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Even PIOMAS is trying to un-paint themselves out of their corner, showing a 15% increase in ice volume over last year.
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Interesting essay on WUWT about Arctic and Antarctic ice:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/22/why-antarctic-sea-ice-is-the-better-climate-change-indicator/
A nice quote:
“As the Pacific Decadal Oscillation and Arctic Oscillation shift to their cool phases and solar activity wanes, natural climate cycles predict that Arctic sea ice should recover within the next 5 to 15 years. Climate models have demonstrated that Arctic sea ice can recover in just a few years after the winds change.7 Allowing for a lag effect as subsurface heat ventilates and thicker multiyear ice begins to accumulate, recovery could be swift. If so, CO2 advocates like Mann and his allies who have based their political and scientific authority on predictions that Arctic Sea Ice will disappear by 2030 will likely suffer embarrassing unprecedented scientific and political repercussions.”
It’s a nice quote but then again wasn’t the other camp forecasting an Arctic free of ice in summer 2013?
Both sides can have predictions pulled out from under their feet, lets see…..
Andy
Uh, oh. That deceleration in ice loss is cause for concern. If it would happen to go above all the levels since 2005, figure out some kind of adjustment we can make to put it back where it should be!
Reblogged this on The Firewall.
Steven it isn’t real “arctic” ice like in the good old pre GLO-BULL warming days … it is slushy, fragile first year ice that will melt like a fart in a wind before Reggie’s “mother of all” blow torches!!
As I recall, Steve predicted PIOMAS would start back pedaling when it became obvious their models were a POS.
To be fair Steve the extent graph always drags a bit behind area and also that source always seem rather high.
Here is area
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.recent.arctic.png
bit of a drop so I expect extent to drop somewhat, but not hugely. Looking at JAXA
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
So still trending down but obviously above past historically low years. If you look at 2011 there you see it was well below at this time of year but the summer weather in August was not conducive for melt, will be interesting to see how this year does against that year which was average and 2007 and 2012 which both had rather unique weather patterns that made it very low, ie 2007 clear skies and southerly winds and 2013 a large disruptive storm that broke apart the thin ice.
I told someone last year I thought extent September average would be 5% more than 2013, still a fair bet I think.
Andy
To be fair, it is going to get much worse for alarmists over the next week
Well lets wait and see, early August is an interesting time for people having the exciting hobby of watching ice melt. 🙂
Personally I am going to Corfu for 2 weeks to escape the heat in the UK.
Andy
Andy what did you mean to post with the 5% more than 2013 … 2012? I guess so given the other 2012 / 2013 switcheroo.
Sorry Stewart I meant 2012, that was an exceptional year, so more extent this year I think.
The ice is so wrotten up there at the moment, apart from off the Canada islands to the NP that it could any way depending on weather.
Andy
Reblogged this on Anthropogenic Global Alarmism and commented:
Flashback 2007:
‘Frightening’ projection for Arctic melt
“The Arctic Ocean could be free of ice in the summer as soon as 2010 or 2015 – something that hasn’t happened for more than a million years, according to a leading polar researcher.”
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=c76d05dd-2864-43b2-a2e3-82e0a8ca05d5&k=53683
I think the propaganda train will continue for a while. They’ve already transitioned into fantasy land, so real data is no longer an impediment to hysteria. They’ll just change the graph. Who’s going to go look? As long as the September mean is a single Manhattan below 1979 the screeching will continue.
This could be the polar bear in the coal mine.