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Isn’t Barbara Boxer about due for a fact finding trip?
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With these conditions the Greenland ice sheet is going to slide into the ocean any moment.
;o)
And yet nearby the ice extent is close to it’s record 2007 low.
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/AMSRE_Sea_Ice_Extent_L.png
Seemed like only a few days ago you were going on about how much recovery there was.
Brendon, I saw that also – but at The Cryosphere Today site, the comparison chart of 2007 to 2010 for Oct 28 (there wasn’t one for oct 298 2010) doesn’t quite reflect that ice levels were the same.
http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=10&fd=28&fy=2007&sm=10&sd=28&sy=2010
AND, check out this article of ice free arctic around 10,000 years ago . . .
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/30/new-peer-reviewed-paper-says-there-appear-to-have-been-periods-of-ice-free-summers-in-the-central-arctic-ocean/#more-27209
Actually it is not! you are looking at a condition caused by wind and how it affects ice cover greater than 15% in any given pixel area. Because the Arctic is limited in area and can not grow past its boundaries that leaves the yearly minimum as some vague indicator of ice conditions. The 15% equals 100% rule used or the 30% equals 100% used by others makes those observations SWAGs.
I understand that ice tends to melt a great speed when the temperature warms to -40 or so in your and other promoters dreams but in reality it is compacting and getting thicker or blowing out of the arctic ocean into the Atlantic.
The Antarctic is doing this at the same time:
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png
One decreasing. The other increasing. There is a perfect, elegant balance in Nature.
One shouldn’t point out just part of what’s going on in Nature. Everything should be taken into account. The beauty, and awe, of Nature shouldn’t be limited to such a narrow minded viewpoint of picking certain things out that are then used to prove some failing hypothesis. But that’s not what ‘global warming’ can be. Because if you take all things into account you could have no ‘global warming’. What an ugly, uninspiring, and inelegant thing ‘global warming’ is.
Ice extent has nearly doubled and always converges as the Arctic Basin fills up. What a dumb argument.
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/AMSRE_Sea_Ice_Extent.png
Thank you for this Steven, it has made me consider that I need to get out more often, perhaps you should consider this too. Us old FORTRAN programmers need to support each other.
Fact finding excursions are roughly set as follows:
February/March time frame … examine Antarctic ice melt conditions.
August/September … examine Arctic ice melt conditions.
December-March … examine fragile ecological conditions in the tropics. (NH based activists/politicians)
June-September … examine fragile ecological conditions in the tropics. (SH based activists/politicians)
{Just look at all those eco-tourism dollars pouring into such tragically devastated locations as the Maldives, Fiji, Bali, and on and on …}
And let’s not pick on just the politicians; this applies to anybody traveling on someone else’s dime for their ‘noble’ crusade.
According to your link, Tues Night now only -104.8.
Three degrees warming!
Just can’t trust the weather.
And in other news;
Unusually late end to the growing season (not a cherry picked night;
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/ctp/features/2010/10_20/index.php
Cherry picked region! Also Cherry picked climatological period. In regions of Tennessee the frost warning came out weeks early. It just depends on the location of the Jet when the Arctic air masses descend into the Continental US.
“Cherry picked region!”
Of course it is. But why didn’t you complain when it was Summit, Greenland ?
Summit is the only published station on the ice sheet and is fairly typical of the ice sheet. It is much more representative of the majority of Greenland than any of the coastal stations.
I only complained as you were using it to show the purpose for this thread is wrong. The Arctic tends to be below freezing when the is no incoming energy from the sun after the fall Equinox unless the wind patterns are pushing / pulling warm air into the Arctic region. After September 21 a heat wave in that region is less that the freezing point of sea water.
I have had Thanksgiving dinner outside in Ohio and also been snowed in during my Thanksgiving vacations there over the last 20 some years. I recall going Trick or treating in the snow in Southern Nevada and Riding My bike without a coat on Christmas day. Just natural weather patterns!
Talk about cherry picking…..
New peer reviewed paper says “there appear to have been periods of ice free summers in the central Arctic Ocean” in the early Holocene, about 10-11,000 years ago
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/30/new-peer-reviewed-paper-says-there-appear-to-have-been-periods-of-ice-free-summers-in-the-central-arctic-ocean/
There have been papers in the past showing the same thing happened at various times throughout the Holocene. That was in a Noaa state of the Arctic report released a couple of years ago.
That’s good. So then nothing new is happening in Arctic Ice now.
“Goodness me! The sky is falling! I must go tell the king.”
~~Chicken Little
I was looking for the NOAA report but came across this from the NYT:
Quote or excerpt if you will
SOVIET SHIP CIRCLES FRANZ JOSEF LAND; Feat, Accomplished for First Time, Is Described by the Leader of Expedition. SUCCESS LAID TO PLANNING Russian Meteorologist Says. He Based Trip on Heat Wave Carried by Gulf Stream From Florida.
First pargraph:
MOSCOW, Nov. 25 (Science Service, by mail). — The circumnavigation of Franz Josef Land, heretofore regarded as impossible, has been accomplished by a Soviet expedition in a small auxiliary sailing craft, thanks, it is said, to a heat wave that started in Florida in 1928, and after creeping along with the Gulf Stream for four years reached the Polar Sea this year.
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60911F73A5513738DDDAC0894DA415B828FF1D3&scp=9&sq=pole+circumnavigation&st=p