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and this is a very advanced old culture……
Why are these people not considered savages?
Steven – there’s millions of “them Muslims”. Guess what…some are truly stupid. An enormous majority, they aren’t. What are we going to do about it?
How about…what are you going to do about people that believe that all Americans are evil, because they’ve heard of some evil Americans?
I come originally from Calabria, an area in Italy that is also home to a particularly nasty form of Mafia. Guess what…where there’s thousands and thousands of people from Calabria, there’s also those from the Mafia. What am I supposed to do about that minute minority?
I hadn’t noticed any Americans or Italians trying to blow up the tubes.
or cutting people’s heads off
or stoning them to death
or killing their daughters
savages………
Not the tubes, but Wall St and lots of other places, esp. at the beginning of the XX century. Just look at the archives of the New York Times đ
Steve I have a gift for you.
http://americanhistory.si.edu/brown/history/1-segregated/detail/kkk-robe.html
It fits well methinks…
thereâs millions of âthem Muslimsâ…..
You act like these are individual people.
Like someone robbed a bank.
This is a religion, a culture if you want to call it that.
A religion that says they have to kill their daughter…
There’s no such a thing as a single “Muslim culture”. If people shoot at abortion doctors in the name of “Christianity”, it doesn’t mean the Pope should be declared guilty.
This isn’t something abstract for me. I was riding the tubes on 7/21/2005. My business partner was a block away from the train station in Madrid.
I was meters from the Cannon St entrance to the Tube on that day (they closed it in front of me), and nowadays regularly ride the Circle Line to Aldgate
Sorry…I was referring to the actual day of 7/7, not 7/21.
Fortunately, our DHS has come up with a profoundly great way to screen for possible foreign evil doers to gain entry to the U.S……………..simply assume the citizenry are the problem and not people from afar.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/16/trusted-traveler-program-lets-mexicans-skip-some-airport-security-checkpoints/
And btw…if that was a traditional “Muslim” family, and the father and brother inspired to attempted murder by religious feelings, what was the daughter doing playing a secondary but highly-visible character in a major movie production in the first place?? I wonder if there’s more to this story.
Agreed, it doesn’t work. In my mind, anyway.
Omnologos, I understand your point. But, I think its misleading to draw a parallel to mafia actions with extremist jihad actions and I’m pretty sure you can see several differences if you desired to do so. Covert to overt actions, motivations, statements to the specifics vs random, etc…..
Also, the same with the murderer that killed the doctor in Wichita. I don’t know what his motivations were, but I doubt they were based in religious views. I’m not Catholic, so perhaps the doctrine has changed, but church is sacrosanct. While it isn’t explicitly stated in most protestant faiths, the same thought is prevalent. Violence in a house of worship isn’t accepted. It is refuge. It is redemption. It is peace. Anyone that was so religiously convicted as to cause violence towards that man would have waited for his exit from the church. But it is interesting that you would draw that parallel. I would like to illustrate a difference. As you noted, there are millions of Muslims that are not violently pursuing some ideal theological state. Just as there are millions of anti-abortionists not violently pursuing some ideal theocracy here. Here’s the difference. When murders like the one in Wichita happen or a bombing of an abortion clinic (years apart), the first ones to vehemently condemn the murder are anti-abortionists. While I don’t share their same convictions regarding abortion, I can speak with first hand knowledge. When events such as thwarting of jihad bombings occur, what do we hear? Crickets chirping.
You’re all over the place with this.
No religion requires that doctors get shot, or that anyone join the mafia.
Burying women and stoning them, killing their daughters, etc etc are Sharia “law”.
Sharia “law” requires that these things are done.
This father, knowing he would go to prison, was still required by Sharia law to kill his daughter.
Latitude – “Sharia” law is a much more complex subject than usually presented via newspapers. It isn’t too different from the US practice of letting Justices interpret the practice of the Constitution…only thing, imagine if there were different versions of the Constitution where to choose from…
For the time being suffice it to say that there isn’t anything inherently “Sharia”-compliant in killing one’s daughter. Actually, any action like that, if decided by the father/brother without consultation with the recognized religious guides, it’s definitely contrary to “Sharia”.
For millennia, Christians have been telling each other about “Thou shalt not kill” whilst happily killing each other. It’s the same thing, really.
“For millennia, Christians have been telling each other about âThou shalt not killâ whilst happily killing each other. Itâs the same thing, really.”
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You seem to be creating every kind of strawman you can.
I’m sorry, but killing people because of books or articles they write, killing people because of cartoons, killing thousands of innocent people ON PURPOSE, targeting innocent people ON PURPOSE
You may think you can justify that as civilized, I don’t.
These are the kinds of things that animals do, savages…
and they do actually do it happy
Omnologos Said:
“Actually, any action like that, if decided by the father/brother without consultation with the recognized religious guides, itâs definitely contrary to âShariaâ.”
So, recognized religious guides can give them the o.k. to kill her. I don’t remember learning who could give me the o.k. if I needed to protect my family’s honor by killing someone in my church. We were taught killing someone was a sin.
Looks like Enoch wasn’t too far out with his words. OK, he was totally mistaken about the ethnicity of the blood-letters but his understanding that irreconcilable cultural differences would lead to mindless violence was, sadly, spot on.
The difference between what he thought would happen and what is happening is that, in the former, both sides came to a mutual understanding and agreement.
Inflexible religious ideology takes no prisoners. Softly, softly approaches that has worked in the past is worse than useless against dogmatic and adamant zealotry.
Weakness, of response, will not staunch the flow but exacerbate it.
Sadly, many will be sacrificed on the PC altar before the political establishment comes to its senses.
Alas, but as always with the terminally indecisive navel-gazers, too little and too late.
Having said that, however, the Red and Grey Squirrels seem to be getting on together pretty well.
There was anti-Chinese sentiment in the 1880’s in the USA, and even a bill proposed (passed?) to keep their immigration in check. I guess every epoch has its climate chicken littles, just like every epoch has its Enoch Powells.
There is nothing PC in pointing out how generation after generation of people considered wholly-incompatible with the host society have ended up as part of that same society.
There’s one thing I don’t understand though. Why are there so many relatively-new fathers among the “martyrs”?
Paraphrasing Sting, I hope the jihadists love their children too…
Paraphrasizing Golda Meir – I wished they loved their children more than they hated…….
Latest Terror Threat in US Aimed to Poison Food
Exclusive: The Dept. of Homeland Security Uncovered a Plot to Attack Hotels and Restaurants Over a Single Weekend
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/12/20/eveningnews/main7169266.shtml
He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.
Genesis 16:12
Indeed. Funny the truth in that through the ages, though there was all that time to prove it wrong.
omnologos says:
it doesnât mean the Pope should be declared guilty.
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The Pope doesn’t go around issuing a fatwa to kill people
omnologos says:
For millennia, Christians have been telling each other about âThou shalt not killâ whilst happily killing each other. Itâs the same thing, really
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Really?
You can’t say that without using the “past tense”,
Everything I’ve said, I’ve used the “present tense”
Fatwa’s, stoning women, honor killing, targeting innocent people, beheadings, using children as suicide bombers, you name it………..all in the “present tense”.
Here’s a present tense for you.
In today’s world, these a backward, fourth world, animals, savages………….
omnologos says:
it doesnât mean the Pope should be declared guilty.
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and one more thing
No Catholic woman has ever been beaten to death or put in prison and tortured for not wearing a cross…