Without fracking, Obama’s war on coal would be impossible. The large increase in natural gas production have given him cover for shutting down the burning of coal in the US. Prior to the fracking boom, he had to rely on imaginary green energy.
About a year ago he changed tack. He declared natural gas (and thus fracking) to be green, and created a strategy which would move burning of US coal overseas and thus give him a way to pretend that he was reducing CO2 emissions.
There seems to be a bountiful supply of natural gas in the earth. I’m thinking this might be the wave of the future. It burns clean, is cheaper than petroleum and coal, makes CO2 for the plants, and is right here in America. Shut down OPEC, they can’t buy bullets.
My next car will be a methane chevy.
Well, that’ll be ‘the bomb’!
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When you buy that Methane Chevy it would be smart to upgrade your AAA membership to a Double Platinum one.
Obama’s war is possible with or with out it. The supposition that it is impossible without it indicates you think Obama gives a damn about anyone. Power outages worked for Chavez, so why not Obama.
He is worse than most liberals because of his callous disregard for any life.
True. It makes it easier, though, on his “liberal” enablers who like to think of themselves as the ones who care.
Not that it makes much difference. One’s ability to handle permanent cognitive dissonance is a prerequisite to being a “liberal”.
Slight correction – they want OTHERS to think they care. They do not care.
True—keeping up appearances is everything. The price of living in Boulder is having to watch their pathetic ham performances and rituals every day.
But don’t underestimate the depth of “liberal” self-deception. Life here taught me to appreciate the few refreshingly honest hypocrites that know of who they are.
They are an exception.
Socio/psycho paths can’t care … one gets ‘played’ by one to get results though.
a) Sociopaths love mind games
“Everything turns gray when I don’t have at least one mark on the horizon.”
b) Things Sociopaths Do…
“1. THEY CON YOU.
2. THEY CHARM.
3. THEY ARE THOUGHTLESS.
4. THEY ARE IMPULSIVE.
5. THEY DON’T LIKE RULES. ”
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Obama is not a liberal, he is a Progressive. It’s a difference with a great distinction, between being annoying, and being deadly.
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Hitler was a ” Third Way Progressive” It is just that the liberals won’t claim him any more.
Yes, that was also Phil’s point as I understood it.
My comment was about his “liberal” supporters. The annoying ones who somehow always join up with the deadly ones. Because they care.
I am more liberal than those who voted for Skeeter. If you support the Nazi Party, you are in essence a Nazi. Those idiots may think they are liberals, but then they aren’t all that bright to begin with. They are Progressives, no matter what they may call themselves.
Years ago I kept handy a newspaper clipping with a headline:
“Liberal Lawmakers Oppose Liberalized Gun Bill”
I used to draw it whenever some pinko among our Boulder acquaintances tried to call himself a liberal.
It could make the saps grimace as if they had a sudden onset Alzheimer’s.
With caring like that, who needs strychnine?
Not so fast, Phil. They are not the same. Progressivism leads to increases in rat population.
Really? So what does liberalism lead to an increase of? 😉
Bedbugs, feral kids, regulations for step stools, mosquitos, STDs and Chevy Volts.
Can’t argue with that.
It is the actions of liberals and progressives that make them deadly. They can call themselves either one – in the end they are merely tin plated despots.
He is determined to divide the country, along the lines perceived by the radical Left (the core of what I call the Insane Left, which in America is the entire Democratic party, now suborned to radicalism, of the kind those of us not so suborned see as criminal, as in ignoring the Constitution and deliberately lying to the American people about its sworn enemies). The power brokers behind him obviously want to “unleaven” the US, into a poorer, less educated, third-world country of tribal, ethnic, and yes, religious, differences (as short-sighted fools like Obama, and racists or bigots of every color and stripe, have long seen this country). With the ascendancy of dogma over good reason, especially since the “emancipation” of blacks and other minorities in the civil rights legislation of the 1960’s (akin in its early implementation to the early hopes for the “Arab Spring”–the point being that both then and now, the result has been just the opposite of the high hopes they started out with–to wit, increasing tension, hate and violence), science has been dragged along with the entire Left into that radicalism, and ever more outrageous claims of a catastrophe-ridden, “runaway” Nature. I’d say it’s been 2 full generations (from somewhere around 1970-1980) since science was made generally frail by an overwhelming “consensus” to close down all criticisms of the dominant theories (and about 8 generations, since the archetype for this mass perversion, Darwinian or undirected evolution, was born), and it will take at least 2 generations from today to identify, correct and heal all the damage that has been done to science (much less to the health of this country). In short, the threat today is not climate change, but intellectual degeneration, a relapse into tribal and superstitious thinking, that must end, as it ever has, in war. Obama, despite his inept pretensions to intellectual and moral superiority, is really just the first Tribal American President, a cuckoo in the nest of the American eagle, as it were, (and his base, hopelessly miseducated and misinformed by its reliance on false dogma, believes religiously that he represents progress, or “forward thinking”–when, to me, it is obviously just the desire for revenge).
Suspect that President Zero will eventually shut down fracking through some trumped up science from the EPA.
They’ve already promised it.
A statist taking credit for the free market’s successes, who’d’a thunk it?!
I laugh when alarmists talk about “Big Oil funding the deniers”. Just look at what’s happening in the real world, Big Oil is gaining an advantage to the detriment of the coal industry due to global warming alarmism. It wouldn’t shock me at all to find that Big Oil is behind the push for global warming alarmism, particularly government sponsorship.
If you bothered to FOLLOW THE MONEY you would see Big Oil has been behind CAGW from day one. Comment with links
The goal is an 83% reduction in CO2. That dumps the USA back into the 1700s WITHOUT the technical expertise or low population. Comment with links
The ONLY way to reduce CO2 without coast to coast riots is to go nuclear.
The goal was to get rid of cheap coal and the already paid for coal plants.
BP, Enron and Shell were deep into “Green Energy” All it takes to make money by ripping off the tax payer is to be ahead of the curve. Al Gore has already shed his “Green Energy’ stock and bought into gas piplines.
re: Gail Combs June 16, 2014 at 7:32 pm
If you bothered to FOLLOW THE MONEY you would see Big Oil has been behind CAGW from day one.
Doesn’t explain their funding of the (it was gone for awhile) “Greening Earth Society” website, now does it?
http://www.greeningearthsociety.org/
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The oil industry is gaining an advantage due to the improvement of staged frac technology which as Steven said is behind the big increase in natural gas supplies & the big fall in nat gas prices which allows nat gas to displace coal.
The oil industry isn’t behind the CAGW silliness but is capable of playing the game to survive … look at BP especially. But think about it Gail … BP has to live with the uber green euros and so what choice do they really have but to climb on board the greentard express and smear themselves with green washing?
You have no real idea of how the game is played.
A dairy farmer whose family was in the business for generations got out when he realized that just when he got his “New Milking parlor” paid for the USDA would change regulations and he would have to tear down a perfectly good milking parlor and build a new one to meet the new regulations. I heard the same story from a friend who raises chickens. Just about the time he gets his “New USDA approved chicken house” paid for the regulations change and he has to build a new one. Same with the tobacco farmer across the street. The curing shed has to be torn down and a new one built to meet the new regulations.
What we are seeing is this “Economic model” being applied to energy.
This is all the Broken Window Fallacy” economic model and the only winners are the mortgage holders.
The only war the Barbarian is engaged in is the war against the American people.
They first had to take over the teachers colleges, that then enabled them taking over education; the dumbing down of America over decades has been the goal. I saw a post elsewhere that pointed out that since 1950 the number of children in school in America had increased 100%, the number of teachers 250%, and the administrators had increased 700%. A money pit that ill educates the children. If money bought great education, America would have the best educated children.
I remember reading a story in the paper that the people entering teachers colleges had the lowest SAT scores.
I do not know if that is still the case. It was during my tenure in College 40 years ago.
Our public schools are committing one of the worst forms of child abuse, by teaching what to think rather than how to think. It cripples them for life.
Someone I know told me his kids are not allowed to bring home Common Core textbooks.
Anyone else hear this?
Is Accreditation the Enforcer for UNESCO’s Vision of Solidarity?
UNESCO’s first Director, Julian Huxley, was a Fabian Socialist/Eugenist and a founding member of the World Wildlife Fund. His full brother was Aldous Huxley.
John Dewey father of US Progressive education was also a Fabian Socialist.
0bama fixed health care, he fixed the economy, he fixed our Borders, and now he wants to fix the weather.
What could possibly go wrong?
That is why we are in a Fix!
What could POSSIBLY go wrong with a cold-hearted, politically-calculating, inflated-ego, revenge-seeking sociopath or psychopath residing in the top office?
The mind would be boggled to really learn to what extents such a person MIGHT go …
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fracking lying President: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/06/16/Obama-longs-to-break-out-of-White-House-bubble
Well nuts, its 6 pm CT and here comes the half inch climate change hail and the climate change tornado sirens.
The oil industry has never been on-board the AGW bandwagon; but they will take advantage of someone else’s misfortune. Like “coal”.
Exxon was vilified for initially for fighting AGW in the beginning by contributing money to anti AGW groups. I think it was CEI. The greens, and like minded people, (think “stupid, or progressive; same thing”) turned on Exxon and forced them to stop all contributions to all anti AGW organizations. The backlash was so great that they now give much more to AGW groups just to stay out of the shotgun pattern that the media and greens throw out as they protect their beliefs. The other oil companies followed suit.
But oil companies are going to be targeted as well as coal companies because these two industries do not fit into the progressive/green agenda for “sustainability”. Oil companies should be fighting alongside coal to show the idiocy of the AGW hysteria in a show of force.
It may be that they are just too busy defending fracing to get alongside coal and make the good fight.
SMS says:
The oil industry has never been on-board the AGW bandwagon….
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SHEESH,
READ the blasted comment! https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/01/24/a-kook-classic/#comment-333708
Shell Oil and BP were in on the CAGW Hoax from the very start as shown in the Climategate e-mails. An explanation along with the links are in that comment.
Heck BP, Shell Oil and the Rockefeller foundation (Standard oil) provided the start up funding for the Climate Research unit of East Anglia. You DO KNOW who CRU is don’t you?
You do know the Climategate e-mails show Ged Davis, VP Shell oil was a lead author for the IPCC don’t you?
In other words even if you do not know of Ged Davis, he is one of the people shaping YOUR FUTURE.
You know of John H. Loudon too don’t you? Better known as “the Grand Old Man of Shell”, John H. Loudon, a Dutchman, headed Royal Dutch Shell from 1951 to 1965…. He was President of WWF from 1976 to 1981. This is the same WWF whose ‘Grey Literature’ found its way into the IPCC reports as “Science”
How about David Hone? Hone is not only SHELL OIL’S Senior Climate Change Adviser he is also Chairman of the International Emissions Trading Association.
Besides lobbying the UK Parliament to strangle Shale Gas by insisting that CCS be deployed – in which venture he’s succeeded- he and his mentor James Smith. SHELL OIL’S previous UK Chairman took SHELL very deeply into Carbon Trading.
Take your head out of the sand and do a bit of actual research instead of making grand pronouncements AFTER you have been pointed at the facts.
Gail,
Try reading this; http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2006/09/20/7591/exxon-cei/
Maybe you don’t remember the pressure put on Exxon to quit funding CEI. I do. It was relentless and caused other oil companies to change their approach to AGW. Not that they believed in it but they knew that the media would crucify them as “big bad oil companies” just like they always do if they did not embrace AGW in some way.
As for me, I’ve been working for oil companies as an engineer for 36 years , and I been following the AGW for the past 10.
Gail, I would appreciate a less condescending approach in your future comments. If you would have taken the time to search Exxon and CEI, you would have found the information I was referring to.
SMS – try a rational site next time. Linking to TP (it really is what’s for the bathroom) merely shows everyone that you have no argument. If TP had any facts, you could easily source them. But Podesta makes sure that facts do not confuse the faithful.
Phil, the issue with Exxon and CEI was ongoing and extensive in 2006. Just because I referred to a site you do not agree with does not mean that it did not happen. It was the first site I found that confirmed what I was mentioning in my first post. The one Gail got so huffy about. If you want to do a search and use another site, be my guest. There are lots of places to go. But using TP does show how much pressure Exxon was under to stop funding CEI. And that is the argument. The liberals put a lot of pressure on the oil companies to stop funding anti-AGW commentary. Oil companies do not believe any of the AGW crap. They will be the next ones under fire once the liberals are through ruining the coal industry; and they know it. But in the mean time, they will be happy to source fuel for our power plants at the expense of coal. Right now gas is at a price that is not in balance with the energy found in oil. Gas is under valued. When the price for gas does fall back into balance with oil, your electric bill is going to go up big time.
SMS – read my response again. I never said I agree with it or not. I said it was a bad source, period. If there are any facts on it, you can source to the facts instead. However if all you are doing is sourcing to their opinion, then state your own. Unless you only get your opinion from toilet sites.
TP is not a good source for anything. And if you were smart enough, you would know how to source to a reputable site. How many times have you seen me source to an opinion site for facts? How many times have you seen most here source to an opinion site for facts?
RIF – it is not just for children.
re: Gail Combs June 17, 2014 at 12:49 am
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/apr/08/bt-shell-corporates-trillion-tonnes-carbon
Unilever, Shell, BP, and EDF Energy are among 70 leading companies today calling on governments across the globe to step up efforts to tackle climate change.
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Would appreciate seeing the primary docs from Shell, BP et al detailing this ‘call’ for tackling climate change, after all, those are quotes from The Guardian.
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Dang, Word Unimpressed just ate my comment for lunch. Grumble
Ctl-A Ctl-C are your friends.
Then paste the copied text into Notepad via Ctl-V for safe, temporary safe-keeping.
SMS says: @ June 17, 2014 at 2:50 am
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Gail, I would appreciate a less condescending approach in your future comments. If you would have taken the time to search Exxon and CEI, you would have found the information I was referring to…..
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If you would have bothered to LOOK I had ALREADY posted that link @ June 16, 2014 at 7:32 pm
I was responding to your post at June 16, 2014 at 11:56 pm over four hours later.
At this point after over a decade I am getting very sick and tired of the same lies being trotted out, while I and the rest of the producers are told we should be ashamed of ourselves for being sucessful, for creating wealth and we should be happy to live short brutal lives as serfs to under the Progressives Utopian Totalitarian world government.
Here is the comment WordPress ate minus the links (most of which are now defunct anyway):
MAURICE STRONG:
Strong was the Chair of the UN First Earth Summit in 1972 and later the chair at Kyoto.
Excerpts from various articles over the last decade:
“…Ontario Hydro, an industrial concern, headed by Earth Summit secretary general Maurice Strong, which is the biggest source of CO2 emissions in Canada. This corporation is currently selling nuclear reactors to Argentina and Chile….” http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27/061.html
“….Strong had a history as a conman and swindler long before his involvement with Obama, Gore and the Chicago Climate Exchange.Strong has also been caught up in a series of U.N. scandals and conflicts of interest.] not to mentions several insider trading scams such as the AZL Resources Lawsuit, the food for oil scandal, and the Molten Metal Inc. swindle involving Al Gore, tax payer money, lawsuits and a House Committee Investigation.
Strong has always courted power – but not through any shabby election campaign…. Journalist Elaine Dewar, who interviewed Strong, described why he loved the UN. ‘He could raise his own money from whomever he liked, appoint anyone he wanted, control the agenda,’ wrote Dewar. ‘He told me he had more unfettered power than a cabinet minister in Ottawa. He was right: He didn’t have to run for re-election, yet he could profoundly affect lives.’ Strong prefers power extracted from democracies, and kept from unenlightened voters.” ….”
“An …important person whom Strong met at Wild Bill’s home was Noah Monod, then treasurer of the United Nations, who invited Strong to New York, where he introduced him to David Rockefeller. This was the start of a lifelong friendship and business relationship. For the rest of his career, everywhere that Strong went, Rockefeller money was sure to follow.
During an oil glut, Strong quit Dome and formed his own company, MF Strong Management Empire Trust, which was run by McCloy’s friend Brunie, with two representatives on its board from the Rockefellers’ Standard Oil of New Jersey, and one from their former Texaco holding.
Next, through the Canadian head of the YMCA, Harold Rea, Strong got appointed as the new president of the Power Corporation, …. Power Corporation employed and still employs persons who organize the campaigns of those seeking public office.”
As Strong described the advantages of being the president of Power Corporation to Dewar: “We controlled many companies, controlled political budgets. We influenced alot of appointments…. Politicians got to know you and you them.”….”
“…..At age 29, he became president of Power Corporation, he has served as president of energy companies such as Petro-Canada and Ontario Hydro, and on the board of industrial giant Toyota. In 1981 he had moved on to Denver oil promoter AZL Resources
He is a huge political donor, not just in Canada, but in the USA to both the Republican and Democratic parties….”
….Maurice Strong believes – or says that he believes – the world’s ecosystems can be preserved only if the affluent nations of the world can be disciplined into lowering their standard of living. Production and consumption must be curtailed. To bring that about, those nations must submit to rationing, taxation, and political domination by world government. They will probably not do that voluntarily, he says, so they will have to be forced. To accomplish that, it will be necessary to engineer a global monetary crisis which will destroy their economic systems. Then they will have no choice but to accept assistance and control from the UN.
This strategy was revealed in the May, 1990, issue of West magazine, published in Canada. In an article entitled “The Wizard of Baca Grande,” journalist Daniel Wood described his week-long experience at Strong’s private ranch in southern Colorado. This ranch has been visited by such CFR notables as David Rockefeller, Secretary-of-State Henry Kissinger, founder of the World Bank Robert McNamara, and the presidents of such organizations as IBM, Pan Am, and Harvard.
During Wood’s stay at the ranch, the tycoon talked freely about environmentalism and politics. To express his own world view, he said he was planning to write a novel about a group of world leaders who decided to save the planet. As the plot unfolded, it became obvious that it was based on real people and real events. Wood continues the story:
Each year, he explains as background to the telling of the novel’s plot, the World Economic Forum convenes in Davos, Switzerland. Over a thousand CEOs, prime ministers, finance ministers, and leading academics gather in February to attend meetings and set economic agendas for the year ahead. With this as a setting, he then says: “What if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude that the principal risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment. Will they do it?
So, in order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about? “This group of world leaders,” he continues, “form a secret society to bring about an economic collapse. It’s February. They’re all at Davos. These aren’t terrorists. They’re world leaders. They have positioned themselves in the world’s commodity and stock markets. They’ve engineered, using their access to stock exchanges and computers and gold supplies, a panic. Then, they prevent the world’s stock markets from closing. They jam the gears. They hire mercenaries who hold the rest of the world leaders at Davos as hostages. The markets can’t close. The rich countries…” And Strong makes a slight motion with his fingers as if he were flicking a cigarette butt out the window.
I sit there spellbound. This is not any storyteller talking, this is Maurice Strong. He knows these world leaders. He is, in fact, co-chairman of the Council of the World Economic Forum. He sits at the fulcrum of power. He is in a position to do it. (27)
(27) “The Wizard of Baca Grande.” By Daniel Wood, West magazine, May 1990, p. 35.
Maurice Strong, special ambassador to the UN, has publicly stated publicly his belief that China is the economic and ecological future of the world, a sentiment echoed only last week by Prime Minister Martin.
According to the today’s New York Sun, ‘the next chapter in the United Nations crisis may erupt over U.N. investigator Paul Volcker’s membership on the board of one of Canada’s biggest companies, Power Corporation, since a past president of the firm, Canadian tycoon Maurice Strong, is now tied to the oil-for-food scandal.’
The missing facts are: Not only are Volcker and Strong hooked with the ties that bind to Power Corporation Inc., a company under investigation in the oil-for-food scandal, Prime Minister Paul Martin was launched into the business world with Canadian Steamship Lines by Paul Desmarais’s Power Corporation Inc…
Maurice Strong is head of American Water Development Inc. and chairman & CEO of Ontario Hydro The ranch, called Baca, sat on the continent’s largest fresh water aquifer. Strong intended to pipe the water to the desert southwest. “Ontario Hydro teams up with Quebec Hydro & Power Corp. of Canada (Paul Desmarais) and lawyer Brian Mulroney to form Asia Power Corp to develop China’s energy potential.”….
And the rest of the comment.
Remember that date? 1972? Year of the First Earth Summit?
Back to Ged Davis VP of Shell Oil. Ask you self WHY sShell needed a Scenarios writer in 1972. Then remember Pascal Lamy’s statement that the decision to form a world government was made back in the 1930s but they were having problems The reality is that, so far, we have largely failed to articulate a clear and compelling vision of why a new global order matters — and where the world should be headed. So you get Ged Davis who does scenario planning and strategy. I already did the Shell Oil/WWF connections earlier.
SMS says: @ June 17, 2014 at 2:50 am
Gail, I would appreciate a less condescending approach in your future comments….
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Oh, and if you REALLY want condescending….
In my blacker moods I agree with a Geologist, William McClenney, who like me is older with no children and therefore has no dog in this fight.
Think about this:
“Several features of the last interglacial/glacial transition resemble the recent temperature and precipitation trends.
“They are:
, 2000, George Kukla, http://geolines.gli.cas.cz/fileadmin/volumes/volume11/G11-009.pdf
I think william was refering to this article of E.M. Smith’s http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2011/03/03/of-time-and-temperatures/
Me, I am at the point of exasperation where I think I would truly enjoy watching the next glaciation descend. Who knows I might even get to see it.
With luck the next glaciation will kill off the parasites and give a much needed boot to intelligence.