Another Smoking Gun Of Incompetence By Climate Scientists

In 1940 scientists reported 10 degrees Arctic warming, and a reduction in polar ice thickness.

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23 Feb 1940 – THE NORTH POLE. Is it Getting Warmer. | BUNDABER…

In 2000, climate scientists a similar warming and ice loss, indicating that Arctic climate is cyclical.

August 29, 2000

The end of the cold war, for instance, has brought to light important sonar measurements of Arctic ice collected by United States Navy submarines. They are being analyzed by Dr. Drew Rothrock at the Applied Physics Laboratory of the University of Washington in Seattle. By comparing measurements of ice thickness between 1958 and 1976 with data from 1993 and 1997, he determined that the thickness had decreased from 10.2 feet in the early period to 5.9 feet in the 1990’s.

In reporting that parts of Alaska and northern Eurasia had warmed by nearly 11 degrees in winter months the past 30 years, Dr. Serreze observed, ”We have climate evidence from the past four centuries gleaned from ice cores, lake cores and tree rings that don’t show nearly as dramatic warming, putting the modern record into context

Open Water at Pole Is Not Surprising, Experts Say –

PIOMAS conservatively reports 5.6 feet in 2012 and 6.2 feet in 2015. The Navy reports much greater thicknesses.

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Plotting the data out, what becomes clear is that the Arctic is cyclical.

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This cooling and increase in ice was reported by scientists at the time

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16 May 1974 – LIFE STYLE TAKING POINT Disappearance revives lo…

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National Academy Of Sciences  Science News

So how did NASA deal with this cyclical behavior and post 1940’s cooling? They simply made it disappear.


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17 Responses to Another Smoking Gun Of Incompetence By Climate Scientists

  1. dave andrews says:

    But everybody knows there are only straight lines in climate science now because of CO2. Temps up. Ice down. Get with the program.

  2. William Bill Fish says:

    Hi Steve
    Hmmm…the temp was cooling in the 70’s and now it’s warming and your “different point of view” is that it is cyclic and will cool again soon…correct? What was the atmospheric concentration of CO2 in the mid-70’s? You are thinking like the climatologists in the 70’s, they were wrong i.e. they said an ice age is immanent. Here’s your cooling myths debunked by real scientists! just one more

    Your cyclic argument is wrong as the articles state, aerosols cause cooling and 1940 to 1970 humans added megatonnes of aerosols to the atmosphere and in 70’s man realized they were harmful and started to remove them i.e. sulphates from gasoline etc. Aerosols have been decreasing and the temp has been warming due to the increased in CO2.

    Ice samples from the Antarctic show, when CO2 levels rise temp rises. Temperature increase were caused by maximum CO2 concentrations in the 380’s ppm. For the most part CO2 was produced by volcanoes. God’s volcanoes emit a range of .13 to .44 gigatonnes of CO2 today and man emits 35 gigatonnes of CO2 annually and the atmospheric concentration is 400+ ppm. We are adding 34.56 to 34.87 gigatonnes more than god. God’s max atmospheric concentration of CO2 (ACC) was in the 380’s ppm. Man’s CO2 plus god’s CO2 is in the range 35.13 to 35.44 gigatonnes of CO2 Note a gigatonne = 1 billion metric tonnes Total CO2 added is 35.13 to 35.44 billion tonnes of CO2. If you can express 400 ppm as a decimal 0.0004 to make it look like a small number, I used billions of tonnes to make it look like it is…a huge amount of CO2.

    If god’s CO2 gave an ACC in the 380’s ppm in the past and temperatures increased then man’s + god’s CO2 in 2015 can give an ACC of 400+ ppm and rising. You agreed that temperature change is cyclic and CO2 was responsible for temp increases in the past and a decrease caused cooling , CO2 at 400+ and rising will cause temp increases in the present. Yes there were other factors that contributed to temperature fluctuations, sun activity, distance to sun, but CO2 contributed to temp increase and ice core samples prove it.

    The scary thing today is the sun’s activity is decreasing in it’s 11 year cycle and we should be entering a mini ice age but we are not due to the greenhouse affect of CO2!

    What is your “point of view!”

    Oh yes expressing the ppm as a decimal i.e 400ppm is 0.0004 makes it look like a very small number…you are devious!

    • tonyheller says:

      I’m not making any predictions. I’m pointing out that the 1940 spike was real, and that GISS made it disappear. I just lived through the coldest winter on record in Baltimore, so am not particularly impressed with your analysis.

    • R Shearer says:

      There were no sulfur regulations for gasoline content prior to 1990. Refiners “sweetened” it to prevent corrosion issues but gasoline frequently contained I over 1000 ppm S by mass.

    • etudiant says:

      The ‘aerosols did it’ argument for the cooling seen in the 40s-70 period has to stand up to the reality that China is currently producing about 4-5 times as much steel and burning much more coal than the US ever did, with minimal pollution controls. Why are the aerosols produced today so much less influential than those generated earlier.
      Separately, afaik natural CO2 sources from vegetative processes are much larger ( in the 200 gigaton/year class) than volcanic emissions, so it is important not to ignore them in the assessment effort.

      • That’s just one correction of Mr. Fish’s posts……there are about 8 others, but when somebody is so wrong on so many points, it’s not worth the effort. Mr. Fish is hopelessly ignorant.


  3. gator69 says:

    Hey Tony! Your buddy is at other websites mischaracterizing you…

    # William Bill Fish 2015-06-29 18:32
    Steven Goddard/Tom Heller is an engineer trying to be a climatologist. He’s on the list of the few deniers keeping you myth going.…/leaked-email-reveals-whos-who-list-climate-denialists-merchants-of-doubt-oreskes-fred-singer-marc-morano-steve-milloy

  4. CJ says:

    I see Big Fish left the conversation, but really wanted his learned feedback. Aerosols caused cooling, and their elimination allowed plant food to warm the temps, but what amount of that warming was due to the elimination of aerosols?? Got science? On that?? CJ

  5. CJ says:

    And Bill, the realclimate acolytes and WaPo don’t count as science- ‘peer’ non-pal reviewed if you please!! CJ

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