17 years of no warming globally is too short to draw any conclusions, but one warm year in one location is proof of global warming.
Both locals and experts blame this year’s scourge on climate change; the past year has been unusually warm, allowing a high number of hornets to survive the winter.
The Chinese city living in fear of giant killer hornets | World news | theguardian.com
Is it too late for this to be included in AR5 ?
Based on all the data it is obvious that the greenhouse roof has many wholes in it.
You start with a false statement, no warming for 17 years. Nuance doesn’t work in headlines but a correct statement would be “the rate of increase has slowed”. The last decade was still warmer than the one before. The heat may have left the air but it is still on the planet and still coming.
Also, you all are always dismissing CO2, I though you might want to see this link. Contrary to what you all assume, I am trying to see where you all are coming from on CO2. Nothing major in this link, but it helps the conversation. I know you don’t like SkepticalScience, but a lot scientist post there so they can’t be avoided. The tone over there is more measured than Real Science, no ranting or raving. The moderator does run a tight ship. You think he is censoring, but it is really about maintaining a standard of decorum that invites sober discussion. Anyway, the link is. http://www.skepticalscience.com/ResidenceTimeEssenhigh.html
Last time I went to church, there was no ranting or raving there either.
400 ppm, and zero warming for 17 years. UHI and station removal easily explain modern temperatures, along with the rebound from the LIA.
Big yawn over at SkS.
How did the heat leave the air? It has to pass through the air to get to the ocean or anywhere else. You cling to doom like a security blanket, nothing is good news to you and you don’t see anything positive. You only look for whatever validates your feelings and dismiss everything else. Warming for the past 17 years is statistically zero, which to an open-minded person would be good but you don’t see that with your blinders, the heat is hiding somewhere just waiting to pounce and we are still doomed in your mind. Honestly, can’t you see how ridiculous that sounds? I know, some scientist said it, scientists whose jobs depend on the heat being somewhere and the ocean is the only place it could “hide.” WHY did it decide to hide at this time? Has it ever hidden before? Does it hide on a schedule? WHY can’t it be measured? So many questions, but the important point is we are doomed…..er…..somehow.
The ocean is the sink for 80 percent of the earths’ atmospheric heat. Measurements show a steady rise in ocean temperature during the so called pause.
“A program called Argo was first proposed at OceanObs 1999 which was a conference organised by international agencies with the aim of creating a coordinated approach to ocean observations. The original Argo prospectus was created by a small group of scientists who described a program that would have a global array of about 3000 floats in place by sometime in 2007.”
The pause has been over 15 years, and not the barely 6 that is the entire history of Argo, and the claimed ocean warming is smaller than the measuring ability of the Argo buoys. The Pacific, which covers more area than all the land mass on Earth combined, has not warmed since 1994.
You are spouting conjecture once again, when confronted with facts. Good parrot! 😆
RSS shows no warming for 17 years. Bzzztttt
The last decade was still warmer than the one before…
Avery, you can say that about every decade going back to around 1850…
…then as you go back from there, it goes the other way
It’s called the LIA and MWP…
Accurate thermometers only came into being in the late 18 hundreds. From 1900 is when the trends upward is mostly seen. And, it jogs along with the amount of CO2 going up as well.
It is what is called a “rebound”, from the LIA. Add in UHI, station removal, and data tampering, and you have a slight warming trend that ended about 17 years ago.
Zzzzzzz …..
The older thermometers were not inaccurate (pre-1870s). Since the boiling point of water and freezing point of water are reasonable calibration constants, they were remarkably accurate.
Laboratory grade calibrations corrected for barometric pressure variations in boiling point and freezing points. Not a significant factor in the historical data.
And the errors (if any) are certainly much smaller than the recent massive upward adjustments to the very recent data.