New Video : NOAA Hiding Critical Arctic Sea Ice Data

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26 Responses to New Video : NOAA Hiding Critical Arctic Sea Ice Data

  1. Dale Hartz says:

    Tony, can you give us a reference so we can find the 1985 DOE report?

  2. AndyG55 says:

    Here’s that DOE and sat chart combined

    • garyh845 says:

      I think I may repeat myself.:

      Would be fun to see this graphic updated with conditions since 1990. Perhaps would simply show a repeating cycle.

      And, then while noting that there’s been a flat, to rising, trend for the last decade, Tony could add in the video, “And what’s this? Does this change from the downward trend perhaps suggest that a new cycle may be underway?”

      Cheers

      Cheers.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Been dropping since 1979, in line with the AMO.

        AMO is just starting to turn downwards, so we pretty much at the bottom of the cycle.

  3. Steve Case says:

    Off Topic but on the same sort of cherry picking BS

    My recent Google search on Sea Level in the news turns up

                Sea level rise accelerating nearly 3x faster than during 20th century

    where 1993-2012 is used as the time series that’s 3 times faster. I’ve been pointing out that 30 year rates ending in 1950 are similar to today’s rate.

    Doesn’t matter what aspect of “Climate Change” you read about, the “Scientists” and the “Mainstream” media cherry pick and exaggerate the data.

  4. Andy DC says:

    It is so obvious and so phony to say that if sea ice is less than the all time record high, that represents a death spiral or catastrophic warming. Plus 38 years (back to 1979) is way to short a time to make any definitive statements about serious climate change.

    If you take summer temperatures going back 85 years and cherry pick the 1930’s in a similar manner, you can make a the same case for catastrophic cooling.

    • RAH says:

      If one really talks climate in the longer time scales, we are cooling dramatically.

      • garyh845 says:

        Any info Tony about how this graphic was created? Indication is that you had something posted earlier in May (I was out of the country) . . but your archive link is not working (getting 404 forbidden).

        I passed it onto a ‘reporter,’ the other day — but wants details on the specific data source – who created it. You know the routine.

        • RAH says:

          GRIP European was multinational ice core drilling and analysis project and who produced that graph. Someone more familiar with their work would have to tell you exactly who in the project produced it and how. However what I do know is that a US Greenland Ice Core project called GSIP2 http://www.gisp2.sr.unh.edu/
          has also produced a graph with similar results shown.

        • RAH says:

          Notice two independent sources analyzing ice cores from Greenland have found that the temperature started to down trend starting about 1,000 years ago.

          • garyh845 says:

            Thanks very much. However, if I send the graphic to “Email: gisp2.smo@unh.edu” and ask if it’s an fair/accurate representation of their data, what sort of a response should I expect to receive?

          • RAH says:

            Find out! It’s their graph! BTW a good squall line is coming in on us here and I just had a lighting strike so close I could smell the Ozone. Think it hit a big maple across the street. Got my attention.

          • garyh845 says:

            I’ll do that.

            Lightning. Used to live in Colorado – had a lot of it there. My house got hit perhaps 4-5 times; once split the cottonwood tree in the front yard, and once just before the strike, the ceiling in the living room filled with Saint Elmo’s fire. It was beautiful, but I knew what was coming next.

            I got grazed once, with my hand in the mail-box as the bolt hit the barbed wire fence.

            Reminds me of an old joke: A storm was coming up and 4 golfers were getting concerned about where to go. One of them said, ‘Here. Everyone huddle around me.’ then he grabbed his one-iron and held it up high over the 4 of them. They freaked out, saying ‘WTF?’ He said, ‘ No, no . . not even God can hit a one-iron!’

          • garyh845 says:

            It’s on the way? Will update if/when I get a response. Cheers.

          • garyh845 says:

            Well dang. Email does not work. So I called the number . . goes to personal sounding voice mail for a Mark Twickler. Looks like he’s the NICL – Science Management Office – Science Director.
            http://www.icecores.org/about/index.shtml

            Re-sent it here: nicl.smo@unh.edu

        • AndyG55 says:

          IIRC the graph is from a guy called Ed Holme

          I can’t find the exact graph, (its been around for a while), but plenty to read through. :-)

          https://edmhdotme.wordpress.com/

  5. Ben Vorlich says:

    During the 1940s Russia was supplied by convoys from the UK to Murmansk, Murmansk was chosen because it is ice free. Here are some sources for routes

    http://www.naval-history.net/WW2CampaignsRussianConvoys.htm

    http://uboat.net/ops/convoys/routes.php?route=PQ

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/ROUTES-1941-42-Approaches-Murmansk-Archangel/dp/B006DAHBRG

    • RAH says:

      And they didn’t send ice breakers with those convoys. Convoys to Russia during the last quarter of 1942 were considerably reduced from what they would have been due to the requirements for shipping, escorts, and materials for the invasion of N. Africa.

      As the war progressed more and more of the shipping consisted of Liberty Ships mass produced in the yards set up by William Kaiser. It was on the Russian routes that the problem of hull cracking in some Liberty Ships with welded hulls came to light. The severe cold conditions along the route exacerbated the reduction of ductility that occurs along the edges of welded connections. Reinforcement of existing ships and relatively minor modifications for those in production alleviated the problem but Kaiser was pummeled in the press. It was not deserved. The fact that the ships were generally loaded well over their designed tonnage and transiting the rough seas of the N. Atlantic had a lot to do with the problem.

    • RAH says:

      When one thinks of WW II it should be understood that the allies had to win the Battle of the Atlantic to win the war. First they had to keep Russia in the war and that meant a steady stream of supplies. Then they had to build up for their invasions and offensives. The very fact that Glacier Girl and her sister P-38’s were lost in Greenland is evidence of just how desperate the battle was and how effective the U-boats were for a time. And there is another airplane that is housed as a museum piece at Long Beach that is a strong piece of evidence that indicates how desperate the situation was. Howard Hughes “Spruce Goose” would not exist had the US not been desperate to find a way fly it’s freight over the U-boats.

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