Must be the thin mountain air up in Summit County. 2010 had the most snow ever recorded in North America, and 2011 was #3.
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Maybe we will be lucky and he will grant us the pleasure of his magnificent presence so I can say something like: If you do not understand weather , which you appear not to, you are only making a fool of your self trying to talk about climate which is the study if long term weather. The main problem with the current group of Climatologists is that they do not understand weather.
I just looked at his map and saw it is from a political advocacy group which makes him a shill for political advocacy groups that rely on Dupes to spread their propaganda they have fabricated.
Bob: Be good boy and do some home work so you can understand that we are experiencing some of the mildest weather conditions during the last 4 million years or even longer. Probably in the top 2% of mild weather!
You’d think these global warming scientists would check graphs once in a while.
Rockies between Alberta and BC were overloaded too….had to be that dry snow kind though.
Well, he was talking about spring snowpacks, and that’s the graph he used at his site. But, I’d honestly expect a lower spring snowpack now than in the 70’s. Look at the temperature plot…it should’ve been colder 40 years ago. But what about 40 years before that?
Hmm, has Bob discussed the Blue Mesa Reservoir’s lack of drought? You’d think it’d be important that it is 15% above average in volume even though the outflows have been well above normal for the last few weeks.
http://bluemesa.water-data.com/
Flaming Gorge reservoir is also well above normal with high outflows. Lake Navajo is a touch above average, though outflows are currently low.
Come to think of it, I’m super confused. Here, we have one CAGW believer telling us that last winter’s snows aren’t so good and no different than those 15 years ago. But earlier, we were told by another CAGW believer that this past winter’s “freak” snows were due to lake effect snow from the Great Salt Lake. Who should we believe?
-Scott
lol, that’s the beauty of climate science! Just throw some blathering bs out….. as much as possible….. then when one actually fits reality…… no matter how briefly, they can say, “See, we’ve been saying this is happening!!!”
But, the base of the problem is, these nitwits have taken a picture of a point in time and expect it to remain that way, as if it had always been that way. When in reality, it had only been that way during a particular point in time of their life. They are a particularly dull lot.
“…that’s the beauty of climate science!”
No, that’s the trademark of leftists, duplicity.
Man, it’s funny that he has the line “Global warming deniers just don’t get the difference between climate and weather” at the top of his article and then responds to Steve’s comment by pointing to a bunch of record highs this summer? Wow. Pot calling the kettle black…and he had several choices for valid responses too…guess he doesn’t know the topic well enough.
-Scott
His article showed he does not know jack about weather so he would have been better not even using the word climate because that makes him look Dumber that Steven’s Pet Rocks!
Maybe he needs a consultation with Otis:
http://www.otisworldwide.com/
They even claim to be Green!
Maybe they can help him find his top floor!
But winter snowfall is not relevant. May snowfall is much more important. And July snowfall must therefore be the most important of all.
OK, I’ll bite, or at least nibble … My bad, poorly researched, just trying to compile some interesting stats and graphs for readers. You’ll notice I added some of the Rutgers graphs showing increases in extent of winter snow cover – very interesting!
Now, what say you to this link, which shows, month by month, how daily record high temps have almost continually far outpaced record lows?
http://www.climatecentral.org/blogs/record-warm-nighttime-temperatures-a-closer-look/
Bob,
Have you ever noticed how much warmer Denver is at night than the surrounding rural regions? Sometimes in the winter downtown Denver is 20 degrees warmer, This is because of continuously growing regions of urban heat islands, which raise nighttime temperatures. Even small towns are affected by this. The main factors are pavement and brick, increased humidity from irrigation, snow removal, heating and air conditioning. As a result, the number of record lows is of course reduced. Nolan Doesken the state climatologist attributes most of the warming in Fort Collins to UHI effects.
Hi Bob,
Thanks for commenting here. My thought on that is that the more important finding from your link is that nighttimes have been warming more than daytimes. This is expected from GHG warming whereas your summary could also be explained by albedo changes, warming from the LIA, etc.
That said, your link is completely compatible with the IPCC most likely sensitivity of 3 C/CO2 doubling. It’s also compatible with a net neutral feedback (~1.1 C/doubling) and UHI.
Also, again, why the focus on weather given the comment at the top of your article about weather vs climate? Global average temps have not changed at all during the timespan that article covers.
-Scott
Bob, that is strange. And, Phil Duffy was right, it isn’t straight forward. Clouds…. perhaps…. probably not, because they have a net negative effect on temps, but most alarmist scientists would disagree.
But, seeing that you’re using only NCDC data, I’ll give you some more to chew on and ask our friend Phil how the record of records reconcile with what I’m going to show you.
Go here…. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html.
Set your settings to what I’ve listed below. If the formatting doesn’t hold, I’ve separated each setting with a comma.
Data Type : Mean Temp, First Year to Display : 2000,
Period : Annual, Last Year to Display : 2011,
Location: Contiguous United States, Base Period: Beg yr 2000, End yr 2011,
Output Type: Line Chart* , Plot Trend Line
You should get a graph that looks like this one….http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/ncdcfrom2000.gif
Hi Bob,
Did you check the NY Times? This article basically contradicts everything you say. It even has a picture worth a thousand words (right from Colorado no less).
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/22/us/22snow.html?pagewanted=all
I dunno … if you click on many of those red dots that signify record highs, many of those stations are in rural areas where there is little, if any, heat-islan effect.
I thought the largest recent changes in UHI effects were in rural regions? Switching a nearby road from gravel to asphalt can have a large effect. Or as Steve said, increases in local irrigation can cause UHI-like effects.
-Scott
Indeed, Dr. Spencer has shown where UHI is more significant in going from a population density of zero to 10 than anything else. I’ll try to find the link……..
Bob,
Your question was about ratios of highs to lows. Record highs are expected. There are 1,000 USHCN weather stations and they have a 100 year record. On any given day, each one of these stations has one chance in one hundred of setting a daily record. That means we would expect to see about 10 record highs every day, or 3,650 per year.
UHI actually has its largest relative effect in small towns. Roads and snow removal make a huge difference. The UHI effect of going from zero population to 10,000 is larger than going from 10,000 to a million.
So I guess pretty much the entire south-central U.S., Midwest and Southeast are feeling that heat island effect this summer. That’s quite the phenomenon.
Seventy-seven years ago it was the entire country.
June 1934 ? Whole Country Over 100F
August 7, 1934 ? Two Thirds Of The US Over 100F
Bob, you must be near Dillon. Have at look at the weather staion for Dillon. http://gallery.surfacestations.org/main.php?g2_itemId=77082 (I hope this link works)
Have a look at the nice new black asphalt that someone has set all around it!
Yup, know it well, though I doubt the “new” asphalt affects winter readings. Here’s a ground-level pic of the station, along with some historic info on the records kept there by Denver Water: http://summitcountyvoice.com/2010/02/04/weather-blog-feb-4-snowpack-tracking-below-historic-2002-drought/
Wow, you guys have an answer for everything – thanks!
Bob,
Maybe some here have something to say that is worth listening to. Are you above listening and doing a little critical analysis?
NP!!! Just here to help. 🙂 BTW, here’s a graph that illustrates the temps being logarithmic to population density….. http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/ISH-US-temp-trends-vs-pop-density.jpg
I’m sensing sarcasm, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he was being straightforward. If that’s the case, he has an honestly open mind and isn’t just willing to listen to arguments that support his preconceived notions.
-Scott
I think just the fact that he has engaged here tends to show he’s at least curious as to our perspective. I don’t think we should tell him that we don’t all think alike any time soon…… it may be too much for him to take in.
Bob, hang in there….
Keep asking questions, keep researching
For every climate science “yes”…..there is also a climate science “no”
and ask yourself……
Do you really believe that glorified weathermen have perfected the ‘science’ of climate this far?
Even when you go to the doctor……you get a second opinion….. 😉
Istm that the Natural Resources Conservation Service are suggesting that snow is a natural resource that needs to be conserved.
UHI sanity. It is taking hold and I could not be happier. Many ‘rural’ locations are not anymore. How far is your nearest mall?
30 miles! Over the mountains and past the lake!
USGS study on western snowpack: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/333/6040/332
In western North America, snowpack has declined in recent decades, and further losses are projected through the 21st century. Here, we evaluate the uniqueness of recent declines using snowpack reconstructions from 66 tree-ring chronologies in key runoff-generating areas of the Colorado, Columbia, and Missouri River drainages. Over the past millennium, late 20th century snowpack reductions are almost unprecedented in magnitude across the northern Rocky Mountains and in their north-south synchrony across the cordillera. Both the snowpack declines and their synchrony result from unparalleled springtime warming that is due to positive reinforcement of the anthropogenic warming by decadal variability. The increasing role of warming on large-scale snowpack variability and trends foreshadows fundamental impacts on streamflow and water supplies across the western United States.
That’s a good one Bob! But, as you know, nature is never in a static state. While there are losses in some areas, there are gains in others.
You are an exceptionally fortunate individual! You’ve managed to hit upon things many of us have already discussed. In fact, I’ve written a post about it.
http://suyts.wordpress.com/2011/06/11/too-much-blathering-about-snow-loss/
If you were to go there, you’d see some graphs, they use the same Rutgers data that was used in the graph above. We can see that North America isn’t having a snow problem. There may be one confined to the western U.S., but I doubt it. The graphs total the entire snow extent for each year, and not just winter. In fact, the entire northern hemisphere is increasing in snow extent. Eurasia more so than N.A. Funny isn’t it?……. How global warming only localizes its effects.
Bob, our snow is just fine. We are all just fine. And we’ll be just fine unless the alarmists talk us into doing something drastically stupid.
Best wishes,
James
PS. Bob, I’m impressed that you’d take the time to exchange thoughts and ideas. Kudos.
Bob
You might like to take a look at the following peer reviewed paper looking at UHI effect in South Korea. It states that more than half of the warming since 1955 is due to UHI.
Extrapolate this back to the 1930’s when global temps were warmer than the 1950’s and you will find that an even bigger proportion is UHI.
http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/home/9262-new-paper-urban-heat-island-effect-accounts-for-56-of-warming-in-urban-areas-over-past-55-years?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+climatechangefraud%2FnkcO+%28Climate+Change+Dispatch+news%29&utm_content=Yahoo%21+Mail