http://climvis.ncdc.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/cag3/hr-display3.pl
I have this weird idea that global warming should actually have some warming associated with it..
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lol, but if you graph from the cherry picked year of 1975, then the trend………
Speaking of our new found friend, did you all see her comments?
“What happened? Did the skeptics and the oil companies and the libertarian think tanks win? No, you lost. All in the name of supporting policies that I don’t think many of you fully understand.”
lol, nice b-slap! And called them stupid all at the same time!
That graph is just weather. Global warming is happening.
sarc off
Ok everyone. Here is your chance to respond to a Scientific American survey about “climate change”, “gorebal warming” or “climate disruption” or whatever the flavor of the day is.
Take the survey first before viewing the results. You might be surprised..
http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=taking-the-temperature-climate-chan-2010-10-25
Judith handed out a spanking. Discourse! Debate! Disagreement! Discovery! What a refreshing thought.
I think the temp chart shown here is likely similar to the TRUE Global Mean Temp for this period. I suspect after all adjustments are backed out/corrected, the 30’s/40’s will prove to be the warmest period in the last century.
oh yeah. Thanks to WUWT for posting it.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/26/take-the-scientific-american-poll-on-judith-currry/#more-27003
Missed one.
It’s called GLOBAL warming.
http://woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1900/to:2011/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1900/to:2011/trend
Stop spamming
Stop posting local temperature trends as if they had any relevance to global warming.
[Anyone who thinks that a 110 year lack of warming across an entire state is a “local trend” – has their thinking cap on crooked]
I agree with Brendon on this. If you keep posting local temps without showing what the global temp is doing then you are cherry picking. You should know that’s not good science.
[Anyone who thinks that a 110 year lack of warming across an entire state is a “local trend” – has their thinking cap on crooked]
So six weeks in Moscow is global warming, but six thousand weeks of cooling in Georgia is just weather.
Do you have any idea how ridiculous that point of view is?
I showed a 110 year period for the planet, not six weeks in Moscow.
Good for you. HadCrut shows no warming for over a decade.
Although talking about the russian heat wave, is this true?
Russia has recently seen the longest unprecedented heat wave for at least one thousand years, the head of the Russian Meteorological Center said on Monday.
If so then that’s sure more remarkable than the weather Georgia’s having.
Wow so they got records going back to 1010 in Russia? So your trying to tell me they have exact temperature records going back to 1010. I mean in 1238 Moscow was sacked and burnt to the ground, but hey we still have the temperature that day no worries. 1571, it was burnt to the ground again, no worries, all the data is intact, we had a backup harddrive on the internet for that day.
Middle Ages
In the end of 1st millennium AD the territory of Moscow and the Moscow Oblast was inhabited by the Slavic tribes of Vyatichi and Krivichi[dubious – discuss]. In the end of 11th century Moscow was a small town with the feudal center and trade suburb situated at the mouth of the Neglinnaya River. Its favorable position on the headwaters of the Volga river contributed to steady expansion.
The first reference to Moscow dates from 1147[1] when it was an obscure town in a small province inhabited mostly by Merya, speakers of a now extinct Finnic language. In 1156, Knjaz Yury Dolgoruky built a wooden wall and a moat around the city. After the sacking of 1237-1238, when the Mongol Khanate of the Golden Horde burned the city to the ground and killed its inhabitants, Moscow recovered and once again became a bustling capital.
In 1300 Moscow was ruled by Daniil Aleksandrovich, the son of Alexander Nevsky and a member of the Rurik Dynasty. Moscow was also stable and prosperous for many years and attracted a large numbers of refugees from across Russia. The Ruriks maintained large landholdings by practicing primogeniture, whereby all land was passed to the eldest sons, rather than dividing it up among all sons. By 1304, Yury of Moscow contested with Mikhail of Tver for the throne of the principality of Vladimir. Ivan I eventually defeated Tver to become the sole collector of taxes for the Mongol rulers, making Moscow the capital of Vladimir-Suzdal. By paying high tribute, Ivan won an important concession from the Khan.
Plan of Moscow, 1917
While Khan of the Golden Horde initially attempted to limit Moscow’s influence, when the growth of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania began to threaten all of Russia, the Khan strengthened Moscow to counterbalance Lithuania, allowing it to become one of the most powerful cities in Russia. In 1380, prince Dmitry Donskoy of Moscow led a united Russian army to an important victory over the Mongols in the Battle of Kulikovo. Afterwards, Moscow took the leading role in liberating Russia from Mongol domination. In 1480, Ivan III had finally broken the Russians free from Tatar control, and Moscow became the capital of an empire that would eventually encompass all of Russia and Siberia, and parts of many other lands.
[edit] 16th – 19th Centuries
In 1571 the Tatars from the Crimean Khanate seized and burned Moscow.
The Russian famine of 1601 – 1603 killed perhaps 100,000 in Moscow.
From 1610 through 1612, troops of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth occupied Moscow, as its ruler Sigismund III tried to take the Russian throne. In 1612, the people of Nizhny Novgorod and other Russian cities conducted by prince Dmitry Pozharsky and Kuzma Minin rose against the Polish occupants, besieged the Kremlin, and expelled them. In 1613, the Zemsky sobor elected Michael Romanov tsar, establishing the Romanov dynasty.
Moscow ceased to be Russia’s capital when in 1703 Peter the Great constructed Saint Petersburg on the Baltic coast.
When Napoleon invaded Russia in 1812, the Moscovites burned the city[citation needed] and evacuated. It’s also argued that the Moscow fire was started by accident by Napoleon’s troops trying to keep warm; please see Fire of Moscow (1812).
If you check the chart on the last page of this JOURNAL article (not a climbing magazine), you can see your best friend Michael Mann has a chart showing the El Nino is pretty week at the moment compared to 500 or even 1000 years ago. So you think there were no heat waves in the past, even though the Minoan civilization and other great civilizations had problems in the past? You think for the last 1000 years, because CO2 was supposedly constant, every day was a nice 21 degree day and the weather was completely stable?
http://www.clim-past.net/6/525/2010/cp-6-525-2010.pdf
Hey Pumpernickel, did you see the question mark at the end of my remark? Do you know what that means?
So now solar is important? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Carbon14_with_activity_labels.svg
Come on, the science is settled on the sun it always puts out the same output and no other variable matters according to the church of climate change
Again, Steve, if you keep posting the same thing, your readers have the right to keep posting the same comment.
Hey Chris, any comments on why Michael Mann says that El Nino frequency is at a 500 year low?
All I know is what he said in his 2000 paper: That a multiproxy reconstruction of ENSO (plus instrumental data beginning with the 20th century) appears to show a decreasing frequency leading up to the present, with some evidence that the trend is beginning to reverse itself over the last few decades. (His data only goes back about 350 years, by the way, not 500.)
He’s not the only scientist who says this sort of thing, by the way:
(Moy at al 2002)
If you think Georgia, Tennessee and Pennsylvania are the same place, you might want to retake your second grade geography class.
Oh, for Pete’s sake, don’t be coy. It’s the same post highlighting local trends in various places. It’s completely valid to respond to each of these pointing out that local trends still don’t disprove AGW.
If you’re going to repetitively point out local trends, trying to stop people from repetitively pointing out that they’re irrelevant would be straightforward censorship. You’re saying, “I can say this, but you can’t rebut.”
If you are clueless enough to believe that different geographic locations separated by 1,000 miles are the same place, then I understand why you believe what you believe. Even Hansen isn’t ridiculous enough to extrapolate that far.
Steve, if you think that’s what ChrisD means then you’re dumber than I previously thought.
If you are clueless enough to believe that different geographic locations separated by 1,000 miles are the same place
To quote from that immortal work, Lilly’s Purple Plastic Purse: “Wow. That’s about all I can say, wow!”
Do you seriously believe that that is what I meant? Really?
Words are all we have here.
Steve says: “[Anyone who thinks that a 110 year lack of warming across an entire state is a “local trend” – has their thinking cap on crooked]”
Your state represents only a tiny percentage of the Earth’s surface.
The global temperature trend looks like this.
Which would you consider more “local”?
The Arctic represents a small area of the earth’s surface, and Hansen has almost no data there.
Yet he uses his made up numbers to justify the GISS deviation from HadCrut RSS and UAH over the past decade. The same GISS data which you cling to religiously.
Why aren’t you bashing Hansen? The Georgia data is good data. Your bias wreaks to high heaven.
Look at my posts, I’m using HadCrut not GISS data.
As for the deviation, that depends on what time frame you look at.
1980 -> 2000, GISS shows less warming
2000 -> Now – GISS shows more warming
on the balance …
1980 -> Now – the same
What about this one, what happened with all that warming starting in 1900? You got a CO2 chart to plot next to it?
http://woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/mean:132
The early 1900’s saw a big increase in solar forcing.
CO2 isn’t the only force you know. 😉
Looks like it’s all quiet now….
No explanation how the area around Moscow has temperature records back to 1010
No explanation why El Nino frequency is at record lows? (verified by Michael Mann)
http://www.clim-past.net/6/525/2010/cp-6-525-2010.pdf
Maybe check a climbing magazine, the IPCC uses this to make scientific arguments?