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So, you acknowledge the melting tundra and are not saying it is not cooling? There goes all of your Arctic cooling stories.
That was 60 years ago Homer.
No fair! That was before the (truncated) satellite era!
Yea, but you still used a warming anecdote from the past to counter a warming story in the Arctic today.
Avery the point is chicken littles cried wolf 60 years ago and then it got really cold and other chicken littles called for a coming ice age.
And it was not even melting then apparently Homer
“By the 1950s the community had developed and grown to over 1,600 people. However, the Peel Channel was subject to flooding, and the river banks were being washed away. Due to the flooding, the Federal Government built a new community at what is now Inuvik, with the intention of closing Aklavik”
So it was nothing to do with permafrost melting.
Mind you, newspapers always get it right …..
Andy
What are you babbling about now?
see below
You quoted a clip from an OZ newspaper about Canada local conditions in 1954 and presume it is correct.
Here’s a clue, it wasn’t.
ROFL
Also, how far away from Canada is Western Australia where this reporter was? I’m guessing they didn’t have a reporter on the ground considering it was 1954 and most people were taking a few weeks on a boat to get there. Plus car. Plus er snow shoes.
So this is at least 3rd hand reporting.
And fourth hand reporting now. This is why trawling old newspaper clippings is hardly scientific and just dumbs down this site for REAL SCIENCE.
Andy
Same argument made by Holocaust deniers.
I guess you never heard of news wire services. Canadian reporter story in all probability that was picked up by one of the wire services.
From an American newspaper —
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1842&dat=19540620&id=HCYsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hp4FAAAAIBAJ&pg=4393,8167121
I believe that it is the heat from the buildings that melts the permafrost, thereby making the buildings unstable. CAGW is not the cause.
http://sustainable.cchrc-research.org/2009/06/building-on-permafrost-requires-extra-care/
Agreed. Not just heat, but pressure from the weight of the buildings also contributes to melting.
Put pliers in the freezer. Also freeze ice. Take out the frozen pliers and ice. Wear insulated gloves Squeeze the ice gently with the frozen pliers and watch a melt layer appear.
That sounds suspiciously like science to me. 🙂
I think we are talking about MUD here. Mud Season, a recognized 5th annual season in many regions.
Indeed Paul … it is obvious some folks never read / studied about the active layer in regions with permafrost and therefore they assume that permafrost is / was always frozen top to bottom even in summer.