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Another English major with disdain for those who know and understand calculus…
In Oz we have a lefty palaeontologist and his mates telling us that “there is no pause” and the missing heat hiding in the ocean. Yeah. Right.
http://www.climatecouncil.org.au/the-pause-in-warming-myth-debunked
Carbon Tax has gone. RET scheme – going, going……..
My life as a communist
By Bill McKibben
My life as a communist actually began without me knowing it, on Friday evening, when Glenn Beck spent his program explaining about a “communistic” conspiracy that included 10 groups in America. One was 350.org, a global campaign to fight climate change that I helped found three years ago. He even put our logo up on his whiteboard – and next to it a hammer and sickle.
Since I don’t actually watch Mr. Beck, I didn’t know about it until e-mails began to arrive, informing me that indeed I was a communist. My first reaction was: I’m not a communist. I’m a Methodist……….
“No attempt to hide” is right.
TO CHANGE EVERYTHING…
Yeah, but it’s not like he was hiding it that hard before. Any of them, really. It’s fast becoming more like Europe where Socialist and Communist is just a political designation, not a disqualifier.
What about NOAAs measurements of ocean heat content? They show it continuing to rise. Is this the case or is something cooked? http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/OC5/3M_HEAT_CONTENT/
The numbers are “cooked”. Cold means hot, and hot means cold. None of their nonsense should be taken seriously!
Exactly. The boy has cried wolf way too many times to pay attention to his cries anymore. Ignore them, please.
This is a cool video on how hot water and cold water react. It must be the sunlight that is heating the oceans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN7E6FCuMbY&feature=youtu.be
Warming of the oceans is cyclical by nature. When the AMO flips in a few years the trend will reverse. Also note that cycles between the Atlantic and pacific are not always in sync. Hurricanes are also very effective in removing heat, but weather patterns sometimes does not allow for formation of hurricanes. But sooner or later nature wins, and the reversal of wind and ocean patterns change as it has always done. The warmest ocean ever talk, only means warmest during the satellite era. Ships records from pre satellite era reveal much warmer ocean temperatures even in the past. Currently, Antarctic sea ice is at record level, and the arctic ice is at an eight year high. The ocean in the southern oceans have cooled a tad in the last 30 years, and increasing ice in the arctic May signal a change in the northern oceans.
But even if so, proves nothing as to the cause of such heat rise. The oceans have warmed and cooled in the past.
Hey norilsk! You say: “What about NOAAs measurements of ocean heat content?”
The “global warming is hiding in the ocean” meme is one of the best (at least as far as propaganda goes)! Look at the chart you linked to. Notice that it is NOT showing temperature; instead it is showing joules. Isn’t that odd? Don’t you wonder WHY they would show joules instead of degrees Celsius? After all, who has a real gut-level feel for how big a joule is? And that number — 10^22! Wow! that is a BIG number! Sounds impressive. Look at chart 2, Global Ocean Heat Content down to 2000 meters. In the last half century the charts says that we have gained approximately 24X10^22 joules. Again, ocean heat is estimated based on temperature changes; we do not measure heat directly with a heat-ometer. We measure temperatures with a thermometer and then back-calculate how much heat has changed. Why on earth do they show joules instead of degrees? Let’s do a little math… and yes, this is a rough estimate, but when you see the answer, you will realize that a bit of error will not make much difference. The area of the world’s
oceans is about 3.8 X 10^8 km^2, and we are looking down to 2 km deep, so the volume is 7.6 X 10^8 km^3, which is the same as 7.6 X 10^23 cm^3. One joule can warm one cm^3 of water by one degree, so how much warming of the ocean have we had in the last half century? A little less than 8/100ths of a degree. Do you see now why they do not show the chart in degrees? 8/100th of a degree over a half century is not scarey at all — but 24X10^22 joules! Wow! Scarey!
More to the point, does any reasonable person really believe that we know what the average temperature of the Earth’s oceans was a half century ago? And that we knew it to hundredths of a degree? A more realistic estimate would be that maybe we knew it to a degree or two. Try measuring a beaker of water in a laboratory to a hundredth of a degree; you are going to have a very hard time of it. Now imagine doing that same measurement fro the entire world ocean. It is only in the last ten years or so that we have had even a rough knowledge of what world wide ocean depth temperatures are. Even with today’s MUCH, MUCH better coverage, we still have embarrassingly scant coverage. I am too lazy to do the number again, but a year or two ago I estimated that if you divided the oceans up into chunks roughly the size of all the Great Lakes combined, that current measuring systems would work out to about one measurement per chunk per year.
When the CAGW warmongers tell you that they have found the global warming heat hiding in the oceans, they are so far off the truth that I cannot even give their character the benefit of a doubt. They are liars. If they tell you they are not, ask them why they talk about joules instead of degrees. They are only trying to scare you — and the truth is, no one knows whether the oceans have warmed or cooled over the last half century.
Sorry, typo on my part. One joule warms one cm^2 by 1/4 of a degree, not by one degree.
My apologies, I am multitasking at the moment and I did not even correct my own typo correctly. Ahem! “One joule warms one cm^3 of water by 1/4 of a degree.” The .08 degree of warming is (so they tell us according to their own numbers) correct.
Jason for a giggle http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2014-06-27/
Hwy stewart! In my opinion, Dilbert is one of the best documentaries available these days. 🙂
Seriously, working in corporate America, I have seen management make decisions that would make Dilbert’s pointy-haired boss look like Socrates in comparison. I wish I were joking…
No, they don’t show it rising in the latest Apr-Jun graph. It dropped 2 X 10^22 joules since the previous Jan-Mar for 0-700 m, and the 0-2000 m seems to have dropped a fraction, hard to see at the top of the graph, but if they were cooking, it would be going up.
NOAA has been busted manipulating Temperature data and Tide Gage Data… in my view they’ve just moved on to something else here.. “ocean heat”… throw out the allegation and now Skeptics are on the defensive again, we have to do all this research to show the gaps, lies and data manipulation all over again with regards to “ocean heat”…
The IPCC admitted a 17 year ‘pause’ in warming .. so do you really believe that all this time the Oceans were able to warm whereas somehow the Air didn’t .??? Seems preposterous on its face…
I’m tired of reading about ‘bad science’ and all these assumptions thrown into their computer models… always ‘cooling the past while warming the present’…
Nice to see McKibben has come out of the closet and admitted he is a Willing Accomplice.
Willing Accomplices: How KGB Covert Influence Agents Created Political Correctness and Destroyed America by Kent Clizbe
It is interesting that they just caught another bunch in June of 2010. Vicky Pelaez was a Spanish-language journalist.
More on Soviet spies in the USA Ex-KGB general: Soviet sleeper agents were tasked with blowing up DC power grid; poisoning water supply
The Canadian Liberal leader, Justin Trudeau, is a communist. While speaking to a women’s group he was asked, What is your favourite government? He answered, The communist dictatorship of China. He went on to explain how effectively they get things done like installing wind turbines and solar panels.
They also remove opposing views (skeptics) effectively.
Yep, they sure do…
Minimize, ostracize, shame them publicly.. and eventually kill them in Communist Society..
I think little Trudeau is too confused to know what he is … unlike his father he is drifting and going with the flow and will say what ever comes to mind playing to the libtards of Canada … in this case wind and solar caught his fancy … oh look a squirrel.
The Trudeaus are pals of Maurice, I haven’t met a Commie I didn’t Like, Strong. Strong is now hiding out in Beijing after being caught with his hand in the Oil for Food Cookie Jar.
Gail ‘ve never read of a link to the Trudeau’s and Strong … where did u get it?
I remembered this bit from looking at Maurice Strong a long time ago (different link)
In 1976, at the request of Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau, Strong returned to Canada to head the newly created national oil company, Petro-Canada[3]. He then became Chairman of the Canada Development Investment Corporation, the holding company for some of Canada?s principal government-owned corporations.
I’ve been to the PRC quite a bit (mostly Shanghai), and I don’t see them actually using so-called renewables much. I also don’t see them doing much in the way of emission controls for actual pollutants much certainly not up to western or Canadian standards.
Lax pollution standards plus slave labor wages is why the international corporations like GE relocated to the Far East.
Clinton’s pushing through ratification of the World Trade Organization made sure that import tariffs could not be used to level the playing field and protect US workers. Then Clinton worked long and hard to make sure China was admitted to the WTO.
How ever the worst bit of Clinton’s betrayal was handing China US technology so we lost that edge too.
2011 International Business Times – STUDY: 2.8 Million Jobs Lost since China joined the WTO China entered the World Trade Organization in 2001.
Infiltrating Communists? The liberal leaches put one in the White House and he appointed and hired thousands more to senior positions in government. The really bad news is that dozens more are on the federal bench.
This is a video of MR. Trudeau and his China mark. At least part of it. And his denial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XvqDN7-nDI
I wonder if he has a copy of Mao’s little red book. 90 million people murder is just great, and yes Hitler was so evil with only 6 million. Hitler was small time, but the media would make you think he was the biggest monster of all time. Then Pol Pot murdered 12 million. I can see their eyes twinkling at the thought of so many people dying, all for the sake of feeling like we should go back to the time of no rights and no democracy. What’s happening here is exactly why we have a democracy with freedoms. I look at the results, I look at the predictions, I look at the science that IPCC has put out, I look at the apparent contradictions, I look at the failures, and still they keeping promising someday soon it’ll get hot. It probably will if the solar cycle ramps up and el Niño kick in at the same time. I wonder how much that affects their math since ALL of the current rise due at the time of 1998 was all co2? Since then we’ve had a 13 % rise in co2, If the rise linear, should the amount of heat retained should be linear too. The IPCC chart says so. The have no apparent way for the heat to be sinking in the ocean in such massive amounts over the last, between, take your pick, 10 to 18 years.
I don’t know if anybody reads the other warmest boards. I generally don’t comment there. The latest one has el Nino and the solar cycle making the temperature spiking by 150%. Naturally skeptics are the most evil group of people on the planet because we just aren’t buying it. Sometime around a 2006/ 2007 I dropped out of this debate although because it really looked liked a losing battle until I got an email telling to look at the solar cycle.. it went quite. It went quite and wasn’t expected. They think that the solar cycle is going to spike and we are going to have a very strong el Nino. We’re half way through the solar cycle that is running about half of what it was. What I think is that we may see either no el Nino or a weak one. And if the sun spot activity goes dead again. It won’t be global warming I’ll be worried about. All the predictions about droughts, fires, flooding, unusually weather also occurs when the temperature drops as well. Somebody has to know a lot more about this than me. I wonder what the real agenda is when they are trying so hard to make us believe that unprecedented warming is always just about to happen. What I think their real agenda is to have a perfect storm of colder weather and very high prices for fuel. I have about 3 years when it will really start to hurt people big time. Last winter propane, for most rural people that use it, was $5/gal. Taking bets on who thinks the price of price of propane will go down this winter? I’m sure it’s strapping a lot of budgets. Next year the slow creep of people having to borrow money to pay for the heat will increase, and at some point people will start either start moving or dying. I think they want them to die. I travel around quite a bit, and I am looking at the price of fuel to go somewhere. I am looking at alternate ways of getting there. I do miss actually looking at something that AGW puts out like a file photo of a dry reservoir when it is filled and spilling. (proof of the drought and it is only going to get worse due of course to AGW) They must think that we still live in a time when information is slow and not easy to verify or have no way of knowing. I think the AGW people are crazy. ( in a sick, bad way)
CAGW has always been political. As former Director-General of the World Trade Organization, pascal Lamy said:
If you follow the scientific discoveries from that time period, especially Shackleton, Imbrie and Hays validation of the Milancovitch cycles using deep sea cores in the 1970s, you can see a shift in political focus from manufacturing and economic growth to gaining control of the population although that goal has been around for over one hundred years.
To give you a feel for just how close to glaciation we are you can look at the calculations from NOAA:
Holocene peak insolation: 522.5 Wm-2
NOW (modern Warm Period) 476 Wm-2
Depth of the last ice age – around 463 Wm?2
A fall 2012 paper Can we predict the duration of an interglacial? gives the calculated solar insolation values of several glacial inceptions:
Current value – insolation = 479W m?2 (from that paper)
MIS 7e – insolation = 463 W m?2,
MIS 11c – insolation = 466 W m?2,
MIS 13a – insolation = 500 W m?2,
MIS 15a – insolation = 480 W m?2,
MIS 17 – insolation = 477 W m?2
The Holocene interglacial is now 11,717 years old….. That’s two centuries or so beyond half the present precession cycle (or 23,000/2=11,500). Only one interglacial , MIS-11, since the Mid-Pleistocene Transition has lasted longer than about half a precession cycle.
Any hope that the Holocene would go long was shot down by Lisiecki and Raymo in 2005 in their rebuttal of Loutre and Berger, 2003. No one since has disputed that paper.
The Sea level High Stand was thousands of years ago and the earth is now cooling off in the last stages of the Holocene.
The Holocene sea level Highstand was also ~ 1.5 meter above todays sea-level 6,000 years ago in geologically stable South Vietnam.
This sea level evidence is backed up by the paper, Temperature and precipitation history of the Arctic It says: “Solar energy reached a summer maximum (9% higher than at present) ~11 ka ago and has been decreasing since then, primarily in response to the precession of the equinoxes. The extra energy elevated early Holocene summer temperatures throughout the Arctic 1-3°C above 20th century averages, enough to completely melt many small glaciers throughout the Arctic, although the Greenland Ice Sheet was only slightly smaller than at present.”
Another, more recent study in Norway agrees:
A new approach for reconstructing glacier variability based on lake sediments recording input from more than one glacier January 2012
A straight forward comment by William McClenney a geologist on the subject of the termination of the Holocene:
http://www.cejournal.net/?p=3305#comment-7191
The above comment is shorter and more straight forward then the posts made by William McClenney at WUWT.
The alternate theory to CAGW: The Antithesis
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/30/the-antithesis/
New Geologic evidence of very very quick climate changes.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/05/on-“trap-speed-acc-and-the-snr/
The End Holocene, or How to Make Out Like a ‘Madoff’ Climate Change Insurer: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/16/the-end-holocene-or-how-to-make-out-like-a-madoff-climate-change-insurer/
Discussion of the fall 2012 paper Can We Predict the Duration of an Interglacial.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/02/can-we-predict-the-duration-of-an-interglacial/
If we are looking at termination of the Holocene or even another Little Ice Age, do you think the elite would want us to know so we can prepare? Or would they want all the marbles…..
Na, they won’t let us know that we’re entering an ice age because by the time they figure it out we’ll already know I’m pretty sure. How can they predict an ice age coming when they can’t predict with reasonable accuracy the intensity of a solar cycle?
RAH, there were those who did predict a quiet solar cycle 24 years before it happened. They were just shouted down by the the Alarmists.
This interglacial period is very long in the tooth and is fading. The Eco Loonies fear a degree of temp increase but are clueless about what an Ice Age means for humanity.
The most recent studies killed any hope that the Holocene would go long (double precession) so the only questions now are when will the earth get kicked into glaciation and what will cause the transition.
Dr. Robert Brown (physicist) of Duke University in answer to one of my points @ WUWT on ‘Strange Attractors’
Gail, great comments there from rgbatduke. I have been messing about (strictly as an amateur) with chaotic systems and fractal structures since the early 1990s — and Dr. Brown says almost exactly what my own gut feelings are. While all observations point to a broad bi-stable system, the dimensionality of that system is still very much an unknown — and I suspect it may be higher than we think.
It seems pretty obvious that the Sun and Earth’s changing orbit in relation to the Sun are what reduce the amount of energy reaching Earth.. thus various warm/cold periods.
A “Maximum” Solar minimum combined with the Earth being further away is cyclical… would easily cause massive glaciation…
This CO2 stuff is utter garbage..
Jason Calley,
The different solar insolations for different glacial inceptions I listed in this comment indicates a bi-stable climate that needs a bunch of different factors all lined up to push the climate into a different stable state once the ball park solar insolation level is reached. (The earth is in that ball park now.)
The wide swings of the Dansgaard-Oeschger oscillations during glaciation vs the small swings of the Bond Events during interglacials, also point to a bistable climate with a ‘ceiling’ for maximum ‘Warming’ (So CAGW is a red herring and any scientist who did any research should know it.)
There is also the recent discovery of “Abrupt Climate Change” by Dr Alley et al who found the change from the Wisconsin Ice Age to the Holocene occurred within three years. One Geologist said “… what is really true about climate is that there are some amazing unknowns, such as what can rocket global temps up +20C, +16C and +8-+10C in dramatically short times. Dansgaard-Oeschger oscillations and terminations are the many 800 pound gorillas in the climate change room. And we do not yet know what causes them. ….”
I find it highly suspicious that give these rather obvious facts and given the 1970s global cooling scare, that there is no real effort being made to identify the factors need to push the earth into glaciation and that politicians, under the leadership of the UN are doing everything possible to make matters as difficult as possible for the ‘Great Unwashed’ to survive.
Thank you so much for that information. I can’t read everything. I calculated on a colder world using different criteria. This seems to be better. … They want all the marbles. I’m moving next door to AL. I’ve questioned his reasoning for moving to a place where he knows from AGW theory that it will be under water in few years…
I’m sure the current insolation is shaping my thoughts.
Katharine Hayhoe is taking her new “religion” to Boulder this Friday. It seems the Gore effect will be in play with forecasted temps 6 or 7 F below normal. http://events.chron.com/boulder_co/events/show/371309598-katharine-hayhoe-climate-change-with-mind-heart
It is a chilly morning. Fall in the air.
The various weather models are showing an awful lot of cold air around for early September. Am already getting a bad feeling about this upcoming winter.
With luck, enough coal plants have been shut down and the weather is nasty enough that the Eastern seaboard has a lot of of brown-outs and black-outs ESPECIALLY in Washington DC
I think only a heck of a lot of cold
waterweather is going to wake people up and with luck it will be just before election.Yep, let it be COLD…
I’d like to see the electricity go out as well… until it does, folks just won’t pay attention.. when/if it does, there will be mass outcry and a demand for action..
Even computer gaming isn’t safe.
Adam Baldwin is getting trolled by the pc-police due to a “Gamer War” involving left-wing agitprop rags and feminazis. REALLY WEIRD. AND REALLY HARDCORE AGITPROP.
https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin
http://www.themarysue.com/video-game-harassment-zoe-quinn-anita-sarkeesian/
http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/2f6sey/indiefensible_the_maya_legobutts_kramer_story_v2/
Both great YouTube Channels to follow along the narrative:
https://www.youtube.com/user/Thunderf00t
https://www.youtube.com/user/InternetAristocrat
Sorry for spammy link dump but it does seem this is a very real propaganda operation. Comic Books and PC Gaming have been under attack by “cultural embeds” for a few years now and it seems it’s about to explode.
Ironically, “communism” as such isn’t the problem (neither is “capitalism”). The problem, as always, is Joe trying to force Jim to live according to Joe’s way of thinking. Anarchy, otoh, is not “let’s blow everything up!” but “you leave me in peace and I leave you in peace”. Oh, and “and when we disagree, we look for unique, individual solutions — we look for what is appropriate to unique-you and unique-me — rather than trying to socially-program solutions for everybody for all time”.
Another thing to consider: just as the 1970s-1990s warming was most likely natural (with a trace of human contribution), we must also consider that, all the problems caused by our “rulers” or “leaders” or other people seen as being “in power” notwithstanding, some at least of our problems must be “natural”. I don’t deliberately make a messy, flea-ridden house, but I may get one out of my natural inclination to go home after work and read blogs instead of keep house, kind of thing. A belief in the need for governors and government to take care of us, to keep us out of trouble — that’s certainly a contributing factor. What can people, elected or appointed to high office, do BUT serve their own interests? Why expect them to do otherwise?
Honor and love of Country have been greatly diminished… throw in a ton of money and lack of accountability … we end up with what we have now.
.. unaccountable political ruling class..
Bloomberg headline:
Coal’s Share of World Energy Demand at Highest Since 1970
Just shows that the only thing that countries, like Germany, dupes people and only accomplishment was making electric rates 60% higher than U.S. Green is, no doubt, pure communism and they could could not care less about efficiency. Control energy and you control everything and everybody and that has been the goal for decades. Why is the question. Why do people have this drive to control others rather than just living their life?
Obama is now is coming for your toaster and all household appliances just like the EU. Why does the govt, the biggest energy hog and waster, concerned about the electric usuage of appliances? They now have made it such that Consumer Reports lists ZERO washing machines as excellent, where many were before. Everything they do has the opposite effect from lo-flo toilets to shower heads. Btw, its easy to remove the little plastic piece that restricts the shower head flow.
Tyrants didn’t go away, they just changed their M.O. to something more palapable, energy control via global warming.
Yep… Tyrants through energy… and money…
Do not forget food. 80% of the world’s food supply is controlled by 10 international Corporations. (and that was back 15 years ago!)
“Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy can control whole continents; who controls money can control the world.” ~ Henry Kissinger, 1973. The year after the UN first Earth Summit.
McKibben is worse than a useful idiot. He sincerely tried to convince the sheeple that global warming melted acrylic street lamp globes (with a melting point of over 300 degree F). This is no joke. He knowingly & intentionally lied to further his agenda:
http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/02/dumpster-fire-not-global-warming-melted-oklahoma-streetlamps/
Because McKibben truly believes the end justifies the means and will do or say anything to deceive others, his credibility is ZERO. He should NEVER be trusted or taken seriously again.
Again?
He always was slime…
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