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There is only one thing to say — “Global Weirding”
What’s weird about that, Mr T? 112 degrees in the Phoenix area (today’s forecast) and two feet of hail in Santa Rosa. Just another summer day.
Hardened deniers will find Fact A to be incorrect and a lie put out by some shadowy clique of conspirators… while Fact B is simply proof that there’s nothing at all to the rumor of Global Weirding. They will also find no logical disconnect in half the people here believing that global climate is changing but that’s entirely natural, and the other half believing there’s been no change at all.
Meanwhile the long-term drying of the American West proceeds. And yes, it has happened before, back in the early 1300s. So the logical mind would conclude that there’s nothing we can do.
He thinks it’s dry ice 😉
Heat in Arizona and hail in New Mexico is called a “typical summer day” – you morons.
Steve,
Where EXACTLY does hail happen regularly in NM in summer? I have lived here much of my life and I don’t think I have seen hail more than once a decade and I am thinking that was probably in the fall.
Michael,
The logical mind would also conclude that physics is real and the physical properties of CO2 are such that they absorb IR radiation and re-radiate it out as heat. As a consequence of the extra CO2 we have added to the atmosphere, the Arctic is warming faster than anywhere else on earth and the jet stream is being weakened by the loss of temperature differential between there and the tropics causing unusual weather patterns to develop which, in turn, causes Alaska to be hotter than Oklahoma and 2 feet of hail to fall in Santa Rosa.
Stop being a moron
I grew up in New Mexico and we had big hail storms just about every week in July and August during the 1960s.
The Arctic has been below normal temperatures every day for the last two months.
Get a clue
Another bullshit comment from you because hardly any skeptics denies that CO2 absorbs SOME IR and emit it as IR.
The problom you miserable misleading dishonest warmists that there is a known logarithmic fall off of IR absorption by CO2 and it is nearing ZERO at the 400 ppm level.Here is a chart that provides the visual impact vividly:
http://globalwarmingskeptics.info/thread-188-post-3677.html#pid3677
What you must be thinking of is the POSITIVE feedback conjecture which has yet to show up empirically for that much babbled runaway warming trend which has NEVER happened in the last billion years or so.
There have been a number of published science papers showing empirically the existence of NEGATIVE feedbacks in the climate system.
You are still stuck on stupid
Steve, that’s called cherry picking the data. If you’ve been following the news, the West is currently in a prolonged, extreme heat wave– and in the midst of a long-term drought. They don’t open the news every morning with alarm bells about southwestern hail storms. They are local and anomalous.
Cut the crap. It is always hot in the southwest in the summer.
When I was a student at ASU in 1974, it was over 110 degrees every day from June 12 to June 29.
A hailstorm in Denver in 1992 produced over $1 billion damage.
You are a superstitious fool.
Steve,
What part of NM was that Steve because I can tell you for certain that hail didn’t happen in Albuquerque or Santa Fe during the summers in 60’s.
Steve, if your science were as good as your insults, this would be a respectable blog.
Current temps in the SW are approaching all time highs. Yes, it’s always hot there, even in winter. It’s just a lot hotter than normal right now. A friend living near Yuma is used to temps this time of year being 104, 105. But this past week it’s been 111 to 118.
Please provide experimental, empirical or observational evidence supporting your theory that man-made CO2 (or natural CO2, for that matter) results in any measureable global warming. The fact is, you can’t, and neither can the so-called “consensus” scientists perpetrating the AGW scare. (Note: During the late Ordovician period, Earth was experiencing a major glaciation, despite atmospheric CO2 content that was 10 times the current level.)
The CO2-causes-runaway warming fiction is the product of manipulated general circulation models. The impact of natural factors — for example, cloud cover, solar energy, cosmic rays and ocean oscillations — are simply ignored or minimized in the models. In truth, the purpose of the AGW (aka “climate change”) models is to “prove” a foregone conclusion — i.e. that CO2 causes warming — which requires modelers to torture the data until if finally confesses. That’s not science; it’s climastrology.
Here are the recent temperature data sets the alarmists will not mention:
Werner Brozek
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/05/has-global-warming-stalled-now-includes-january-data/
For RSS the warming is not significant for over 23 years.
For RSS: +0.127 +/-0.134 C/decade at the two sigma level from 1990
For UAH the warming is not significant for over 19 years.
For UAH: 0.146 +/- 0.170 C/decade at the two sigma level from 1994
For Hadcrut3 the warming is not significant for over 19 years.
For Hadcrut3: 0.095 +/- 0.115 C/decade at the two sigma level from 1994
For Hadcrut4 the warming is not significant for over 18 years.
For Hadcrut4: 0.095 +/- 0.110 C/decade at the two sigma level from 1995
For GISS the warming is not significant for over 17 years.
For GISS: 0.111 +/- 0.122 C/decade at the two sigma level from 1996
TOO ignorant make stupid comment that is easily disproved with numerous reports of Hailstorms in Albuquerque and in New Mexico in general:
New Mexico Severe Weather Climatology Page
EXCERPT:
“All 33 counties in New Mexico experience severe thunderstorms producing high winds, large hail, deadly lightning, and heavy rains at some time during the year.”
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/abq/?n=prephazards
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2012:
Damaging hail, flooding slams metro
http://www.krqe.com/dpp/weather/damaging-hail-flooding-slams-metro
Rain, hail, wind plow into Albuquerque
http://www.krqe.com/dpp/weather/rain-hail-wind-plow-into-albuquerque
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2010:
Hail, storms hit Albuquerque
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIQ63OC0xF0
Another Hail Storm In Albuquerque
http://backyard.weatherbug.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2351479%3ABlogPost%3A44881&commentId=2351479%3AComment%3A44915
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2008:
Hail Storm Hits Albuquerque
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-111985
2004:
Recent Hail Storm Takes a Toll on ABQ Rooftops
http://www.abqjournal.com/news/metro/247846metro10-23-04.htm
“Approaching” all time highs? ROFLMAO – temperatures in the southwest this time of year are always “approaching” all-time highs.
Phoenix set their all-tiime high when CO2 was 350 ppm.
TOO ignorant does it again with his misleading comment:
“Current temps in the SW are approaching all time highs. Yes, it’s always hot there, even in winter. It’s just a lot hotter than normal right now. A friend living near Yuma is used to temps this time of year being 104, 105. But this past week it’s been 111 to 118.”
Average HIGH in Yuma AZ for June is 102,July 106,August 105
http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/USAZ0275
That is the AVERAGE high dumbass.There are years where it can be 10 degrees above the average or 10 degrees below average for a few days to a week.It is called WEATHER!
It is not surprising that it can reach 111 degrees in July most years since that is only 5 degrees above the average for July.
tommy,
You listed these hail storms in Albuquerque:
October 23, 2004; October 11, 2008; October 21, 2010; 12 May 2012; 17 Aug 2012
Only one of those happened in summer and I saw nothing for the 1960s.
tommy,
I never wrote a word about Southwest temperatures.
The NOAA thinks it is normal for Hail to fall in New Mexico and has been having them for a long time:
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/abq/?n=prephazards
Tommy, that was me referring to record heat in the Southwest. Not T.O.O.
You’re saying it’s not so? How much more do you know about it than these sources?
Desert southwest experiencing record heat – WLUK Fox 11
http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/weather/desert-southwest-experiencing-record-heat
Record-Setting Heat Wave Spreads Across Southwestern US …
inhabitat.com/record-setting-heat-wave-spreads-across-southwestern-us-grounding-planes/
Record-setting heat wave turns fatal in Southwest – CNN.com
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/30/us/southwest-heat/index.html
I could go on– but you have a search engine too. Look it up.
Salby showed that natural sources of CO2 swamp human sources. His analysis also showed that the annual fluctuations of atmospheric CO2 don’t remotely track human emission patterns, but track very well natural sources. Thirdly his satellite studies demonstrated that the most active sources of Co2 are over central Africa, the Amazon region, and Southeast Asia – in otherwords jungles. Industrial areas don’t even register.
Tooie Poohie -you did NOT SEE any hail in the 1960`s because you had your head FIRMLY UP YOUR RECTUM, as you do NOW. ALL YOU CAN SEE, AND HAVE SEEN, IS YOUR FECAL MATTER. Just look at he crap you dump here – nothing but fecal matter!!!.
Please tone it down. The dialogue is getting out of control.
“…They will also find no logical disconnect in half the people here believing that global climate is changing but that’s entirely natural, and the other half believing there’s been no change at all.” -Michael M.
Actually either of those propositions is less far fetched than the idea that we’re headed for a global thermal Armageddon based on man’s puny CO2 emissions and a cascade speculative positive feedbacks. Not to mention that I’ve never heard any skeptic state that there has not been any change in global climate.
Obviously we’re no longer in an ice-age so obviously that natural change is on-going. However, the idea that anybody but a neurotic warmist would attempt to suggest with a straight face that anybody particularly in North America has experienced some perceptible climate change I find absurd.
T.O.O. You must spend all your time indoors with the drapes closed. I have lived in NM for most of my life and hail is a regular occurrence every summer. Remember the big hailstorm in Socorro just a few years back?
Dave,
I lived overseas from 1992 to 2012 and it was while I was away that I experienced a few hail storms and they were brand new to me. That is why I am so certain that they were not a common occurrence in Albuquerque in the 60’s, 70′ or 80’s. Occasional monsoon rains in August, yes, hail, no.
OT
CSIRO proves that more CO2 is good for the natural environment. So CO2 is plant food after all. Gee whiz. Who knew?
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/extra-carbon-dioxide-boosting-growth-in-desert-plants-csiro/story-e6frgcjx-1226673969712
Andy,
More CO2 also has the beneficial effect of melting ice and making plants burn.
Soot also melts ice. Please show me how co2 burns plants. I think you have been smoking shit.
More Co2 makes plants more drought resistant by reducing the size of their stomata. Co2 is plant fertilizer. Greenhouse growers routinely pump in 1,000 ppm to encourage rapid growth.
Jimbo: Out in the American West, plants certainly do grow in profusion after every rain. And this growth is enhanced by the additional available CO2. But then the rains pass and those new plants dry out.
And burn.
In Colorado we see this every fire season. People in the mountains kind of dread rampant new growth, which adds fuel to the burns.
It was wind in the winter that in a decade of the 1980’s into the 1990’s flush out a lot of the multi year ice out into the Atlantic.That set up the stage for mush easier destruction of one year old ice cover because of the less abundance of multi year ice around to resist the compaction of the thin one year old ice by wind.
T.O.O – the only thing worse than being wrong is being wrong LOUDLY.
CO2 boosts not burns plants. Commercial greenhouses pump 750 to 1000 ppm CO2 into their greenhouses for plant food. Look it up – it’s their standard operating procedure.
Yes, it’s well known that CO2 is plant food. In fact Duke has been running an experiment these past 17 years on how much plant growth is stimulated by high atm CO2.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-02/du-doe020904.php
Some species do very well– loblolly pine and poison ivy, for instance. Others, particularly food species like wheat, not so well. Also, the faster growth is quickly slowed again when it hits the next limit to growth– usually available nitrogen, phosphorus or potassium.
If we humans were suddenly to stop all carbon emissions tomorrow it would take our plant life two centuries to soak up all the excess carbon, so we returned to the levels of the 1950s. So planting trees won’t help us much.
In any event, read the article.
OT
Antarctica- Scientists calculate most of the ice losses from Antarctica are from volcanic activity melting glaciers. Interesting. No CO2 anywhere.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23144184
Andy,
There is not one word about volcanic activity in your link. I am beginning to see why you provide so few citations in your comments.
“The Ghost Lakes are kept in liquid state by heat rising from the rock bed below”… Unless we have aliens under the glaciers that would be volcanic activity. Like Mt Erebus. And Like I said before, you are ocularly challenged. My sympathy and commiserations.
Sorry, Andy, there’s no mention of volcanos in your story. Are you aware that simple pressure has the power to heat rock? That’s why the further down you dig, the hotter the bottom of the hole becomes. And that’s quite a lot of ice compressing the rock. So there are a number of lakes down there. Occasionally one may find a fissure, and squirt out.
Also, there’s only one active volcano in Antarctica, Mount Erebus (plus three nearby dormant ones). You can plot on the map how far this zone is from the lake that emptied. It is currently active, last erupting in January, 2012.
http://www.volcanodiscovery.com/erebus.html
Obviously it refills from a magmatic chamber, which would heat the nearby rock. Go back to the map, and see how far this chamber would be from the just-emptied lake.
Not to say there’s not some undiscovered magma chamber right under that lake. That’s certainly possible. But there’s no evidence of one– and science requires some sort of evidence.
I guess some here have not heard to term Geothermal! I guess some here are not aware that Antarctica has active volcanoes under the ice. The polar region around Iceland and parts of Greenland are also active volcano regions. There are more unknown volcanoes than known volcanoes around the globe,most of those being underwater geothermal activity.
For those that are unaware of Geothermal activity, I will actually provide a link:
http://www.volcanolive.com/geothermal.html
Oh wow, Miked! You provided a link all right– but the link didn’t say a single word about Antarctica.
Here’s a better one. Let’s see what it says:
“Antarctica probably lacks major heat flow sources and large hydrothermal convective systems capable of developing conventional geothermal electric power stations. More heat flow measurements are necessary near active volcanoes such as Mount Erebus and along tectonically active areas such as the Transantarctic Mountains to completely exclude the possibility of hot dry rock resources.”
http://www.agu.org/books/ar/v051/AR051p0117/AR051p0117.shtml
I did notice this in Andy’s story, though:
“At present, Antarctica is losing mass at a rate of 50-100 billion tonnes a year, helping to raise global sea level. This study suggests that a not insignificant fraction of this mass loss could be due to flood events like that seen at Cook SGL.”
And it’s demonstrable that Greenland is honeycombed with subsurface drainage channels that form and empty lakes of meltwater with increasing rapidity. So apparently we have a current situation where the earth is NOT warming– yet the major ice caps are melting and running into the ocean.
Isn’t science wonderful?
Not one mention of CO2 in that story either. Only volcanic activity. Antarctica is volcanically active in case you are ignorant of that fact.
Going by all the charts, Antarctica is still gaining mass regardless their vastly inaccurate “guess” of 50-100bn tons/year. The Arctic has an extent in the 1979-2000 mean. It’s normal, just like glaciers. They’re supposed to calve when compressed with even more snow, but of course SKS doesn’t teach facts.
Olaf, it’s customary to back up one’s opinion with some sort of footnote, when making assertions like “Antarctica is still gaining mass regardless their vastly inaccurate “guess” of 50-100bn tons/year”. Here’s mine:
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/338/6111/1183.abstract
http://www.climate-cryosphere.org/en/events/2012/ISMASS/AntarcticIceSheet.html
There are in fact differences of opinion on this issue– but mostly the assertions of ice mass loss show up on the Watts Up With That site. Coincidence?
To call the readings showing ice mass loss “guesses” does a disservice to the methods employed in deriving those conclusions. So, if you could, show us some non-WUWT observations describing ice mass loss. There may be a strong case you can make. So make it.
Well Andy,
I am thinking that one who is “ocularly challenged” is the one who sees words that aren’t there. There is another explanation but I don’t want to sound unkind.
“Climate science”: the only “science” you can make up as you go along.
Fun for all the family 😉
Michael exposes his profound ignorance about Arizona weather.Here is a fact based temperature data for Phoenix Arizona:
The average HIGH for June is 104,July 106 and back to 104 in August.
http://phoenix.about.com/od/weather/a/averagetemps.htm
Right. It’s usually 104, 106 this time of year. It’s always hot. But today’s forecast for Phoenix is 112.
You may have missed my other comment, above:
“Current temps in the SW are approaching all time highs. Yes, it’s always hot there, even in winter. It’s just a lot hotter than normal right now. A friend living near Yuma is used to temps this time of year being 104, 105. But this past week it’s been 111 to 118.”
And from June 12 to June 29 1974 it was over 110 degrees every day in Phoenix.
Buckeye Arizona has had more than 2,600 days over 110 degrees in the last 100 years.
You might want to learn about Gaussian distributions.
Ha ha ha,just answered it but here you expose your stupidity here since 112 degrees is only 6 degrees above average for July.You simply do not understand that there are a few days every year that will be above average an a few days below average.
In my area the average HIGH for July is 95 degrees but we average over 100 degrees about 9 days for a July,making it at least 5 degrees above average.So far we have had TWO days above 100 and they were 105 and 106 while the CURRENT average at this time of july is about 89 degrees.
You are too easily spooked over a few hotter than average days which happens every year.
I guess you missed the part about “record setting heat”. What does that mean, exactly?
“…temperatures that hit 128 (53 degrees C) this weekend in Death Valley.
“That was the high reported by the National Weather Service on Sunday afternoon. It recorded the same temperature Saturday, after an initial reported reading of 127, according to meteorologist Dan Berc.
“Highs in Las Vegas hit 117 on Sunday. This tied the all-time record for the city, first set in 1942 and tied in 2005, the National Weather Service reported.”
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/30/us/southwest-heat/?hpt=hp_c2
The article goes on to say that Death Valley recorded the highest surface temps anywhere, ever, one hundred years ago. When it was 134 degrees. So 128 twice, I suppose, is no big deal.
ROFLMAO
Next Wednesday will be the 100th anniversary of 134 degrees in Death Valley, the hottest temperature ever recorded on Earth.
Temperatures that week in 1913 were 128 129 134 129 130 131
It has been unusually cool here in N. Texas this week, setting record lows in some areas. By the reasoning applied by michael and other alarmists here, this must mean that the earth is cooling catastrophically, no?
Rob – I believe Amarillo set a record low temp this week.
You should be on the look out for glaciers!
The nutter alarmists are on a rampage today.
A.k.a. “defending the orthodoxy”. Such an otherwise politically suicidal tactic does work so long as nobody places it under hard scrutiny; the tactic collapses like any other ponzi scheme when folks start asking tough questions. Could be our new friend Dave is parroting the talking point invented recently by some enviro-activist group about describing evidence of global warming in folks’ own back yards. It is plausible that it never actually hailed frequently in his back yard, but across town it may have hailed three days in a row without him ever knowing about it.
Oops, not “Dave”, I mean our new no-hail friend “T.O.O”
Looks more like 2 inches than 2 feet. Someone is measuring the depth after the hail is plowed aside or washed into a culvert.
The gods must be angry! Quick! Sacrifice something!!! 😆
I nominate Tooie Poohie and Reggie Pooh, and that other guy…