Climate experts (i.e. paid to lie about the climate) say that the Arctic is melting down. In fact, ice is growing at unprecedented rates – having gained nearly one million km² over the past two days.
COI | Centre for Ocean and Ice | Danmarks Meteorologiske Institut
Nobel laureate Al Gore says the Arctic will be ice-free by December 10. Just seven weeks from now.
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm_NQ_gOdSo]
oh this is going to be interesting winter.
an
Looks pretty normal to me but then I’m just a lowly physics grunt at an average college.
The Gore/Mann/Hansen hockey stick needs some heavy taping to repair all of the cracks caused by beating a dead horse.
Joe Bastardi and the others at WeatherBell have been saying for some time that it looks like the Great Lakes and the east are in for tough winter similar to the last one for some time now. I believe them.
Is he talking about Ebola?
Since the arctic sea ice extent metric has failed for the warmists, they will now start claiming that it is the arctic ice **volume** that is in steep decline. And they will produced modeled results showing how this is so. This will be trumpeted even as we shiver through another long, cold winter…
Won’t work. Volume is up even more than extent over the past two years.
Actually Arctic ice volume’s making big advances as well. Jumped to 5-6 year high in thickness as well:
https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Acbfool%20volume&src=typd
I think the wording will be – “with global warming there will be periods of extreme ice and cooling in the Arctic but warming will continue”
Tony, Are the Danish playing with the numbers, too? They have another graph available linked at the same page. A 10-year graph which shows ice extent is approaching a 10-year high.
It seems to me that someone must be adjusting a satellite or something every now and then to skew things. The Antarctic ice has taken a big dip and the same time the arctic takes a big jump and vis-à-vis over time. Is it just my imagination?
Good job! You’ve discovered ‘winter’.
It’s amusing that someone is mentioning Bastardi in a sea ice thread. He’s one of the few who can challenge ‘goddard’ for worst ice forecaster. His 2010 prediction of recovery to at least 5.5 million km^2 arctic ice, which was for 2011, _still_ has not verified. No year, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 now, has had that much ice.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/11/23/joe-bastardis-2011-arctic-sea-ice-prediction/
Ah. So you are in the “ice-free in 2013” camp. Which “forecast” of mine are you referring to?
In the Orwellian world of progressives, right is wrong, and wrong is right.
I’m in my own camp, though of course you can’t cope with there being anything other than yours vs. everybody else, and everybody in that ‘other’ group must be identical.
I notice you can’t cope either with Bastardi’s forecast being laughable.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/02/09/prediction-arctic-ice-will-continue-to-recover-this-summer/ — you and watts predict 5.75 million km^2, observed was 4.9.
More amusing, your call, from August 26 of 2013 for Arctic ice to double the previous year:
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/my-arctic-forecast-doubling-of-arctic-ice-in-2013/
Ice extent September 2013 was 5.38 million km^2. Doubling 2012 would have been 7.26 million km^2. So just shy of 2 million km^2 wrong. For a forecast from 5 days before the start of the month!
So you aren’t aware of the large increase in Arctic sea ice in 2013 over 2012?
The 2013 minimum was nearly double the 2012 minimum, just as I predicted.
Hansen predicted ice-free in 2013. Are you a moron, or just pretending to be?
I’m smart enough to know that 5.38 is not equal to 2 * 3.63. Yep, 5.38 is indeed a large increase over 3.63. Just not double.
It’s also the case that 4 does not equal 2 * 2.5, now that you change your forecast from extent to area, and seem to want to use single day coverage.
Googling around a little shows only you, not Hansen, saying that Hansen says ice free in 2013. Only thing I found which were his actual words was ‘a couple of decades’. And he was saying that in 2010 or so, not 1993. How about you provide a link to Hansen saying ice free in 2013. Almost all hits I get on that are to you, where you never cite a source, or people quoting you.
I use 30% concentration ice, which nearly doubled.
Hansen said ice-free in five years in 2008. You are one obnoxious moron.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1988&dat=20080624&id=7mgiAAAAIBAJ&sjid=7qkFAAAAIBAJ&pg=5563,4123490
You presented those curves to support your claim. They don’t. By your standards, you’re lying and committing fraud. Of course those are standards for other people. You get to change what was forecast after the fact. And to claim that ‘about’ is a forecast, when you’re the one doing so. It was also ‘about’ triple the previous year. And it was ‘about’ equal to the previous year.
But again, the obnoxious moron resides in your mirror. The quote in that article is 5 to 10 years, said in 2008, so any time between 2013 and 2018 would satisfy that. By 2011, well before the 2013, he had revised his guess to a couple of decades. To cite one of your pals:
http://hauntingthelibrary.wordpress.com/2011/01/19/latest-from-james-hansen-north-pole-ice-free-in-a-couple-of-decades/
Bullshit. The map in the original post mapped 30% ice. I almost always use 30% and DMI 30% graphs. Hansen said ice-free in 2013.
You are a world class wanker.
plutarchspam says:
October 30, 2014 at 6:55 pm
You presented those curves to support your claim. They don’t.
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The 30 percent claims do support what Tony stated, both in prediction and in actual gain You are the one who changed the metric used in the prediction.
Besides Hansen’s potential 2013 claim there are many others.. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071212-AP-arctic-melt.html
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/08/11/ice-free-arctic-forecasts/
http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/screenhunter_409-jan-18-21-32.jpg
In the last link you will find the link to Hansen from a 2008 article. Hansen’s prediction will fail for the entire range of it, just like all his predictions.
‘goddard’ — you presented line charts here. And they’re plots of the 15%. Not my fault that you won’t present data relevant to your claims. I notice, too, that you don’t present data for the 30% cutoff either. that ‘nearly’ doubled.
With your 3rd grade playground efforts at name calling, you really should just pull out a mirror.
david: When ‘goddard’ claims that Hansen said ice free arctic in 2013, it really doens’t matter what other people have said. Hansen has to have said it. He didn’t. At most, ‘goddard’s quote shows a claim from 2008 of 2013 to 2018. So that’s one lie from ‘goddard’. A misrepresentation, at best, is to treat that as the last thing Hansen ever said on the subject. As I showed, he’d changed his prediction by early 2011. He learned more and made a better prediction.
I know you all have to hate on Hansen, and anyone else who actually studies climate, but at least hate him for what his actual statements are.
Steven, I’ ve concluded that you are just a lot more accurate than those climate models at predicting Arctic ice. Or just about anything else climatewise.
Not that there is any importance to whether there is ice at the North Pole or not.