The Met Office forecast 2010 would be the hottest on record. Instead, January-November CET is the coldest in 23 years.
http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcet/cetml1659on.dat
Once the December temperatures get figured in, it will be the coldest year since at least 1963.
Climatologists prove on a daily basis that they have absolutely no clue what they are talking about.
Cold in US too:
from today, 12/15/10
According to AccuWeather records, the 9-degree reading at Salisbury, NC, if confirmed, will break the daily record low for the day, which was set 112 years ago!
Kentucky Below Zero (F)
http://www.accuweather.com/blogs/weathermatrix/story/43055/north-carolina-frigid-appalachians-below-zero.asp
Steve how does 2010 go from being “tied” for the hottest year ever to the coldest since 1963 because of temps in December.
That would be huge news, and I have seen no other right wing blog say anything like that.
generally, when new records are broken, you say “it’s the coldest since….”
i.e., when records from say 1852 are broken, you say, “it’s the coldest since 1852.”
This article really isn’t that complicated.
It appears it is too complicated for someone.
TonyD:
Interesting thing is that many years are not statistically different from one another due to errors in equipment and methods. The further back in history the larger the errors. claiming a .7C increase in temperature over the last 150 years is statistically the same as saying the temperature did not change or that it might have cooled by as much as .3 just to be on the generous side of the equation. It appears the climatologists have tended to fudge towards the warm side as that was the desired outcome.
That is a quite feasible assertion
Ok,
You are comparing England to the entire world!
and if these types of temperatures for England continue for a few years it will balance out the “unprecedented” high temps since records were started in the 1700’s.
I am always glad when you link to actual data, so I can see for myself and make up my own mind instead of just accepting your authority.
Tony,
I think Steve is saying that 2010 will end up being the coldest year on record (at one station in central England) since 1963. That was after the met office predicted that 2010 would be the hottest on record for the UK.
2010 being in a tie for the hottest year is what now is being claimed about global temperatures. not just one spot in central England. So, you could be tied for warmest year on record globally, but still have the coldest year since 1963 in one spot.
So I hope
I see that now.
CET is the longest temperature record in the world. It is the average temperature for most of England. The Met Office is located in England.
I see that now
There you go, using graphs again. Always clouding the issue with data.
Yeah, but that’s Central England.. Everyone knows that AGW discriminates between countries, sending some into a deep freeze, while frying others.. like the Arctic.
scottland ski areas were open until june
and the fun continues
http://news.scotsman.com/news/Scotland-braced-for-three-feet.6662135.jp
ya. warmest year ever.
interesting when I looked at the post at first it just had a link. i had to go to the website to get a graph. the graph I saw showed temps from the 1980’s being much higher than almost the entire rest of the record from the 1700’s.
and actually ACC DOES discriminate, and so do Mike’s natural cycles. Pretty much every theory of climate has different areas with different temperatures.
ACC is not supposed to discriminate because additional GHGs in the atmosphere would lead to equalizing global temperatures by warming the poles fastest to reach global equilibrium of temperatures. That would be done by restricting heat loss and allowing it to spread to the cooler regions of the globe. With the UK being further north it would experience the effects of ACC before say Florida which is further south.
A very good display of ACC existing would be if the UK experienced the same type of winter as Florida’s average / normal Winter climate.
The model outputs showed the results of GHG influenced Climate Change and those models say your are wrong!
Natural climate change does not discriminate either as each region follows its own Long term weather patterns.
How can regional weather patterns discriminate?
Well actually if you consider moving plant hardiness zones as being discriminatory ACC may discriminate. According to Arbor Day Foundation Global Warming will increase the area of plant hardiness zones moving them north and higher in elevation. It is supposed to change the types of plants that do best in regions and my region will not require plants that are as cold hardy as are needed now.
Actually the Arbor Day group sent out new plant hardiness charts that would have lead to plants dying from the freezing weather if people used the as planting guides. I used the old guides as I did not think they were seeing reality but what the CLB was crying about.
Mike,
I am going to go out on a limb here, and say that you are not talking out of your mouth.
I know of no one who has ever said climate models predict any effect that is smooth and consistent.
What you say is accurate about the overall effect. The range in temp between tropics and poles is supposed to decrease if ACC models are correct. But there are differences in what models say about specific areas . There are all sorts of climactic and weather effects that will be influenced by increasing temps, and they will impact different areas in ways that cannot be fully predicted. What IS predicted is the energy imbalance and the general gradient of that imbalance as it moves toward equilibrium. therefore neither Steve’s obsession with cold temps, nor the Mets terrible short term forecasting have any bearing on the validity of ACC.
Weather patterns can discriminate by moving weather to different places. I was just using Dave’s innapropriate anthropomorphism, it was not how I would ever describe weather or climate.
Plant hardiness is something I do NOT understand.
How the hell do some annuals survive in -0°c during the vermont winters. I have plants that stay green and then just continue growing. It amazes me every year
I don’t think this is correct – taking the Hadley Centre’s provisional December CET temperature of -0.6C (i.e. up to 21/12) still leaves the average for 2010 at 8.84C compared to 1986’s 8.74C.
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