People’s Climate March, NYC Sept. 21
The climate change struggle, and related environmental struggles, have become more important over the last few years, and will become even more so as climate change exacerbates storms, forest fires, water stresses, fishery collapses, and other environmental problems.
People around the world, and right here in our country, increasingly feel the effects of climate change. Hundred-year storms and droughts now occur almost every year. The entire state of California is suffering from prolonged drought. Funds to fight fires are running out due to the increasing number and intensity of forest fires especially in the West.
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love to when can I join up LOL
There are 1000 organizations in the People’s Climate March, NYC Sept. 21, I’m sure you can find another group if you don’t want to march with the commies.
It’s the Popular Front!
Bob,
All you are telling us is that the Commies (KGB) have infiltrated 1000 other organizations not that that comes as a surprise after the April 1994 article in the WSJ stated papers in the Kremlin showed ‘grassroots’ organizations here in the USA were not only funded by the KGB but LEAD by the KGB.
From the book Willing Accomplices: How KGB Covert Influence Agents Created Political Correctness and Destroyed America by Kent Clizbe
Gail, the commies wouldn’t do the People’s Climate March on their own, but will tag along to try to advance their party on the hard work of many other folks who have no interest in communism. BTW, if there is any vandalism during the march, I will assume it will be the work of goon hired by the Kochs etc, to discredit the marchers.
Why in the world does anyone volunteer such a damning thing about the state of his mind?
“BTW, if there is any vandalism during the march, I will assume it will be the work of goon hired by the Kochs etc, to discredit the marchers.”
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Bob, you appear to be on one of the higher levels of kool-aid, “progress”ing through all the colors. Watch out for the final one–purple.
‘I will assume it will be the work of goon hired by the Kochs etc, to discredit the marchers.’
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The ‘Goons’ are hired by the government who wants to advance totalitarianism. The Koch’s brothers are Objectivists or at least Libertarians so I am afraid you have, your logic donkey backwards.
You really do need to stop getting your opinions from the bankster owned MSM.
Geran and Gail, during the 1999 WTO Seattle protests
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Seattle_WTO_protests
there were vandalizing provocateurs, who when exposed by the peaceful marchers, retreated to the safety of the police lines. The police didn’t try to stop the window smashers, and the vandalism made the news more than the efforts of thousands of peaceful protesters.
BTW, I would assume you are against our giving up our sovereignty to a World Trade Organization, but wouldn’t likely march because there were commies and hippies?
Anyway, I suspect there will be some vandal provocateurs in the next march.
Bob,
It depends on the issue.
On some issues I have sided with the “hippies” I generally buy local/organic if I can and one of our favorite restaurants is so red/green it would give a lot of folks here hives just to walk passed it.
I try to focus on the guys pulling the strings. I suggest you read “Evil Socialism” vs “Evil Capitalism”
I am not a Republican I am an INDEPENDENT.
bobmaginnis,
I should also note that I differentiate between the Useful Idiots like my friend Dave, a member of the Communist party that spent all of his spare time at The Boston Food Bank helping get food to the poor and homeless. This of course is the face COmmunist try to portray.
But there is another face typified by an old dance partner from Cambridge who stated, “When we take over, We will kill people like you”
He is the variety of Communist Dr. R.J. Rummel speaks of when he talks of Democide: Death by Government. The type of Communist who would have no trouble with a government who ” tortured, beat to death, hung, shot, buried alive, burned, starved to death, stabbed, chopped into pieces, and murdered in all the other ways creative and imaginative human beings can devise, men, women, and children by the tens of millions” A person who would no doubt cheerfully join in slaughtering innocents whose only crime was not being sheeple and trying to protect what is theirs. Until of course he found himself on the wrong end of the gun or knife or rope.
Bob says: “Geran and Gail, during the 1999 WTO Seattle protests…”
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Bob, you appear to be very good at “cherry-picking” your protests. Most Libs are also very good at “cherry-picking” the temperature data.
Kinda tells us something about “belief systems”, huh?
They’re all 1000 “organizations” pretty much commies in my book. The agenda of the commies only diverges from that of the warmists’ in superficial ways.
So economic and political equality for the masses have been achieved already? Those two excuses were the communist party’s reason for existing–economic and political equality. Prematurely adding tasks without increasing resources (aka “mission creep”) guarantees mission failure. Of course if ‘the people’ have equal political and economic clout vis a vis the elites, then there’s little reason for the communist party to keep fighting for the establishment of political and economic equality–and communist can renounce communism and join the green parties.
Am I guilty of applying logic where logic doesn’t apply–again?
Boulder Progressives can’t make the date. On September 21 they’ll be busy with the liquidation of local kulaks and the collectivization of their farms in the People’s Republic.
The problem with a collective is that someone has to run it. If someone has to run it then there can’t be political equality. And since a collective means political power over the economy there can’t be economic equality either.
Karl Marx was actually talking about economic & political equality = SERFDOM, a return to feudalism mapped out today as Agenda 21.
au1corsair says:
September 13, 2014 at 8:22 pm
“Prematurely adding tasks without increasing resources (aka “mission creep”) guarantees mission failure. ”
No. All war is decption. What the CP does is standard Cultural Marxism warfare as planned by Markuse, Horkheimer, Adorno (Frankfurt School). Exploit Ersatz grievance groups in the absence of proletarians (industrial workers) as cannon fodder for the revolution.
This -warmism- of course looks like a nonstarter; feminism and LGBT are much more successful in destroying the host culture.
And the eviro-movement is showing it’s true colors, red.
So Theodore Roosevelt, a leader in the Republican party, naturalist, the first president to speak out on conservation, and who greatly expanded the system of national parks and national forests — was red?
And Richard Nixon, who was the President when the EPA was created — was red?
Sorry, but the environment is like Jesus. People always try to hitch their political agendas to something that is of itself good.
Conservationism and modern environmentalism are not the same thing. If you disagree, I’d be happy to engage in a discussion. We don’t need to discuss the political opportunism of common scoundrels—we agree completely on that.
Roosevelt was a “progressive” anti-capitalist, anti-consumerist who longed for empire. Look it up; lots of books out there now. He also thought the “inferior races” should be taken care of (controlled) by the whites. Sorta like now.
Thanks, now I won’t have to point that out.
Republican =/= NOT a Comunist, progressive socialist.
That is why we call a lot of them RINOs
Most “environmentalists” are pasty faced city slicker tools of the collectivists. If they actually spent a whole lot of time outdoors they would be a whole lot more skeptical of the trash that their buying in to. Now most conversationalists are people like farmers and woodsmen and others that actually make their living outdoors in concert with nature or are responsible outdoors sportsmen/ women that have spent a fair amount of time in the wilderness.
Environmentalism is a movement with the common objective of more government power. Conservationism is a way of life with the object of preserving the wilds while allowing for their controlled and common sense use for enjoyment the citizens.
I am proud to call my self a conservationist that despises most environmentalists.
And as for Teddy Roosevelt my take is a little different from James. Roosevelt while believing strongly in the Monroe doctrine was not a proponent of American colonialism. And though there were things I do not agree with him on, his conversationalist activities is certainly not one of them. He lived in the days of the Robber barons that would rape the land and anything else for profit. He, unlike most “environmentalists” most certainly lived the outdoor life from the untamed west to Africa to the Amazon he traveled wide to see the natural world and appreciated it as any great hunter does.
No less a bastion of Fascism and other Right Wing Nuts than the New York Times recently had an article called “Mommas Don’t Let Your Children Grow to Be Farmers.
The truth behind the title is that the median farm income is almost a big fat MINUS $2,000. These people mostly represent make-believe farmers who are mostly into tax dodging behaviors. The “Locavore, Organic, and gentleman farmer movements are the worst offenders in this respect.
At some point the wealthy robber baron so-called elite started using conservation. Donating vast lands to the government and thus the taxpayer ended up with the expense of managing it. However any time there’s a desire to strip government land of resources government seems to allow some crony corporation or another to do so.
Repbublican is only a name…not all of them are ‘good’, just like not all Democrats are ‘bad’. It’s what each individual stands for that matters…and in today’s terms, Teddy was about as liberal…ummm….’Progressive’ as they come.
As to Nixon and the EPA…didn’t have much choice there. Even if he didn’t do it with an executive order, there were enough votes in Congress to do ‘something’ similar…and that would have been outside his (Nixon’s) control. The leading Congressional ‘environment’ folks were Democrats…so it was pretty much thought that if left to Congress, it would be something controlled by that party (ended up that way, anyway…hasn’t it?).
Environmentalism is a bunch of city folks without a clue and a bunch of misplaced guilt, ruled by a group of anti-humans who think the worst thing on the planet is the rest of their species, who think they should be king.
Protecting our environment is priceless. What is being “hitched to” is a unproven bit of science. The upshot of which, if the science were true, would mean a level of control over the basic productivity and well being of large populations.
“Protecting our environment is priceless. ”
So you propose to throw ever increasing amounts of money at ever diminishing returns, e.g. in filtering pollutants. IOW, ALL resources must be expended and if the effect is unmeasurable.
Are you a member of the CP? Because it sounds like you propose the destruction of the American society.
I think it’s cliché English rather than CP sympathy but the comrades are using clichés to their ends so effectively it crops up all over the place. Most people don’t do logic well.
It is in the same fallacious category as:
“If it only saves one life it’s worth it.”
http://twitchy.com/2013/01/15/obama-if-gun-control-saves-one-child-its-worth-it-conservatives-shred-his-logic
Putting the environment ahead of humans is . . inhumane. The world is for us all, rich and poor alike, why should the rich be able to place large parts of the Earth out of bounds to ordinary folk. Rich people who just want a pristine place, empty of people, to walk around and enjoy the sunset in?
Environmentalism is the ultimate bourgois pursuit whose protagonists have got all they need and wish to deny it to the rest of us. Comrade.
No, he was a Progressive which, in my book, is worse than an out-n-out Communist. At least the Communist is somewhat up front about what he wants, Progressives destroy and control by dishonesty.
I’d join, but I don’t think they would accept my Ludwig von Mises tattoo.
Darn it now I have to clean my monitor again…
Thanks for the Mises link BTW Gail. Very interesting indeed.
You are welcome.
Many of us can identify problems but few can come up with workable solutions. Gary North (Mises on Money) does a great service by making Mises and his ideas accessible to those with limited interest and time. Gary North has a lot of great stuff in his own right too. Here is an interesting one. link
I know that once I figured out the government was lying to me the scales fell from my eyes and I started questioning all the stuff I had previously taken as gospel. I started digging trying to figure out who, why, when… This maybe the biggest threat of the CAGW scam to the elite.
TGFTI (Thank goodness for the internet)
I’m all for climate justice. Why should Arizona and Florida get all the winter heat?
After last winter, I’m marching for climate zone equality.
In the late 70s or early 80s Frankfurt children—most of them red diaper babies—marched one year against the unusually rainy summer weather. Their radical Green parents thought it was a hoot.
The Great Lakes and all of the Midwest are weather, but California is climate
When it ‘supports’ the CAGW meme, it’s climate…otherwise, it’s just weather.
Why bother to join the Commies when you can just be a modern day Democrat. The Democrat platform is no different than the 1930’s platform of the USA Communist party.
Actually the 1930’s Communist and Wobblies (WWI) were more right wing than todays moderate Democrat Party.
Tell me more about how China and the Soviet Union have pristine environmental track records.
It would be a mistake to call today’s China and USSR communist. Even though the Chinese ruling party still insists on keeping the name.
Ah blech, today’s Russia.
Now more fascist than communist. They have been listening to Anthony Giddens of the LSE about “the Third Way” (the newest name for fascism) as well as their good buddies, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Maurice Strong and Tony Blair.
“Hundred-year storms and droughts now occur almost every year.”
Lies, lies, anymore lies. This is simply propaganda.
“The entire state of California is suffering from prolonged drought.”
California has a problem. That region spends 400 out of 500 years in drought. They just had their 100 years of wet, now it’s dry time. This has nothing to do with global warming, but more like the larger climate swings evident with the Medieval Warm Period, the Little Ice Age, and the Modern Warm Period.
All California has to do, instead of whinging and whining like a two year old, is build 3 or 4 Nuclear plants along the coast with attached desalinization plants.
Israel can give them the plans.
Desalinization plants? Are you insane!!! We have a high speed train to construct that will go from California’s two bastions of culture, Bakersfield and Stockton to the delight of bureaucrats everywhere! The Moonbeam is shining brightly these days in California. 🙂
My wife is an ex-Californian…and crap like that is one of the primary reasons she and her family left that cesspool of insanity.
A friend’s ex-wife is a Californian. You and he have dodged it, just differently.
Nukes and other complexity not needed.
http://www.businessinsider.com/lockheed-martin-desalination-graphene-filters-2013-3
They, (we, I live here) unfortunately took San Onofre off line, for no good reason either.
Solutions! We don need no steenkin solutions, we need white guilt and to smash capitalism.
Hurricanes, tornadoes and wildfires have largely been missing in action by historical standards. Drought restircted to an unusually small area. Record corn and soybean crops. An argument can be made that in terms of weather in the US, we never had it so good!
Like watermelons:
Green on the outside; Red inside.
Stalin knew how to control science in the old USSR via lock-step consensus science. That technique was applied worldwide after the UN was formed on 24 Oct 1945.
To hide the source of energy in cores of heavy atoms and stars, in 1946 the Sun’s internal composition suddenly changed from
1. Mostly iron (Fe) in 1945 to
2. Mostly hydrogen (H) in 1946
Textbooks of nuclear physics replaced
1. Aston’s valid nuclear packing fraction in textbooks before 1946 with
2. von Weizsacker’s deceptive nuclear binding energy equation in textbooks after 1946
Here is documentation of abrupt and false changes in the foundations of astronomy, astrophysics, cosmology and nuclear physics after the UN was formed at the end of WWII:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/Solar_Energy.pdf
It’s hard to believe these losers are still around but I would encourage them to move to N Korea, Venezuela, China, or Russia so they could “live their dream.”
“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” ~ Albert Einstein
“The statistics on insanity are that one out of every four people is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they’re okay, then it’s got to be you.” ~ Rita Mae Brown
Rita’s funny but wrong. Sane people tend to form networks; same with the insane.
Too true.
I was noting the one in four part of the comment and given over 40% of the US electorate is now ‘Progressive’ thinking we need to up that number to 1 in 2….
Insane networks are bad enough; physical clusters are worse.
Sane clusters are the best—the insane avoid them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb1VldFpRG8
Reblogged this on Climate Ponderings.
Toldya so. It’s no coincidence the “global warming” boogeyman was cooked up as the Soviet empire was undergoing perestroika and collapse, ca. 1990. The global gov’t hopesters needed a new “enemy” to scare us with. Communists and warmers, unite.
It was cooked up in 1968 by the Club of Rome and went public in 1972 in their book entitled The Limits to Growth and at the 1972 UN First Earth Summit by chaired by Club Member Maurice Strong.
Note this was BEFORE the ice age scare and the 1974 CIA report
Elaine Dewar wrote in Toronto’s Saturday Night magazine about the 1972 Earth Summit:
The Club of Rome was founded in 1968 at David Rockefeller’s estate in Bellagio, Italy. The Club of Rome describes itself as “a group of world citizens, sharing a common concern for the future of humanity.” consisting of UN bureaucrats, high-level politicians and government officials, scientists, economists, and business leaders from around the globe.
The Club of Rome claims that “we are facing an imminent catastrophic ecological collapse” and “our only hope is to transform humanity into a global interdependent sustainable society, based on respect and reverence for the Earth.” If that sounds like Global Warming and Agenda 21 it is. The recommendations of the Club of Rome have been adopted as official UN and government policy around the world.
link
As Dr. Tim Ball pointed out Overpopulation [is] The Fallacy Behind The Fallacy Of Global Warming and as E.M. Smith pointed out There Is No Shortage of Stuff. Mankind does not destroy matter he only transforms it into useful things.
I think I have seen this before, but it was TV fiction.
http://youtu.be/WZEJ4OJTgg8
The mention of “increasing number and intensity of forest fires” is laughable being way off the average for the last ten years.
http://www.nifc.gov/fireInfo/nfn.htm
10 year average to date: Fires: 57,638 Acres: 6,449,261
2014 up to 9-12-2014. .: Fires: 39,323 Acres: 2,824,933
A thousand people in the street,
Singin’ songs and carryin’ signs,
Mostly sayin’ hurray for our side…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY
And what precisely is the point of this march?
Fires? Down.
Temperature? Flat to down.
Extreme weather? Mild.
Drought? The west is dry, don’t like it dry move to Seattle or the upper midwest or Louisiana or…
And what precisely, would these marchers do about the weather anyway?
“And what precisely is the point of this march? ”
Trying to destabilize the host society (further) by forcing it to expend resources on non problems.
“And what precisely is the point of this march? ”
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The point of the march is to show brain dead humans are ready and willing to accept their Serf’s Collars from their elite masters.
Thanks to Climategate and the internet, the public questions the validity of both government “science” and the Federal “reserve”:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/Solar_Energy.pdf
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/13/ron-pauls-audit-fed-bill-returns-congress/
Consensus science lies started in 1946, “In the beginning, all was hydrogen . . .”
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140911163941.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28Latest+Science+News+–+ScienceDaily%29
Unknown to the public, Stalin’s forces captured Japan’s atomic bomb plant at Konan, Korea in late August 1945.
Stalin used his good fortune to insist that world leaders form the United Nations on 24 Oct 1945.
Government science was transformed into a propaganda campaign in 1946, beginning with two government-funded falsehoods:
1. Neutrons attract other neutrons
2. Hydrogen-fusion powers stars
Nine pages of precise experimental data expose those sixty-eight year old falsehoods [1]:
1. “Solar energy,” Advances in Astronomy (submitted 1 Sept 2014) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/Solar_Energy.pdf
(Steve, my last comments seemed to disappear. I edited each, as they did not seem to go thru. If they all get thru, you get to do the editing!)
thanks!
Thank you, Steven, for pointing out that Communism is, and always has been, a strong supporter of lock-step, consensus science.
That explains the sudden, abrupt adoption of false, lock-step Standard Models of
1. Stars and
2. Heavy nuclei
Within a few months of the time the United Nations was formed on 24 Oct 1945 – only a few weeks after Stalin’s troops captured Japan’s atomic bomb plant at Konan, Korea in late August 1945 and Stalin emerged victorious from the ashes of WWII to expand Communism worldwide.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/Solar_Energy.pdf
Noooo warmists aren’t at all communistic…
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/16/Ten-things-you-need-to-know-about-Watermelon-Naomi-Klein-as-she-launches-her-new-book
“Capitalism vs. the Climate”
The corruption of government science with lock-step consensus models was closely linked with the rise of communism worldwide after 1945:
http://wchildblog.com/2014/09/16/atlas-shrugged-now-non-fiction/
Ann Rand was a Russian woman who came to the West and recognized the unfolding of George Orwell’s prediction in “Nineteen Eighty-Four.”
Just saw Atlas Shrugged part III and yeah, now in non-fiction.
The scene where the leaders decide not to send railcars to collect wheat was a bit to close to a comment made at IceAgeNow, that there is a three month coal shortage for electrical generation in Minnesota(?) because the engines are hauling oil out of Dakota instead.
There is no doubt the system is broken. Government science became a tool of government propaganda sixty-nine years ago in late August 1945 after Stalin’s forces captured Japan’s atomic bomb plant at Konan, Korea.
Frightened world leaders tried to save themselves and the world from nuclear annihilation by
1. Forming the UN on 24 Oct 1945, and
2. Forbidding public knowledge of energy in cores of heavy atoms and stars in 1946.
My entire research career has been devoted to exposing the deceit. You can help by giving this manuscript the widest possible circulation.
Oliver K. Manuel, “Solar energy,” Advances in Astronomy (submitted 1 Sept 2014) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/Solar_Energy.pdf