Obama has been after Zimmerman for over a year, but has no interest in cold blooded killer Aaron Hernandez. The reasons are obvious :
- Zimmerman had a legal gun, Hernandez didn’t. Obama only objects to peasants owning legal guns.
- Zimmerman was defending himself, Hernandez was the aggressor. Obama doesn’t want peasants to be able to defend themselves.
- Hernandez is a thug, and thus is a potential asset to his administration
My discussion on a physicians’ blog about the case:
Me (reliant): “When asked by Roberts whether the case should have gone to trial, Maddy said, ‘I don’t think so.'” http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-juror-murder/storynew?id=19770659
Seems like she looked at the evidence in the case rather than base her opinion on the media narrative before she was sequestered.
6:52 p.m. – Can anyone tell me why this isolated case (a single example of a non-black gun owner shooting a black assaulter) became so “high-profile”?
What made this event news-worthy? Who drove the story? Who benefitted from doing so? Who was hurt by doing so? What was the net benefit or detriment of the entire saga to either family involved, politicians, or the nation as a whole?
Doc #1 (MtnMd7): And she said Zimmerman got away with murder because of how the law is written.
Doc #2 (sebbyz): Nothing like excerpting only what you want to see reliant… The more important thing she said was that she thinks George Zimmerman got away with murder…and she feels she owes an apology to Treyvon Martins parents!!
Me: She had a preconceived notion that shooting someone is murder, but then looked at the evidence and followed the jury instructions. I could see myself apologizing to Martin’s parents were I on the jury, since nothing I could say would bring back their son and the law is what court cases are about – not emotion and righting perceived racial injustices.
Had Martin not assaulted or rushed to attack Zimmerman, and Zimmerman shot Martin, that would be murder. Yes, the way laws are written does matter. “Self-defense” is recognized in all 50 states.
If Martin defenders here were in a similar situation and were being followed by a “creepy ass cracka,” and had four (4) minutes to either call 911 on your cell phone and/or run (or walk) home and/or escape to a neighbor’s house to call for help or other well-lit public area, who of you would instead double back and assault the person you thought was stalking you?
If you object to “stand your ground” laws, that is a different discussion. While part of the jury instructions, the prosecution and defense never used this law in court, nor was it relevant since Zimmerman could not retreat into the sidewalk when supine and a 5′ 11, 158 lb person on top of him and assaulting him.
And if you wish to change “stand your ground” laws and shift the burden of proof to the defensive shooter rather than the perpetrator, consider all the stats (not just this case) and not simply take AG Holder’s word for it that “stand your ground” has created more problems than it solved. In fact, in Florida and other states, blacks have also benefitted from that law (see Roderick Scott case which you people keep ignoring – he was justified shooting Cervini even though Cervini didn’t injure him). Also, http://elmaofiesta.wordpress.com/2013/07/18/sta… If you want to fix it, tell us how – the Tampa Bay Times article brings up some odd quirks about the law, which perhaps have been remedied in different states (their versions of the law differ). Again, I remind you that Zimmerman was in no position to retreat after he was assaulted, and he had every right to get out of his car in his own neighborhood. “We don’t need you to do that” is hardly a firm order and besides was before the confrontation ever began.
Can anyone tell me why this isolated case (a single example of a non-black gun owner shooting a black assaulter) became so “high-profile”?
What made this event news-worthy? Who drove the story? Who benefitted from doing so? Who was hurt by doing so? What was the net benefit or detriment of the entire saga to either family involved, politicians, or the nation as a whole?
Doc #2: Yea…more like, Zimmerman is lucky these rocket scientists ( jury of his peers) did not understand the concept of/instructions for manslaughter…
Doc #1: Well said, Sebbyz.
Me: Or perhaps the jury did understand (and this without knowing that manslaughter carried with it a harsh prison sentence and probable death sentence by other prisoners looking for publicity) and people here do not understand the concept of/instructions for self-defense. At what point in the story did you decide Zimmerman was guilty – last year when the case made national attention, or after seeing the evidence and listening to witness testimony?
Any takers on my prior comment from 6:52 p.m.?
Doc #1: At every possible moment, Reliant, as I have a brain to see that what he did, as a felon, domestic violence perpetrator, perverted child molester etc that he is a BAD player. And what he did was overtly and inherently wrong. But you stand with HIM.
Me: Bait-and-switch, ad hominem attacks, diversionary tactics, personal insults, inability to answer my simple questions – all the hallmarks of those who cannot objectively look at facts of this case nor even similar ones I linked to above.
What are your proposed remedies, and how will it bring justice to anybody in this country and help heal racial divisions? Repeal stand-your-ground in Florida? Other states? Ban all guns? Vigilante killing of Zimmerman or his family members? Redefine self-defense laws?
Doc #1: Hate to say this but Reliant, grow up.
Me: When one doesn’t have an intelligent argument, one resorts to name-calling and personal insults.
All my attempts to engage in a serious discussion of the facts of this case, similar cases, and to have a discussion about healing the racial divide or rejuvenating the inner city economy, or the pros and cons of “stand your ground” or self-defense laws are futile. Holder called us all “cowards.” See what happens when we try to start a discussion? You win the argument. Preserve the status quo. Congrats on your achievement.
Doc #1 and #2 both strongly support everything Obama including Obamacare. Doc #1 criticizes Fox News in almost every thread, irrespective of the topic being discussed.
Sometimes, I’m ashamed of others in my profession. Why do I waste my time?
Wasting your time is a normal reaction as you are attempting to teach others where they are blind. It is a condition I call Mental Myopia! No matter how many years I have tried to cure the problem, maybe one out of a hundred wake up and learn to see.
And they made them Drs! WOW!
The person at the non emergency number asked Z what the other person was doing, that lead Z to exit his vehicle and attempt to locate suspicious individual. after Z said The a’s always get away the operator asks if Z is attempting to follow and states: “We do not need you to do that” Z answers “OK” and starts back toward his vehicle while hanging up the phone. Z was en-route to his vehicle when he was assaulted and knocked to the ground.
Tat is the story I heard from Zimmerman and the police that investigated the case. That is why he was not charged with a crime until after the federal government stepped in. Then it became a show trial.
Why?
Squirrel! Get people’s minds off what Skeeter is doing to the country. They are looking for any diversion. For the other groups pushing the issue, it is a way to get more funding and create larger cults.
The vast, vast majority of doctors are not as ignorant as the “Two Docs”. I wish I knew their names, so I don’t end up in their care. How could they be good at any endeavor?
Doc #1 is an ER attending, doc #2 is a general surgeon. I’m retired Family Practice.
Just wait until their reimbursement is cut, workload increases, and they cannot meet “pay-for-performance” standards that depend on patient compliance with instructions and leading healthier lifestyles.
If Hussein Obama had a son, would he look like Odin Lloyd?