India’s 10,000 or so Himalayan glaciers are shrinking rapidly in response to climate change. It’s not true, Raina says.
reference
And since AGWers are so keen on consensus & appeals to authority… The reviews of Raina’s repoer are in…
“The “extremely provocative” findings “are consistent with what I have learned independently” — Jeffrey S. Kargel, glaciologist, University of Arizona, Tucson.
“Many glaciers in the Karakoram Mountains, on the border of India and Pakistan, have “stabilized or undergone an aggressive advance,” — Michael Bishop, mountain geomorphologist, University of Nebraska.
“Such evidence “challenges the view that the upper Indus glaciers are ‘disappearing’ quickly and will be gone in 30 years” — Canadian glaciologist Kenneth Hewitt.
“the only possible conclusion is that IPCC’s Himalaya assessment got it “horribly wrong…They were too quick to jump to conclusions on too little data.” — John “Jack” Shroder, glacier specialist, University of Nebraska.
“I believe that Dr Raina has provided the evidence, and interpreted it correctly.” — Dr. Cliff Ollier, School of Earth and Environment, University of Western Australia.
A decline of flow from glaciers indicates the glaciers are growing. At least that is how Hydrologists interpret reduced stream flow down stream from glaciers.
It appears that some do not take into consideration water absorbed in the ground and vegetation that continues after a rain. In some locations it continues for some time even without Glaciers.
I am not sure how many glaciers feed the Mississippi River but there are very few times it has actually gone dry. I have neighbors that use spring water and my well is artesian and I have what are called wet weather springs on my property. The last I looked around my neighborhood there were no glaciers.
Is that what the research suggests Mike, or just your personal hunch?
LAZ:
DID you READ: HYDROLOGISTS! You know the people that study water flow!
Those people have been studying water flow longer than Climatology has been around. They even have their own publications and their own international society.
http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/journaldescription.cws_home/503343/description#description
Laz is talking about the IPCC scientists – you know, the ones who rely on WWF propaganda for their reports.
We have cloudy days everyday here in Metro Manila and many other areas in the Philippines, with rains sometimes, when Nov-Dec to February should be “cold and dry”, not cold and wet. Terrible global warming.
Nonoy:
How many glaciers do you have supplying water to your neighborhood?
Surely that depends on how many glaciers are in your neighbourhood? There are billions of people that have them in their neighbourhood.
Laz,
Perhaps I should repeat.
If glaciers melt quicker, more water will come down stream not less.
Only when the glaciers are gone will the stream dry up and according to the Indian scientists, this is not going to happen.
( But of course they are only Voodoo Scientists)
Paul it is clear that your are ignorant of the seasonal cycles involved in glacier melt, but it should suffice to say that less ice equals less water. Unless of course you have credible research that overturns research already done that shows the opposite of what you claim, I think you should leave it at that.
Lazarus says:
December 17, 2010 at 1:59 am
No I don’t believe that. I don’t have to believe anything. All I have to do is accept the scientific research that shows there will be a decline in flow as glaciers melt.
Accept – Blind faith. The neccessary ingredient for any religion. Congratulations on being so honest about your new faith!