The New York Times claims that global warming is causing sea level rise and more frequent destructive storms – so New York needs to build a wall.
The $119 Billion Sea Wall That Could Defend New York … or Not – The New York Times
President Trump says it is a costly, foolish idea.
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Sea level at New York is rising at the same slow rate as it did when Abraham Lincoln was president. There is no indication humans have had any impact or that New York is under any threat.
Sea Level Trends – NOAA Tides & Currents
The number of landfalling US hurricanes and US major hurricanes have both declined.
There is no indication that New York hurricanes have increased.
In 2016, the Washington Post was terrified by the lack of hurricanes.
The worst hurricane to hit New York occurred in 1821.
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06 Oct 1821, 1 – The Lancaster Gazette at Newspapers.com
This came six years after another massive hurricane.
New York’s brilliant governor believes that New York didn’t used to have hurricanes.
Cuomo Claims NY ‘Did Not Have Hurricanes,’ Forgets Superstorms of 1821, 1938 | KNSS 98.7/1330
Hurricanes go all over the North Atlantic. Even Iceland has been hit by many tropical cyclones.
Cyclones (Tropical) – Vulnerability Assessment
Eight of the ten deadliest US hurricanes occurred more than 100 years ago.
Nine of the 25 deadliest atlantic hurricanes occurred around the time of the Revolutionary War.
The Deadliest Atlantic Tropical Cyclones, 1492-1996
The deadliest Atlantic hurricane occurred in 1780, and destroyed every single building in Barbados.
30 Dec 1780, 2 – Jackson’s Oxford Journal at Newspapers.com
1893 Atlantic hurricane season – Wikipedia
Obama took full advantage of Hurricane Sandy for political purposes, then bought a mansion on the beach in New England.
Opinion | The Next Hurricane, and the Next – The New York Times
This si what New England looked like after the 1938 hurricane.
According to NASA’s James Hansen, Lower Manhattan has been underwater for two years already.
Stormy weather – Global warming – Salon.com
After Sandy, New Yorkers got a sneak preview of a low carbon footprint and the Green New Deal.
Just had to put that picture from Martha’s Vineyard on there, eh….
Now I’m left wondering if pondering a repeat of the 1938 ‘cane makes me a “bad person.” Sheesh!
(PS keep up the great work … it IS getting out there, despite the censors)
Say a sea wall is built and at some future date the gates are closed.
Where does the water of the Hudson Valley go. (13,000 square miles)
Better to place large off-shore wind farms in the path of the more frequent and powerful hurricanes:
New York Awards Offshore Wind Contracts in Bid to Reduce Emissions
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/18/business/energy-environment/offshore-wind-farm-new-york.html
While that might seem illogical to some, they could be planning to put the wind turbines in reverse gear to blow the hurricanes away from the harbor?
It doesn’t seem to be a problem with the Thames Barrier in London so I’m sure it could be dealt with (maybe not by the Corps of Engineers though).
The cost of building such a wall still currently outstrips remediation costs (when such storms happen) by orders of magnitude. No surprise that alarmist loonies at NYT have come up with such drivel.
This is so the pot calling the kettle black. I’m sorry, but the southern wall is also a bad idea. If you really claim to love capitalism, then you really need immigrants. If you don’t believe me, then check out this gem of a comic book.
https://www.amazon.com/Open-Borders-Science-Ethics-Immigration/dp/1250316979/ref=asc_df_1250316979/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=393797778643&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8601167022178745087&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9023845&hvtargid=pla-835181362485&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=84682299034&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=393797778643&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8601167022178745087&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9023845&hvtargid=pla-835181362485
Mr. T. Rex…
Where have you been?
The wall is not about immigrants. It is about ILLEGAL immigrants.
Abide by the law, and you are welcome.
No?
Mr. T. Rex,
Demographics is destiny, so someone wrote.
Responsible immigrants are desirable and welcome.
Open borders are not a great idea.
Well, they are if the goal is to destroy nations.
{See: George Soros}
My house has four sides called WALLS. It has numerous openings called DOORS. Two of these doors have a button with a small sign above that says PLEASE RING THE BELL. If someone breaks into my house I will call the police and have them removed.
This country has openings in its borders called PORTS OF ENTRY. If someone fails to ask permission to enter then they should be removed forthwith just as someone would be removed from my house for the crime of breaking and entering.
The country needs a southern wall for the same reason my house has walls and locked doors. Our country has always welcomed immigrants who request the proper permission to enter. Sometime in the past my family were immigrants. But they did it legally.
Any questions?
Any questions?
Yes. Why call the police when you should be calling an ambulance? The police do not have gurneys.
You make a very good point!
“If someone breaks into my house I will call the police and have them removed.”
You are a very tolerant person. If someone breaks into my house, I’ll shoot them and then call the police to have them remove the body.
Notice I didn’t say exactly what shape the intruders would be in when the police removed them. The coroner would have an ample supply of body bags. The point I was making was that just as a citizen has a right to be secure in his home the country as a whole has a right to be secure within the borders of the country. I probably should have rephrased and said they would be charged with breaking and entry-if they survived my utilization of my second amendment rights. I like Gator’s point that the police don’t use gurneys.
The vaguely defined nature of the intruders’ removal was the first thing that caught my eye in your original comment.
T-Rex,
What is your opinion of Caplan’s deceptive treatment of the crime rates of illegal immigrants vs. native U.S. population?
Choosing to live on the coast involves risk. It is not government’s job to mitigate the risks from people’s choices. If living in NY becomes too risky, people will move.
If it’s too risky, NYT, recommend people MOVE.
Adaptation has worked for thousands of years.
Amen. Over the years my wife and I have lived in areas at risk of hurricanes, volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, and tornadoes. We now live in Tucson, AZ, which doesn’t have an history of any of these risks. Our worst storms involve a few days of rain that fill dry river beds and sometimes flood floodplains (surprise, surprise). So, we adapted. (I consider us climate refugees from Michigan. We escaped the MI weather and political climates.)
Climate change sparking ‘humanitarian crisis’ in Solomon Islands.
‘Sea levels in the Solomon Islands have risen over 15 centimetres, due to climate change and trade winds physically pushing water into this part of the Pacific. Dr Simon Albert says it’s a grim look into the future, with predictions that the entire globe will face the same rates in the next 100 years. With the world heating up, drastic rises in sea level mean whole islands are literally disappearing. It’s an extraordinary sight, and proof positive we must do more, right now.’
Check out this story at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1cdCUZNh04 and https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-07/rising-sea-levels-blamed-for-wiping-out-five-islands/7392986
The 60-minutes program and ABC article conclude that inhabited reef islets in a lagoon in the Solomon Islands are being lost to rising sea levels and trade winds brought about by climate change. I would have thought that sand on reefs constantly moves around because of tides and currents. The most obvious explanation is that the islets are being naturally eroded. The suggested high sea level rises seem false to me. I believe that the scientific basis for Dr Simon Albert’s conclusions needs to be exposed and Tony Heller is the best person to do this.
There are many other ‘youtube’ postings on the same subject. Google: – sea level rises in the Solomons youtube
Very good.
NYT pretending a *lack* of hurricanes is ‘terrifying’ reveals the true depths of their ideological depravity. It’s literally an absurd position to take but simply proves no climate propaganda is too extreme for them to lie or fearmonger about.
No wonder they’re a media laughing stock.
Sign of the times-
common sense is breaking thru
Guardian news vid-
‘What will you tell your children?’: Greta Thunberg blasts climate inaction at Davos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D9iWNL2ahg
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“Funny” thing
-right now you have millions of people in New York
who haven”t seen any significant sea level rise in decades,
but will still be scared by this nonsense article.
And many of them are old enough to remember the ice age scare of the 70ies.
Yet they fail to trust their own eyes and common sense
and don”t even dare to ask how the so scientific ice age could turn into
the so scientific warming.
An easy way to take away the fear.
Reality.
Fort Denison: Sea level : today 6 cm lower than 115 years ago.
And on the opposite site of the planet.
Bishops Rock-UK.
I havent found the sea level data,
but old photos show a similar thing as with Fort Denison.
Thank You!!! I asked for an eastern seaboard sea level rise video and here it is. So good. It’s reaching many of my climate crazy friends and they are actually listening. Keep it up
I’m not sure if hurricanes hitting the USA is a good statistic compared to ACE or number of big storms Tony.
I’ve said it before and said it again.
Climate AGW advocates say tropical storms are betting bigger and more frequent. The stats don’t show this. So if the stats don’t even show even an intensity rise there is no evidence at all for proving either way how the tracks go, ie are tropical storms getting more or less likely to hit the USA?
I don’t believe you can show this, apart from a long gap. Might be a short gap next time.
I think it is far more profitable to concentrate on the energy of storms rather than where they hit.
Andy
The discussion is about protecting New York from hurricanes. The number of hurricanes hitting New York isn’t relevant?
Why bother with a wall since according to the GREATest climat prophet James Hansen, Manhattan is already under hundreds feet of water ?
I’ve told you a thousand times not to exaggerate. ;-P
The corps of Engineers has never seen a project they didn’t like, it’s so much fun playing with our money. Their plan for New Orleans is also too expensive and over the top. Many better solutions available.
They better put some drains in their wall to let the water (and rats) out.
Hurricane Maria ranks as the third deadliest US hurricane due to the addition of “estimated excess deaths.” Since there is no single federal government methodology for attributing deaths to a storm, a study that includes residents killed in car crashes six months after the storm will work just fine. But these government warehouses in PR recently discovered still stuffed with disaster relief supplies from 2017 make me wonder: How many of those estimated excess deaths could have been averted if the food, water, tents, stoves, generators, etc, had been distributed in the aftermath of the storm?