- The new EPA regs will have almost no impact on CO2, because Asians are building new coal fired power plants at a rate which makes puts Obama’s plans in the noise.
- Despite a 10% increase in CO2 since 1996, there has been no warming. There is little or no correlation between rising CO2 and global temperature.
His plans accomplish nothing other than hurting Americans.
Obama’s plan does harm the plants that would have benefited from the added CO2, and all the animals that would have benefited from those plants.
Steven, these are The ABC’s of Climategate:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/CHAOS_and_FEAR_August_1945.pdf
A. On December 12, 1922 Aston gave a PROMISE and a WARNING of FRUITS of the SCIENTIFIC REVOLUTION.
B. Immediately after Hiroshima and Nagasaki were destroyed, CHAOS and TERROR gripped the hearts of world leaders as their TOP SECRET A-BOMB plans became common knowledge.
C. Being human and subject to error, they tried to HIDE THEIR SIN: Selfish use of the powerful source of energy (E) stored as mass (m) in CORES of heavy atoms, some planets, ordinary stars, galaxies and the expanding cosmos!
Climategate emails and documents publicly exposed these omissions in late November 2009.
UNCONDITIONAL FORGIVENESS is the quickest way forward from sixty-nine years (2014 – 1945 = 69 yrs) of public deception, disguised as Standard Models of Consensus Science.
Sorry, but I can’t see how this is relevant to the top post.
Sorry, Obama is but a puppet for the NWO. Their game is up.
We must forgive frightened world leaders and focus on harvest of the scientific revolution: “Powers beyond the dreams of scientific fiction.”
Pleased to find that I’m not the only one who notices.
This registered child rapist’s point is highly relevant to the task of immediately adding crackpot noise to any and all valid skeptical arguments made on this blog, a lot like William Connolley of Wikipedia notoriety is lately frantically adding noise to skeptical blogs now that he can’t trash Wikipedia as easily, or how Nick Stokes and Steven Mosher add lawyerly nitpicking to skeptical blogs to act as very effective trolls. It’s all a big smoke screen, and it’s working wonders to further publicly tarnish skepticism now that historically anti-science activist conservatives have been successfully converted to skepticism.
When I posted a lot on Phys.org there was a whole activist army of Gorebots around, so unless I posted early to set the tone, which I usually did, a dozen truly obnoxious bits of utter nonsense were added from various sock puppet accounts, and these activists were fully aware of Oliver’s bizarre infiltration of skeptical blogs, and used it effectively to tarnish any references I made to those actual blogs. I had to scrub my links mostly, to dig up primary references, since these activists were *right* that skeptical blogs are idiotically sponsoring saboteurs that destroy any credibility they might otherwise earn. Judith Curry and this blog are the remaining few that irresponsibly encourage this sort of sabotage. Any link to this blog were out of the question as Goddard kept posting Holocaust photos each week.
Steve keeps banning my own accounts here, so posting this will likely kill one of my last log on options. He bans me because I speak out against pure folly, including his own, while he defends a man who sodomized all of his daughters and sons and but for the statute of limitations, would be spending life in prison. Tony Watts banned him and his name was removed even from the Sky Dragon book that Tim Ball was regrettably mixed up with, one of the primary means all of skepticism has been destroyed, reputation-wise, being very successfully equated with maverick denial of the classic greenhouse effect, the ultimate smoke screen and straw man strategy of highly organized PR firm tutored climate alarm activism.
Steve Goddard is doing great damage to skepticism by allowing this blog to become a crack(pot) house no different from a landlord who allows his properties to become neighborhood drug dens. Are not interconnected topical blogs online neighborhoods? Hey, Steve, mow the damn grass! Your hurting the property values around here, damn it. No man is an island. You are hurting the hard work of thousands of people and so we much work twice as hard, and thus half as effectively. This is a personal issue for any of us who spend a lot of our free time using the Net to get the word out, and it utterly sucks. It’s not a quirky little nag, but the core of the effort being thwarted.
Your attempts to link my lack of censorship with rape are bizarre and beyond disgusting.
You should seek help. You are a very sick person. You are constantly trying to sabotage this blog, and I am going to ask you politely to go away. Censorship of ideas is for Nazis.
I don’t run background checks on posters, but I do censor hate speech – which you engage in constantly.
The pres isn’t stupid he knows his actions are hurting Americans, as planned.
To make the USA into a vassal state of the United Nations it must become Interdependent (and bankrupt.)
SEE: Mankind at the Turning Point: Interdependence is Totalitarian
That was their goal in 1945, Gail, when they established the United Nations. But these cowards foolishly chose a powerful opponent when they decided to hide the source of energy that:
1. Made our elements
2. Birthed the solar system 5 Ga ago
3. Sustained the origin and evolution of life after 3.5 Ga ago
4. Maintains contact with every atom in the solar system today, a volume of space greater than that of ten billion, billion Earths.
Oliver, you are missing a heck of a lot of history.
The grab for power did not start in 1945. Even Pascal Lamy admitted the decision to put in a world government was made in the 1930s.
The Fabians go back even further to the 1800s. The Fabian window that George Bernard Shaw designed in 1910 as a commemoration of the Fabian Society, shows Shaw and Sidney Webb, co-founders of the Fabians, smashing the world with sledge hammers below the Fabian’s coat of arms, a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Below are the words “REMOULD IT NEARER TO THE HEART’S DESIRE,” a line from Omar Khayyam.
Heck world domination has been a dream for many men going back to the Romans, Genghis Khan, the most successful genetically ( 1 in 200 males today may trace their lineage to Genghis) Not to mention England, France, Spain and the Dutch.
Yes, Gail, I am probably missing a lot of history.
But I know world leaders were seriously afraid they might die in Aug 1945, formed the UN in Oct 1945, started supporting false Standard Models of nuclei and stars in 1946, as George Orwell started writing “1984”
“Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an apparence if solidity to pure wind.”
– George Orwell
Oliver,
In school I hated history (probably because I smelled propaganda.) Now I realize you can not understand what is going on today without looking at history. The elite families in control of this world go back generations and centuries.
Did the dropping of the bombs scare the elite? Probably, but somehow I wouldn’t bet on it. Some of those with power are really really bonkers.
@Gail Combs on June 2, 2014 at 6:57 pm
CHAOS and TERROR over LACK OF CONTROL control of atomic bombs!
On August 6, 1945 Allied leaders thought they alone had atomic bombs.
By the end of August 1945, they knew Japan and the USSR could make atomic bombs, and at least one copy of the plans for making atomic bombs disappeared from government control.
Fifty-seven years later, in 2002, the BBC reported the atomic bomb plans were returned.
Correction:
“Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an apparence of solidity to pure wind.”
– George Orwell
Whither goes America, the world will follow. If you descend into economic and social chaos, so will the rest of us. Australia changed its path to chaos in September 2013.
Europe has started to clean out the totalitarians and recover democracy. America has a chance to do it too in 6 months.
It’s interesting to note that his “plan” won’t kick in till after he’s out of office. Furthermore, if the GOP wins in 2016, the new President can immediately cancel this plan.
What this is is really a bone thrown to Warmists, along with an attempt to deflect to a different subject.
True WT, however, it is a stimulant to campaign more than ever in ’14 and ’16
It may be a blessing in disguise if enough people understand the woes of this added on to the woes of O-care.
Since when did the republicans kill the plans of the democrats and when did the democrats kill the plans of the republicans? The Patriot Act, or maybe the Banker Bailouts? I know how about the
Aldrich PlanFederal Reserve Act.BOTH parties are like members of the same team advancing the ball (The elites agenda) passed the weak defenses put up by the opposite team the
serfsvoters.The UK voters finally figured it out and voted in a bunch of UKIP politicians. Meanwhile the bought and paid for parties are banding together with the bought and paid for media to throw a real hissy fit.
Boy is that ever the truth. When prohibition was killed the bureaucracy just focused on ‘Drugs” instead.
Can’t kick Uncle Ned’s useless nephew out of the only job he has ever kept longer than a month now can we?
The sad thing is that it is all too true.
Government elites are the cancer that is sucking the life out of the economy and slowly debilitating the electorate. Impoverishing lives with each new foolish law, mandate, and agency it creates.
Gail,
Actually, they focused on firearms. Rather than get rid of all of the excess Treasury agents hired to go after illegal distribution of alcohol, they decided they needed them to protect us from the tidal wave of miscreants threatening the country with sawed-off shotguns.
And that is his goal.
W Teach if that is the case its great, no problems. I guess by then most >97% will realize that they were conned anyway…LOL
Eliza, I doubt it. By now, with no warming for 17 years, net increase in sea ice, no cold spot over the tropics, and on and on, people should have already realized it.
But the media has so bought into it that certain scientists control the media and funding for other scientists. Ike had keen insight into what would happen and he was spot on.
The media was BOUGHT period. It was bought in 1915 and it is STILL bought. link
They are not “bought”. They are willing dupes. Think Animal Farm and the sheep. Orwell had them pegged 70 years ago.
Sorry Phil they were BOUGHT. There is nothing to debate about my comment if you bother to do the research you would see that.
The original of my following comment with all the links is at Tallbloke’s
This is just a snippet of what is in my files BTW.
…Here is one of the big players – NBCUniversal – and the interlocking influence.
GE’s stake in CAGW
Now on to control of the media
U.S. Congressional Record February 9, 1917, page 2947
JP Morgan: Our next big media player?
Judge OKs Tribune reorganization plan
Comcast and GE Complete Transaction to Form NBCUniversal
Press Release: Comcast and GE to Create Leading Entertainment Company
Stephen B. Burke is Comcast Corporation President
Then there is GE Chairman and CEO Jeff Immelt. Obama appointed General Electric Chairman and CEO Jeffrey Immelt as chair of the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness. The new council replaces the Economic Recovery Advisory Board.
Change Looks Quite Familiar
Jeff Immelt has made it plan his loyalties are not with the USA.
No Gail, what that proves is that private citizens (with their own agenda) bought them. Not that the government did. My statement stands. (for the US, the UK is another issue).
You forgot who “Owns” the US government. (Also the CIA was inserting their messages in the US newspapers.)
And yes I know it is not technically true but with the Corporate – Government revolving door link it certainly seems like it!
I understand your view of “bankers”, and respect it. I simply disagree with it. Besides, while the “king makers” may think they can tap the next president, the fact remains, the little vermin, whoever he is, can then trap the king makers. Which Obama and others have done. So the “king makers” would be fools to invest so much with no controls on their investment. And king makers do not get to be king makers by being fools.
Gail, you really are Hell bent on demonizing banks. We get it. But using ‘Dick’ Durbin and Salon.com as sources shows your desperation, and gullibility.
Time to retool.
But did they invent the AGW hysteria? If so, you better tell the guys over at The Nation who are practically drooling over the idea of taking big oil (I presume this includes BP) to court. I couldn’t find the article that talks about a 12 trillion dollar transfer, but here are some along similar lines:
http://www.thenation.com/article/180051/big-carbons-big-liability
http://www.thenation.com/article/179980/climate-change-crime-against-humanity
http://www.thenation.com/article/179459/want-stop-climate-change-take-fossil-fuel-industry-court
So which is it – is Big Oil responsible for AGW or is Big Oil responsible for the global warming scam? Or is it both??!! Talk about being in everybody’s crosshairs!
rw,
The guy in the room was in the presidential suite so was talking about the USA and Enron jumping on the bandwagon.
There is so much correlation between the President’s actions and Americans’ hurting that I may start suspecting a cause and effect relationship.
Ty Cobb had a lifetime batting average .366, Babe Ruth .342. Is Obama hitting over .900 out of stupidity?
I’ve known stupid people who got things wrong quite reliably and it was profitable to do the exact opposite. None of them was this good.
“His plans accomplish nothing other than hurting Americans.” That is his goal. DUH!
Another way that shows man made CO2 does nothing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2ROw_cDKwc0
Perhaps others here have seen this before but it was new to me. Basically he shows that the proxy record under estimates CO2, current levels are more or less normal. Mand made CO2 is trivial. Models are overly simplistic and wrong. Accordingly, A 30% cut of CO2 in the USA will do nothing, the math says so.
Murray Salby wrote the book on atmospheric physics, in 1996. Then he wrote a second edition (last year). good read. Unlike alarmtards, Salby actually did his math. His book proves AGW is a lot of hot air, without any actual hot air.
B,
More about Salby:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Murry-Salby-Confused-About-The-Carbon-Cycle.html
http://www.desmogblog.com/2013/07/12/murry-salby-sacked-australian-university–banned-national-science-foundation
Your refs are these trash sites? There is nothing but garbage at these two sites and no one here is fooled. You’re wasting your time.
You are just blaming the messenger rather than challenging the information.
No, the information has been debunked. Trashing the editors is just the fun part.
Try using REAL data and REAL sites. SS does not create data.
I see the National Lampoon of climate blogs has been dumped on us again.
“I’m not a climatologist or a scientist but a self employed cartoonist”
– John Cook, Skeptical Science
http://www.populartechnology.net/2012/03/truth-about-skeptical-science.html?m=1
UNskepticalscience and the Smogblog? Aren’t they Fenton Communication propaganda sites?
In other words, the usual treatment for people who go against the status-quo.
Find some accounting errors and paperwork issues to discredit a person and put together a half-assed response that true believers can point to.
Salby claims CO2 follows temperature, but then posts a recent graph showing CO2 going up while temperature hasn’t. CO2 shouldn’t have gone up in the last 17 years if we are to believe him.
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2013/06/climate-scientist-dr-murry-salby.html
I gather you have no clue what you are talking about. Not surprising.
Historically, according to ice core samples, CO2 has FOLLOWED temperature increases. So at least historically they could not have CAUSED the increase in temperatures. And the lag is also 800 years.
Currently CO2 is going up. So what happened about the 1200s? Hmmm, would that be the MWP?
Shazaam! But of course you do not know that. Your whole world is only 30 years old.
bobmaginnis says:
June 2, 2014 at 8:45 pm
You are a true dumbass.
First you claim that temperatures went up in the 20th century. Okay. Then you claim that now (after a long temperature rise) CO2 is rising without temperatures going up. Then you try to claim that CO2 rise does not follow temperature rise. Do surprise us all & admit you see the hole in your argument.
re: bobm June 2, 2014 at 8:45 pm
I can suggest paying closer attention to the presentation. All of it. Furthermore, I don’t expect to find 100% agreement with anyone, and I don’t here.What was most interesting to me, is that he addressed a question I have long had about ice core data. I’ve got a couple more, but he addressed a big one.
I only wish people would challenge authority on things 1/10 of how they challenge those who question authority. Most of we are fed (on all subjects) relies on it being from authority and would fall apart with mere 10% the effort put towards people who don’t fall in line.
Since those are nothing but opinion pieces by people paid to promote a certain agenda, I’ll assume you have no actual arguments. Nice seeing our resident anti-science idiot still posting tripe though.
bob,
have you ever tried posting a comment at either site which didn’t agree with the opinions of the moderators there?
One method for determining the value to place on a blog or webpage is in seeing how they control the debate. Sites which tightly monitor comment and delete opinions or posting of data which is not in step with what the mods are saying should be discounted, if not avoided completely. If you are going to rely on either of these two as sources of information, don’t waste your time in discussion. Your opinion alrerady has to be locked in.
let me guess – you are a sock puppet. A real person would never use those 2 sites for anything other than derision. They are bereft of facts.
Check that … there is absolutely NO correlation between CO2 and temperature … period
Not true Squid. There is little correlation between RISING Co2 and temperature, but there IS a correlation between the first 20 or 40 or 100 ppm, but after that, very little.
Imagine…we have to double the CO2 from 400 to 800 ppm to raise the temp by the climate sensitivity, which nobody knows but it’s not much. Maybe a degree. And it will take 150 or 200 years to do that so who cares?
Honestly, who cares? What heating we have seen is just plain trivial; and if you consider the constant bias upwards, discount the upward manipulations of the temperature records, there just isn’t much heating. What heating we have seen; it’s probably been all good.
The additional CO2? All good.
http://www.pop.org/content/whos-afraid-of-a-little-co2-much-maligned-1589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e7fKXu4nkg
Jo Nova has a great article on the idiocy of the EPAs new plan.
http://joannenova.com.au/2014/06/obama-tries-to-change-the-weather-by-burning-us-jobs/
“Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an apparence if solidity to pure wind.”
– George Orwell
There is good correlation with rising temp and the area of land under irrigation. If you want to look at a real hockey stick then look at the change in land area under irrigation. The number 1 greenhouse gas is … H2O
But
Never forget
Correlation is not causation!!
SIGHHhhhhh.
Someone else who does not understand the latent heat of vaporization, or albedo. Nor does he understand you get a false correlation when there is a link but no real science behind the correlation.
1. Rise in temperature is linked to the increase in warmth from the Urban heat island effect…. More use of nice cheap energy thanks to modern civilization and technology
2. Increase in the Urban heat island effect is linked to population growth.
3. Increase in population growth is linked to more land under cultivation.
4. More land under cultivation is linked to more irrigation…. More use of nice cheap energy thanks to modern civilization and technology.
But nothing is keeping you and the rest of your leftest buddies from sailing to Africa or Latin America in a wooden boat with cotton sails and taking up a low energy agrarian life style. While you are at it take all the democrats in DC with you including Barack.
OH, and just in case you wondered water vapor IS NOT a hockey stick Graph relative humidity (Temp hasn’t changed for 17 years)
Graph Specific Humidity
And the albedo is NOT a hockey stick Earthshine Graph
This graph is especially interesting since the low level clouds have DECREASED while high and mid level clouds INCREASED. Some how I do not think that connects very well with moisture from irrigation. – Change in cloud cover at different levels Graph
Some more correlations –
http://www.tylervigen.com/
I love that site.
Yea, a friend sent me that site. I have already sprung it on a couple of alarmists.
Yes, I like the ‘logic’ of divorce rates affecting margarine sales…
It’s called greasing the skids. 😉
🙂 Waaaaagggghhhhh 😆
Obama hates the USA. He’s doing everything he can to wreck it. Your worst enemy is your President. Wake up America !
“Despite a 10% increase in CO2 since 1996…”
This is 10% considering a rise from 360ppm to 400ppm (40/400). There is another way to look at it. The total increase from the late 1800’s is 120 ppm. So, a 40ppm since 1996 is a full 1/3 of the total CO2 increase from supposed historical levels. And, we have had that 1/3 of the total increase of the last 140 years in only about the last 20 years. And, what have global temperatures done … they have not budged. Sounds worser this way. BTW, I really like “alarmtards”.
Ock
If the total increase from the late 1800?s is 120 ppm. Then the CO2 in the 1800s was 280 ppm. When I first looked into CO2 levels this a link showed @ 200 pm CO2 trees starved: http://biblioteca.universia.net/ficha.do?id=912067 It now defaults to this link. During the last glaciation Carbon starvation was found in glacial trees recovered from the La Brea tar pits Seems they had to “adjust the data” to fit the ice core narrative.
However this field study shows wheat sucks the CO2 out of the area until a steady state of 300 ppm is reached during the day.
An interesting comment was made by Peter Foster over at WUWT in February.
Not exactly a comment to give you the warm fuzzies.
This is one fact that will certainly not make it into any of the President’s reports or speeches is it?. Nor will any facts that increased atmospheric CO2 would substantially increase yields of plant nutrition. Over 4000 peer-reviewed studies have been performed on over 600 plant species to determine their response to CO2. The results show that adding 300 PPM of CO2 causes substantial increases in crop yields.
Me? I want to see 1000 to 1500 ppm of CO2 just to be on the safe side.
Reblogged this on wwlee4411 and commented:
Do you remember when he made this claim?
But Steve,
You are not taking into account the $96 billion in health savings we are going to get (according to that leading expert agency on human health, the EPA).
Maybe this is how ObamaCare is really going to lower health care costs.
$96 billion? That’s small potatoes. They’re claiming ” $55 billion to $93 billion per
year in 2030.” Here’s the way they get that, and I guess they’re putting value on preventing premature deaths. Not sure what the going rate is for that.
Reducing exposure to particle pollution and ozone in 2030 will avoid a projected
o 2,700 to 6,600 premature deaths
o 140,000 to 150,000 asthma attacks in children
o 340 to 3,300 heart attacks
o 2,700 to 2,800 hospital admissions
o 470,000 to 490,000 missed school and work days
To show what liars these guys are, start putting some numbers on the value of these things and it takes unbelievable amounts of money to get to even $19 billion.
If I value the preventing premature deaths, heart attacks, and hospital admissions at $1 million each, that is only $13 billion. What’s the value of an asthma attack or missed school or work day? If I use $10,000 for each of the asthma attacks and missed work days, it gets to only $19 billion.
I have to use $5 million for each prevented premature death, heart attack, and hospital admission, and $45,000 for each asthma incident and missed school and work day to get to $92.3 billion. This savings is another complete fraud even if they were right about what it would do. They’re using unbelievable values for those savings.
I’m using their “Fact Sheet: By the numbers.”
http://www2.epa.gov/carbon-pollution-standards/clean-power-plan-proposed-rule
The real saving is by killing off old people faster and by denying them health care and tests “Because you are too old” – It already happened to my husband. Doctor wanted to order some cancer tests he would ordinarily order for people Hubby’s age but now he is no longer allowed to do so under the new Obummercare rules.
Gail I think you are 100% correct LOL.BTW C02 lags temprature in all paleontological stuidies ice cores etc. Just heat up a bottle of coke and see what happens, it so basic its pathetic that the people about to kill millions by denying them energyshould know this…
Eliza,
If that bottle of coke is a plastic bottle, stash it in a closet for a year and then try to drink it . YUCK – flatter that Obummer’s chest.
All the CO2 has migrated out through the plastic, yet they want us to believe ice is an impermeable container for CO2. RIIIiiiight!
This president is clearly not able to grasp simple logic. No doubt due to the high intake of “choom” during the early years when the brain functions are forming. He has surrounded himself with like minded (incomplete brain function) comrades that validate his warped view of how the US constitution is to be interpreted.
Oh, Obummer grasps logic all right.
He completely understands that crippling the US economy via “CO2 regulations” will bankrup the USA ====> IMF/World Bank SAPs ====> Civil Unrest ====> removal of the right to own guns and a “New Constitution”
In other words this is the best way to advance a socialist one world government the true goal of the UN, WTO and many of our un-American so called leaders beholden to the international bankers and the transnational corporations.
Boy that was weird. In looking up the whirledbank link, google did everything possible to direct me to a world bank link instead. It used to be if I got close to the spelling it was the first link listed. This time it took five tries to get the link.
Funny:
http://dandygoat.com/obama-using-eco-friendly-presidential-blimp
That is even funnier than the Marx joke!
gator69 says:
…. But using ‘Dick’ Durbin and Salon.com as sources shows your desperation, and gullibility.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
No it shows that a high ranking DemiRat just stuck his foot in his mouth and admitted what everyone and his brother should realize by now. The guys that OWN the US$$ printing press have Congressmen and Senators by the short hairs and twist as needed.
All that dancing around when Ron Paul tried to nail the banks down and find out WHERE our tax payer bailout $$$ where going SHOULD have told every single person in this country that the Banks/FED calls the shots not our supposed government officials.
I mean really, shouldn’t WHERE the $$$$ are going have been part of the bailout deal in the first place? The IRS sure wants a close accounting.
Turns out that when the bankers FINALLY coughed up the info, the $$$ were sent overseas to bailout the European Union…. shades of what Congressman McFadden was griping about and he got assassinated for having the Errr … Chutzpah for opening his mouth.
I am not kidding about the power of the bankers. The Federal Government tangled with them in 1951 … And LOST!
A PRIMER ON MONEY
COMMITTEE ON BANKING AND CURRENCY
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
WRIGHT PATMAN Chairman 1964
REFERENCES:
From the Wall Street Journal: The Federal Reserve’s Covert Bailout of Europe
When is a loan between central banks not a loan? When it is a dollars-for-euros currency swap.
Judicial Watch Sues Federal Reserve for Records Detailing U.S. Taxpayer Bailout of European Banks
The Federal Reserve’s Transcripts: The Greatest Propaganda Coup of Our Time?
Do I hate the banks? Darn right I do. Allowing bankers to print money at will is theft on such a grand scale that it has drained this country of her wealth and may soon bankrupt us.
Gail, the problem is not the banks, it is the government. We have allowed our once controllable government to become an all powerful behemoth. Don’t blame the fox when the farmer fails to put a door on the henhouse.
Next subject please.
How do we get our control back then gator?
For starters, stop blaming the symptoms.
Next topic please.
The banks are the government.
The government hasn’t been controllable for a very long time. The Wilson administration is where control was lost. Not only the fed, but with the direct election of senators and freezing the size of the house there was no longer a way to keep the federal government in check. Both senators and representatives became unaccountable. The districts became too large for people to hold them accountable. The senators were held in check by the state governments that appointed them. With two per state they too were unaccountable due to too many people being ‘represented’ by them.
This USA died in 1913. It’s just taken awhile for most people to notice.
I think you will get along very well with Gail.
Geesh! I can always tell who has never actually worked for a major bank, except maybe as a teller.
The Dodd-Frank Act is one of the most anti-bank pieces of legislation ever known, it cut my department’s profits in half overnight, and then proceeded to torture us with never ending regulation. I watched as career bankers were led out of the building by security guards, an entire division in one morning.
I watched as we hired auditor after auditor trying just to keep up with all the new requirements. Management teams worked late into the night, month in and month out for years trying to keep Uncle Skeeter happy. Each time we had to hire another auditor, another banker lost his or her job. We were no longer able to help our customers and were forced to write off huge accounts that we previously would have kept. Our customers were also adversely effected, and all because Big Brother thought He knew better than the banks.
Dodd-Frank is proof positive that banks are not running this country.
Are there rich banking lobbyists colluding with greedy politicians and making money off legislation? (Duh) Would this be possible if our government were held in check? No.
Money follows power. Place the power in the hands of the people, and you can starve Big Brother. Bad bankers are the symptom, not the disease.
You guys sound like a bunch of OWS whiners.
To the left, regulations cost nothing. So if they do nothing, no harm no foul (and hence why Obama has written so many). But those auditors did not work for free. Your time was not free. All that time and effort to conform cost a lot of money. And banks are not non-profit institutions. So the cost had to come from somewhere.
Hello transaction fees! Hello fees on small accounts!
We citizens of the world from different walks of life are like blind men trying to describe an elephant.
Independently we each convince ourselves the problem is the bankers, the unions, the scientists, ministers, etc.
The root of the problem is FEAR-induced selfishness, self-centeredness in all of us, the survival instinct.
A similar observation can be made about Sarbanes-Oxley and public corporations.
… and bad corporate governance is the symptom, not the cause of the country’s governmental crisis.
a sign for Odumbo: http://photos.denverpost.com/2014/06/02/photos-storms-cause-flooding-in-greeley/#5