Alarmists have already moved their snake oil show to Phoenix, claiming that it never flooded there before.
This picture was the Ash Avenue Bridge in 1914, with Tempe Butte in the background.
I lived in Scottsdale in 1980. and had to commute across the Salt River to Tempe. The 1980 flood put more water in the Salt River than was in the Mississippi River, and washed out every bridge except for the Mill Avenue Bridge. It was a two hour commute each way.
This was the 1993 flood
This was the 1966 flood
If a climate expert says something, you can be 97% sure it isn’t true.
Yeah, but 97% of the folks who hear the expert will believe him.
Not a lot of people understand why a dry riverbed can be so wide.
If they haven’t lived in the SW. Otherwise unless they lived in Death Valley during a dry spell, and are a thinking person they know. If they aren’t then they are bound to be one of the idiots that end of dead or having to be rescued. Friend of mine is on the DFD rescue unit. He’s one of the guys you may have seen in the red semi V boat out on Lake Hubbard if you pass down that way. He tells me the stories. Also tells me about the bodies they find sunken in 50 gal. drums in that lake.
Will call my neighbor about our “climate refugee house” tonight…going out on the limb here and figure he’ll say nothing doing!
Every idiot knows that Phoenix always used to have perfectly even, well distributed rainfall. Right!!
I lived in Tucson from 85-94… very heavy rain and floods were routine. Forgive me, but I thought CNN’s Bill Weir pointed out that only ‘willfully ignorant f-sticks’ believed weather was climate. Or did that change in the last few weeks?
Ah, yes…but it’s only weather if you aren’t coming to it from the skeptical viewpoint…then you are a ‘willfully ignorant f*kstick’, no matter what you are claiming. Otherwise you are a caring, enlightened, concerned citizen of the world (who just happens to have the personality of a sheep and the intelligence of a box of rocks.)
“who just happens to have the personality of a sheep and the intelligence of a box of rocks.”
LOL! True, but before we go slandering sheep and rocks by comparing them to so-called “Progressives”, we should remember that at least a sheep and a box of rocks can actually be put to productive uses.
Well…I suppose. What most of ‘Progressives’ don’t realze is, that if they actually get their way, the rank and file of them will instantly become very useful…as Soylent Green.
Ha! mjc, you are right. Useful idiots become useful fodder.
“Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.”
H. L. Mencken
“Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.” ~ H. L. Mencken
That is why the Founding Fathers set-up a Republic instead of a Democracy. It is also why the Senate was set-up as representing the state governments and why the decline of the USA can be traced back to the passing of the Amendment removing the Senate from the control of the governments of the states. (As well as the 1913 Federal Reserve Act of course.)
Yes the storms were lining up in the Pacific, one after another. Great skiing though.
Steven,
Thanks for the history! Yes, it rains and floods in Phoenix and the surrounding areas.
In during the 1993 flood season, the Gillespie Dam failed as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gillespie_Dam
http://www.brylitegraphics.com/gillespie-bridge.html
This last monsoon was a whopper – where I live southeast of downtown Phoenix, it is said to have rained over 5.5 inches between 2:AM and mid morning! It was really coming down. Check http://rainlog.org/usprn/html/main/maps.jsp tomorrow after they post today’s rain.
Massive flooding shut down I-10 and I-17 for most of the day today, Sept 8th 2014, with Phoenix having the highest rainfall in any one-day period in over 119 years (3.29″ – 8.356 cm). Not much news coverage outside the city by the MSM though. And this comes on the heels of more dramatic flooding just a few weeks ago north of the metro area where up to 8.19″ (20.8 cm) of rain fell in the mountains surrounding the New River flood plain. When it rains, it rains, despite the 330+ days of sunshine the rest of the year. If anything, this is evidence of cyclical phenomenon, not CAGW-induced disaster.
It is evidence of a tropical storm off Baja
So glad you posted this. I’m getting slammed with students claiming this storm is proof of climate change! I lived in Phoenix. I’ve even used an Arizona flash flood in one of my novels. But people only believe what they’ve experienced in their own lifetimes (well, plus the media’s claim that this is a once in 200 year storm).
Oh…media claims it…so it must be so.
Ratings must need a boost during a slow news day…
Been in Phoenix once back in ’76 or so. The day I left the airport flooded about two hours after getting out.
PS: A day or two before leaving, the temp dropped below freezing.
I too lived in Phoenix in 1980. I recall that there were only two bridges that survived the floods, the Old Mill Bridge and the Scottsdale Rd bridge (the little bridge that could). I can remember looking UP at the river as I approached the Scottsdale bridge because they had to put dikes to protect the bridge approaches . Otherwise you would have had a bridge in the middle of the river surrounded by water. This crap about 100 year flood is just that, crap. Even with perfect data, you can have 2-3 100 year floods in any given century and vice versa. Mother Naturea bitch but somehow these fools think that mankind is responsible for everything.
The Scottsdale Rd bridge did close. I lived right off Scottsdale Rd. and worked at ASU, but had to drive across the Mill Avenue bridge because both entrances to the Scottsdale Rd bridge were flooded.
My roommate and I figured out how they could have stopped the flooding in the Salt River that year. You might recall the Saga Foods pancakes they used to serve in the dorms and at the union at ASU. No matter how much syrup you poured on them, they absorbed it all and were still powder dry. A couple of those would have dried up that flood in a few minutes.
I have lived in AZ since 56. I remember seeing a guy water skiing in my street pulled by pickup truck. He had a cowboy hat on, redneck water show! Rule of thumb, during a flash flood never be the first one to cross the wash. Always wait for the eastern dude to try the waters first.
Obama being clueless as usual. This is hilarious.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10202804003885630&set=vb.1366776940&type=2&theater
There is no better example of permanent drought-flood than Phoenix, Ariz.
A little history on film and max a couple of hundred years worth of observation. Not really much. A much bigger event may be possible.
A geologist may recognize the evidence, probably not a climate modeller.
The geologist is educated enough to know those huge canyons and arroyos aren’t formed by wind and drought… and the climate modeller has an agenda and script.
On an unrelated note, Alberta just got hit hard with global warming: https://twitter.com/adolwyn/status/509117321206853632/photo/1
these are the blog posts i love,and steve is the man when it comes to searching out historical weather facts.just reading through this type of article on this blog should be enough to convince most people that in terms of weather there is indeed nothing new under the sun.
Have a question for anyone familiar with the area. Being that Phoenix is in the desert and could obviously put this water to good use, where does this water flow to, and are there any dams downstream trapping or diverting all this flow?
“If a climate expert says something, you can be 97% sure it isn’t true,” Balderdash. If the so-called “expert” is on O’Dumbo’s payroll, its 100% lies.
When we moved here in 82 only mill Ave, and the I-10 bridge was in use. When the new Mill Ave bridge collaped during the 93 flood, people stood on the old span cheering as it fell into the salt.