More Workplace Violence?

Witnesses said they heard a loud noise, saw the tail came apart from the plane, and then watched as a fireball and cloud of black smoke shot into the sky, visible for miles.

“The plane started coming in at an odd angle, there was a huge bang and you could see the cloud of huge black smoke,” observed Kate Belding, who was jogging near the airport at the time of the crash.

Korean Passenger Plane Crashes At SFO; 2 Dead, 182 Injured « CBS San Francisco

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  1. stewart pid says:

    The tail of the plane nailed the sea wall pretty hard which tore it off and then the rest of the plane slide down the runway … under carriage likely collapse / tore off with the force of impact. Condolences to the families of the dead. It appears that it could have been far worse.

  2. John B., M.D. says:

    I bet it was pilot error. Weather was clear with minimal wind, 10 mile visibility. The descent rate was 1400 ft/min, which experts on TV said is unusually fast. The ILS system was down, and approach is from over the water, so one can more easily misjudge distances. The pilots may have realized that they were too low, pulled up on the nose and applied engine power, but it was too late. The landing gear and/or tail hit the seawall. Amazing the aircraft didn’t cartwheel or roll as in Sioux City.

    http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/awx_07_06_2013_p0-594353.xml

    Just waiting for someone to blame AGW. After all, more CO2 means more energy in the system, and thus more turbulence, causing the crash.

    • Not only was the descent rate fast, but the plane came in at the wrong angle.

      Something else was going on.

      • John B., M.D. says:

        FYI, I get the print edition of AW&ST. I’m sure we will hear about the investigation findings long before NTSB releases the official report.

      • Mike Mangan says:

        If there was something else going on you’re never going to hear about it, unless it was something like the pilot dancing Gangnam style and forgetting to get in his seat and land the plane.

      • Billy Liar says:

        This is from a comment on John B’s link:

        20 seconds before last reading … ground speed = 123 kts (knots), ALT = 300 feet , descent rate = -840 fpm (feet per minute) (descending)

        10 seconds before last reading… ground speed = 102 kts, ALT = 100 ft , descent rate = -120 fpm (descending)

        Last reading taken before crash … ground speed = 85 kts, ALT = 200 ft , descent rate = +120 fpm (climbing)

        Sounds like quite the roller coaster ride.

        link: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAR214/history/20130706/0730Z/RKSI

        I doubt very much whether a 777 flies at 85 kts (ground speed but the winds were light) – that’s a power-on stall.

        They left it too late to execute a go-around from an unstabilized approach. My 2¢.

        • kbray in california says:

          Too low, too slow, no excuse for that in a 777.
          Complicating factors:
          1) due to construction at airport, pilots had to land manually,
          auto land guidance system was not available.
          2) body clock for a Korean pilot was 3:30 AM after 11 hour flight.
          3) Korean cockpit culture is to never challenge the captain, the captain is god.
          This idiot captain fvcked-up and the error was not corrected by the other crew.

          I would put the captain on a suicide watch ASAP.
          Condolences to all those affected.

        • John B., M.D. says:

          The NTSB briefing just now on TV says the engines were at idle and the stick skaker went off. Four sec before impact the engines were commanded to throttle up (which takes time), and 1.5 sec before impact someone said “go around.” So, the comments here appear to be confirmed. The flight crew was on a steep glideslope and had to bleed off altitude, misjudged the approach from over the ocean, bled off too much airspeed, went into a stall, and that’s all she wrote. Pilot error. The polot and co-pilot were experienced, so fatigue could easily have played a role.

        • John B., M.D. says:

          Correction: the stick shaker went off 4 sec before impact. Seven sec before impact one of the crew members called on the pilots to increase speed.

        • John B., M.D. says:

          video of the crash: http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2013/07/07/vo-plane-sf-plane-crash-on-cam.courtesy-fred-hayes

          In addition to previous comments, looks like the left engine also hit and got ripped off, and the aircraft spun almost 360 deg counterclockwise before coming to a rest.

  3. Kaboom says:

    My money is on tires going poof because of the poor landing.

  4. Latitude says:

    I just read the flight attendants fell out the back…when the tail came off

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