I measured the ratio of ice to open water in the region which alarmists have been hysterically describing as an open hole in the ice. Besides the fact that there is no indication of melt, the concentration of the ice in the satellite photo below is actually greater than 90%.
arctic.io – Arctic Terra – (2013/181)
If warm southerly winds did arrive, a mere 10% compaction of the ice would close up all of the interstitial space between the ice flows.
Oh, but, but, there’s water … in the middle of the fricken ocean!
Whooda thunkit?
Oh but my pixels are bigger than your pixels.
Yes, and I have more of them…. 🙂
Just imagine if you will … water, right where it is supposed to be .. in the middle of the ocean! … now we can’t have any of that, can we? Time for a CO2 tax to fix it!
😀
It resembles the hole in the ozone layer – everybody run for my life!
Maybe the Team Twisted rowers should be dropped off there:)
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/cgi-bin/seaice-monitor.cgi
….and you can clearly see the leads caused by the wind
Do you think in 1960 or 1950 or 1940 that people were looking around the Arctic basin with a microscope for little holes in the ice? Of course not. People familiar with the region knew that there were holes in the ice, sometimes right at the North Pole.
Andy, what’s even weirder….there’s someone on this blog that thinks the ice is 15 ft thick against the coast…..because it froze that way
http://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/hycomARC/navo/arcticict_nowcast_anim30d.gif
Latitude:
It is that thick because it is the oldest of the remaining multi-year ice. If you compare the area of 15 foot thick MYI ice to what was normal a couple decades ago, you would learn that a majority of the ice that thick has disappeared. Of course it didn’t melt out in place, do you know where it went?
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/arctic-sea-ice-is-the-same-thickness-as-1940/
Stop it Steve … sheeesh .. get over your FACTS already .. will ya? Your facts are just clouding up the conversation. 😉
if ice starts out 3 ft thick…and wind condenses it to 15 ft thick…you can have four times as much ice in the same area
it’s making more MYI you dimwit…..
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Now your just making sense .. stop it ..
Sometimes big submarines would surface through holes with open water. All you can do is humor those filled with wishful thinking and who imagine that what they see has never ever happened before they saw it. 🙂
But, but, but the models…
http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de:8084/amsr2/arctic_AMSR2_nic.png
Yesterday’s Bremen Sea Ice Map shows that there is a large area of ice north of 85 degrees that is much lower than 90 percent concentration.
The link Latitude posted explains why the concentration has been dropping so quickly, for once I must thank him.
Drool, drool, drool, Reggie Pooh.
and the ice is getting thicker the closer it gets to the coast because high land temps are melting it..
That’s a lead caused from the wind pushing the ice you dimwit…………
It’s July, normally the ice at the coast would be melted and gone by now……..not thicker
Latitude:
There is so much wrong with what you wrote, I don’t know where to start.
The ice on what you mistakenly are calling the coast is never ever expected to melt out, and any suggestion otherwise is ludicrous. Your problem is that you don’t understand the definition of multi-year ice and have no idea how it is created.
It was explained to you earlier today by another blogger, but you appear to be too stubborn to listen.
The ice on what you describe as being on the “coast” is the pathetically small remaining amount of thick MYI, a mere fraction compared to what was there only a couple decades ago.
“…a mere fraction compared to what was there only a couple decades ago.”
So what? Ice melts, big deal.
That’s like saying ‘Denver was colder in February than it is in August’.
Or like saying ‘the sky is brighter at noon than at midnight’.
Rant Chicken Little, rant! 😆
Gator:
The 15 foot ice we are talking about never ever melts until it is flushed down the Fram Straight. It is too cold to melt ice along the top of the CAA and northern Greenland.
Do you really hang out of blogs that are this stupid?
There’s another lead north of Alaska….just like the hole you are whining about
What caused that other lead? and why is the ice thick on both sides of it?
It has to do with your blowtorch…..
MYI is caused by wind…..period
Some info on how Multi-Year Ice becomes 15 ft thick
http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/211_fall2004.web.dir/Mike_Tapp/motion.htm
Ice floe pushed by wind..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fKEKRQF6a10
Multi year ice is not caused by wind, although young multi-year ice may be thickened by wind.
Say the words slowly….multi….year….ice
It is ice that is older….multiple years old
That ice on what you call “the coast” is the oldest ice in the Arctic and is located where ice doesn’t melt.
So the Arctic basin won’t be ice free?
You can only get MYI…when the wind does not blow it out..it’s wind
The ice that I call “the coast” is….for the umteenth time….the entire coast….all the way around the Arctic….where the purple shows it’s 90-100%
A short discussion on the Peril of “Rowing” thru Loose Ice Floes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8Y-W3PK5Sqc
“Reggie, sponsored by Brawndo says:
July 1, 2013 at 9:25 pm
Gator:
The 15 foot ice we are talking about never ever melts until it is flushed down the Fram Straight. It is too cold to melt ice along the top of the CAA and northern Greenland.”
And what does this have to do with…
“…a mere fraction compared to what was there only a couple decades ago.”
You act as if ice never melted before. Count to ten.
There is nothing to see here but a crew of thrill seekers riding the AGW scam for all it is worth! 😆
Melt has nothing to do with all the holes near the north pole and nobody sane is going to suggest otherwise. There was a nasty persistent arctic cyclone (PAC2013) that started in late May and went on until almost the middle of June. This cyclone tore apart the ice around the pole to an extent never before observed.The weakened badly fractured ice is now being blown south and opening wider and wider gaps every day.
Had the ice not been torn up by PAC2013, it would be strong enough to remain intact.
PAC2013 was a double edge sword, it tore up the ice, but it is also partially responsible for the below average temps north of 80.
Then why are you so excited about this comparison…
“…a mere fraction compared to what was there only a couple decades ago.” 😆
Cut back on the acid Reggie. 😉
Come on Gator, you know very well that ice was much thicker back in the last ice age .. get a grip dude…
Thanks squid! You have reminded me of how me and my Neanderthal ancestors pine for the good ole days, when you could walk to Russia. 😉
exactly right…..and that same wind is piling the ice up to the south…
and as Steve pointed out….even those wider gaps are still 90%
http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de:8084/amsr2/arctic_AMSR2_nic.png
correction: greater than 90%
“the concentration of the ice in the satellite photo below is actually greater than 90%.”
Reggie, you remind me of a feminine hygiene product.
Steve:
Rather than name call, why not make it about my science?
Alexa is reporting that your traffic is up 80 percent in the last week. The rowers have been very good to you.
This “science”?
“…a mere fraction compared to what was there only a couple decades ago.”
I bet Brawndo makes for a wonderful douche. 😉
Traffic is up in recent weeks due to a lot of links from skeptic blogs
Why don’t YOU stop with the name calling, Reggie Pooh?
Sorry I wrote that – you obviously don’t have intelligence, integrity, honesty, and absence of HYPOCRISY to stop calling names.
All I can say is that won’t have to bring in my ice auger to drill a hole in the ice to ice fish…wonder if i’ll catch a nuke sub? what kind of bait does one use for that?
Isn’t it odd how Reggie tries to bust on Monckton, yet ignores the bogus claims of CEO Eddie O’Connor, of Mainstream Renewable Power?
It is almost as if truth is completely irrelevant to him. 😉
It’s seems that at long last we’re finally all agreed that the Arctic Ocean isn’t actually “Full of [100%] ice” at the moment.
Since there’s evidently such a spirit of togertheness in here now, does anyone fancy playing “spot the difference”?
http://www.arctic.io/split-zoom/2012-06-29;2013-06-30/0.540388956;0.489183076;7.466896665
JIm, the wind is just making holes in different places…in different years
No one ever said that. Lying is a cardinal sin on this blog.
I take it from your remark that my supposition was incorrect then Steven? What do you make of arctic.io’s split zoom? Do you agree with Latitude, for example?
Jim,
A picture is worth a thousand words and this one tells a million.
Jim, that is a pretty cool little tool. I suggest you get new glasses though. Overall, looks to me like there is more ice today, and especially thicker ice. I am not well versed in the geography so I cannot tell you names of locations, but zooming out a little and panning around it appears to me that there is certainly more ice now then there was in 2012.